[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[schnötzel]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

[Touque]

Noob Question:
What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

The simple answer is yes.

[utopianfuture]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

secure message = encrypted message. I think the encryption will be optional. It should be kept in mind that sending NEM secure messages are costly (to avoid blockchain spam), so it is more oriented toward keeping important document, texts securely on the blockchain.

[Djentriser]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

secure message = encrypted message. I think the encryption will be optional. It should be kept in mind that sending NEM secure messages are costly (to avoid blockchain spam), so it is more oriented toward keeping important document, texts securely on the blockchain.

Will there be fee on sending message and how much? I heard that in NXT two people can just ping pong 1 NXT with message, when they have communication. Did I misunderstood?

P.S. I hoped I can have chat with other Nemsters without CIA, NSA, etc.

[utopianfuture]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

secure message = encrypted message. I think the encryption will be optional. It should be kept in mind that sending NEM secure messages are costly (to avoid blockchain spam), so it is more oriented toward keeping important document, texts securely on the blockchain.

Will there be fee on sending message and how much? I heard that in NXT two people can just ping pong 1 NXT with message, when they have communication. Did I misunderstood?

P.S. I hoped I can have chat with other Nemsters without CIA, NSA, etc.

If that is true the the size of NXT blockchain will get pass Bitcoin one in maybe 3 months. Let's think about 100 pair of of botnet computer ping pong each other maximum messages all night long. Don't let desire overwhelm reason.

[schnötzel]

I think that´s not possible - fee is 1NXT (or 0,1 - don´t know) - isn´t it?

I told my brother about crypto and the response was like  
But when i said "maybe secure messaging" it was like  




ps: How secure is secure?

[nightwishx]

The wait was not long.

[Eadeqa]

ps: How secure is secure?

It would be just as secure as the "weakest" point. In  this this case,  it can't be more secure than public/private key EC cryptography.  Someone is developing Nxt mobile app for encrypted messages

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-mobile-app-co/nxt-mobile-applications-company/

[utopianfuture]

Announcement: On behalf of NEM dev. team I would like to invite qualified candidates to apply for the position of marketing manager for NEM.

Qualifications:
- experiences with crypto currency communities.
- familiarity with marketing strategies of different crypo promoting group including Bitcoin, Doge, Blackcoin, Peercoin, NXT.
- good at English writing for promotional materials.

Requirements:    
- can spend at least 20 hours per week on NEM related promotional tasks.
- can volunteer for NEM related works.
- being a NEM stakeholder is preferable (not necessarily one right now but should be one over the long-term).
- can formulate a long term strategy as well as individual promotional projects for NEM.

Benefit:
- This is not a temporary hire but you will be a member of NEM development team (while we can pay for specific tasks) and can benefit as such. You will work in association with me as well as other NEM core developers in our many future endeavors.

Please send me a P.M describing your relevant experiences and I will contact you for further interviews. This is a very important position for NEM, so I expect the selection process will take sometimes but hopefully we will have the position filled before NEM alpha release.

Please spread it as far as possible where you see fit

[gimre]

I think that´s not possible - fee is 1NXT (or 0,1 - don´t know) - isn´t it?

I told my brother about crypto and the response was like  
But when i said "maybe secure messaging" it was like  

ps: How secure is secure?

Encryption is based on IES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Encryption_Scheme), common key is established using ECDH,
EC priv/pub key are ~256 bits.

(As you might know underlying problem is ECDLP, most (publicly known) breaks were done using Pollard rho method, biggest so far on 112 bits)

[ShawnLeary]

% that entire foraging discussion %

Let's take a step back and think about what the actual process is.

People are collecting transactions and build blocks to extend the blockchain. This is to secure the network. Most people do it so they can collect the fees.

Now what single word describes this aptly ?


Imho there are 3 possible aspects to go for:

• building of the blockchain: bookkeeping, accounting, reporting, block building, ledger keeping, recording, ...
• collecting fees: fee collecting, encash, levy, ...
• supporting/securing the network: validating, ...

I'm sure people can think of better words I just wanted to outline what should imho be kept in mind.

Building would be an excellent choice.

I would say erecting too, but, naaa

[TauMuon]

I think we're looking too deeply into the meaning of the word. To be honest, the most accurate word to describe what's going on is 'collecting', which could work I suppose.

[swartzfeger]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

secure message = encrypted message. I think the encryption will be optional. It should be kept in mind that sending NEM secure messages are costly (to avoid blockchain spam), so it is more oriented toward keeping important document, texts securely on the blockchain.

