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you are genius snaibrain,genius devil,cheater fuck,you hack my wallet ,cause i can not moving my hunter,move block height arbitrarily(accelerate,slowdown,accelerate,slowdown),This game really makes crazy
congratulations your bot is dominator now the current domintator is MithrilMans bot (afaik). I've not been playing for the last couple of weeks.. i've also not hacked your wallet... - It seems your time as the dominator (1 to 2 years??) has come to an end.. what you should really have done, was, instead of dumping all the coins, was donating a large chunk to the development fund - probably you amassed upwards of 8-10million HUCs but have sold almost all? if you'd have donated say 10% to the development fund ... if not you,maybe your friend or BGB(king of bot), that you may know, I am not alone be the dominator,maybe I only control 30% of the map for all this time, and now perhaps only15%.why you think if we did not Become dominator, no dominator else,and you can see now bot is dominator.so all the games even in real live, the best will always be the dominator, like the United States that became world dominator. if you blame us because there are fewer players, you're wrong, I think it is related to the price of which dropped dramatically .if you want this game a lot of players, HUC prices should rise dramatically or changing this game so interesting to play.not destroying dominator with fraudulently,you rather it increasingly destroys this game.and I've contributed 10000 huc to the development fund previous.only me,i dont know dominator others
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January 19, 2017, 02:52:31 PM Last edit: January 19, 2017, 06:17:22 PM by snailbrain |
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Hi.
Thanks for the reply. May be there are others.. do you work with osya? In any case it's not really any of my business. I just tend to monitor playstyle and who attacks who to assume who is who. And your players seemed to have dominated the map without combat for a long time.
One thing to remember is.. originally, we did not design huntercoin to last this long. The game mechanics were not thought out from the start to be a full on game. We expected to continue updating the client for no more than a year and then to start developing chronokings if we deemed huntercoin a success. Although the game is far from perfect, the concept and it's purpose was/is a success. We expected the game world to be overrun by bots before release (and posted that) as we did not want to waste time and resources without a live run/test.. aka huntercoin experiment. As the dev I was hiring to help with the c++ passed away it restricted the original plan.. we have now supported the project as well as we could with limited resources.. no funding, in our spare time for 3 years..
The unity client should be getting some auto loot feature soon but bot combat may be some time off.
There should also be some more interesting announcement in the not too distant future..
Apologies ive rushed this message from my mobile but I'll check it later.
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January 19, 2017, 06:56:18 PM |
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I'm not sure that invalid moves should be accepted into the blockchain, even if handled, because they violate the consensus rules (game rules). I'm wondering if there are other kind of invalid transactions that could cause bigger troubles
There are some consensus rules against invalid moves, which are actually checked and verified. Invalid paths (or at least some parts of them, running through obstacles) are not part of that, though. This was already so in the earliest versions, and I've simply never changed it. I don't know if it was an oversight or how it came to be. One reason might have been that it is not fully trivial to check an array of waypoints, since you have to replay them and simulate the whole path. Maybe Mikhail thought it too complicated or expensive to do that for every tx for the benefits it has, especially since doing that for unconfirmed transactions could have created DoS vectors. But that's just speculation.
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January 19, 2017, 07:34:22 PM |
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It's not about who dominator, but the fact how the redistribution of power!
The redistribution of power: 1. Who - bots! 2. How - fraud! ----------------------------------------------- 1. Nobody says that robots or other people's bad or it is not convenient! With them even more interesting (not boring), but then they do not play by the rules! 2. As we remember this coin with an emphasis on human-mining, but not in the mining bot coin.
Please everyone had to fight and let's be divided! Current Dominators - because the area is free!
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January 19, 2017, 09:45:57 PM Last edit: January 20, 2017, 08:33:17 AM by snailbrain |
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It's not about who dominator, but the fact how the redistribution of power!