Will there be fee on sending message and how much? I heard that in NXT two people can just ping pong 1 NXT with message, when they have communication. Did I misunderstood?

P.S. I hoped I can have chat with other Nemsters without CIA, NSA, etc.

If that is true the the size of NXT blockchain will get pass Bitcoin one in maybe 3 months. Let's think about 100 pair of of botnet computer ping pong each other maximum messages all night long. Don't let desire overwhelm reason.

Nxt will support blockchain pruning. Not sure of ETA, as Asset Exchange and Automated Transactions are coming first.

[utopianfuture]

Noob Question:

What means "secure Messaging" exactly? Can it be used like email/Whats app?

secure message = encrypted message. I think the encryption will be optional. It should be kept in mind that sending NEM secure messages are costly (to avoid blockchain spam), so it is more oriented toward keeping important document, texts securely on the blockchain.

Will there be fee on sending message and how much? I heard that in NXT two people can just ping pong 1 NXT with message, when they have communication. Did I misunderstood?

P.S. I hoped I can have chat with other Nemsters without CIA, NSA, etc.

If that is true the the size of NXT blockchain will get pass Bitcoin one in maybe 3 months. Let's think about 100 pair of of botnet computer ping pong each other maximum messages all night long. Don't let desire overwhelm reason.

Nxt will support blockchain pruning. Not sure of ETA, as Asset Exchange and Automated Transactions are coming first.

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

[TauMuon]

Can I remind anyone who hasn't already it head over to the NEM Subreddit; up vote, comment, post etc. Be friendly!

[swartzfeger]

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

Who said anything can be 'done at will'? That's specious. And how is Bitcoin, an antiquated 1.0 crypto, suddenly the sine qua non of what can and can't be accomplished?

Bitcoin doesn't have the advantage of Nxt or NEM... smaller cryptos can be nimble. We don't have $5+ billion dollars tied to our blockchains (yet!)

We're testing NXTsubatomic crosschain exchanges *today*. NEM and Nxt don't have committees and foundations breathing down our necks. Or miners.

[utopianfuture]

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

Who said anything can be 'done at will'? That's specious. And how is Bitcoin, an antiquated 1.0 crypto, suddenly the sine qua non of what can and can't be accomplished?

Bitcoin doesn't have the advantage of Nxt or NEM... smaller cryptos can be nimble. We don't have $5+ billion dollars tied to our blockchains (yet!)

We're testing NXTsubatomic crosschain exchanges *today*. NEM and Nxt don't have committees and foundations breathing down our necks. Or miners.

Good luck with the "subatomic crosschain".

[TwinWinNerD]

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

This is not totally true. NXT has a good concept around removing everything but the blockchain itself. Transactions, messages and trade logs are stored in a way, that entries older than XXX days can be pruned. There is nothing decided yet, about the rules ect, but it is not so far away as you say.
As for bootstrapping, that is basically ready for BTC. Not sure why you say otherwise. It is not implemented because it is a nontrivial change, that is not needed 100%. That's why!

[swartzfeger]

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

Who said anything can be 'done at will'? That's specious. And how is Bitcoin, an antiquated 1.0 crypto, suddenly the sine qua non of what can and can't be accomplished?

Bitcoin doesn't have the advantage of Nxt or NEM... smaller cryptos can be nimble. We don't have $5+ billion dollars tied to our blockchains (yet!)

We're testing NXTsubatomic crosschain exchanges *today*. NEM and Nxt don't have committees and foundations breathing down our necks. Or miners.

Good luck with the "subatomic crosschain".

No luck needed. We're very close.

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=665.msg11906#msg11906

[utopianfuture]

NXT blockchain pruning does not even have the concept yet. It won't be easy as some claims to be. If blockchain pruning can be done at will, why do bitcoin not have one already ? So I would say do that first before attempting ping pong messaging.

This is not totally true. NXT has a good concept around removing everything but the blockchain itself. Transactions, messages and trade logs are stored in a way, that entries older than XXX days can be pruned. There is nothing decided yet, about the rules ect, but it is not so far away as you say.
As for bootstrapping, that is basically ready for BTC. Not sure why you say otherwise. It is not implemented because it is a nontrivial change, that is not needed 100%. That's why!

Show me the "good concept" or at least show me a quote from Jean-Luc saying so, please? you are obviously on the marketing side so I am supposed "good concept" about blockchain pruning is about as good as "good concept" in NXT 1000 TPS  earlier.