The redistribution of power: 1. Who - bots! 2. How - fraud! ----------------------------------------------- 1. Nobody says that robots or other people's bad or it is not convenient! With them even more interesting (not boring), but then they do not play by the rules! 2. As we remember this coin with an emphasis on human-mining, but not in the mining bot coin.
Please everyone had to fight and let's be divided! Current Dominators - because the area is free!
when you see some fraud, give the exact block height.. and lets look. I still don't believe it but i'm willing to spend the time to look atm, the only bots who are playing, I believe are MMs, Doesn't look like he's took over the whole map.. so he's not dominating atm may be.. was just based on the untidy json we spotted unique to mm client, and now comparing playstyle with current hunters on the map (with that json fixed).. not sure if he was or wasn't denying it, but doesn't matter either way, not blaming or anything, i couldn't care less at the moment who or what.. in fact, it's pretty cool Wiggi has autoloot feature in the better-qt client which is free to download. and i'm pretty sure that none of the above are mining.
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snailbrain (OP)
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January 19, 2017, 10:04:17 PM |
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you are genius snaibrain,genius devil,cheater fuck,you hack my wallet ,cause i can not moving my hunter,move block height arbitrarily(accelerate,slowdown,accelerate,slowdown),This game really makes crazy
congratulations your bot is dominator now the current domintator is MithrilMans bot (afaik). I've not been playing for the last couple of weeks.. i've also not hacked your wallet... - It seems your time as the dominator (1 to 2 years??) has come to an end.. what you should really have done, was, instead of dumping all the coins, was donating a large chunk to the development fund - probably you amassed upwards of 8-10million HUCs but have sold almost all? if you'd have donated say 10% to the development fund ... if not you,maybe your friend or BGB(king of bot), that you may know, I am not alone be the dominator,maybe I only control 30% of the map for all this time, and now perhaps only15%.why you think if we did not Become dominator, no dominator else,and you can see now bot is dominator.so all the games even in real live, the best will always be the dominator, like the United States that became world dominator. if you blame us because there are fewer players, you're wrong, I think it is related to the price of which dropped dramatically .if you want this game a lot of players, HUC prices should rise dramatically or changing this game so interesting to play.not destroying dominator with fraudulently,you rather it increasingly destroys this game.and I've contributed 10000 huc to the development fund previous.only me,i dont know dominator others Just reading through the recent posts again -- I don't think anybody is blaming you for dominating.... i wish i had the time for it.. i did not have the time - in the last 1.5 years ago i had a baby daughter which took up most of my time along with the fiat job
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January 20, 2017, 04:48:40 AM |
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I'm trying to find some real updates here , where are we ? Please throw in , on occasion , some sensical comments for the lazy ones who don't want to go through the entire thread of funny stuff that has to be interpreted/deciphered HUC forever ! Don't worry about the drama Massive news coming soon
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January 20, 2017, 04:53:06 AM |
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I'm trying to find some real updates here , where are we ? Please throw in , on occasion , some sensical comments for the lazy ones who don't want to go through the entire thread of funny stuff that has to be interpreted/deciphered HUC forever ! Don't worry about the drama Massive news coming soon lol yeah..was just looking at some guys fighting in and price dropping, looks like someone wants cheap coins Cant STAMP the HUC HUC to 5000 sats this year
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January 20, 2017, 07:54:44 AM |
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I'm trying to find some real updates here , where are we ? Please throw in , on occasion , some sensical comments for the lazy ones who don't want to go through the entire thread of funny stuff that has to be interpreted/deciphered HUC forever ! Don't worry about the drama Massive news coming soon lol yeah..was just looking at some guys fighting in and price dropping, looks like someone wants cheap coins Cant STAMP the HUC HUC to 5000 sats this year devs. plz stop quarrelling you guys are most respected ones in crypto. you did a great job. we won't blame you guys. even you are running bots.
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January 20, 2017, 05:31:56 PM |
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snailbrain,can you explain why bot can palter block height,this game more disgust...,very crafty.imposible human win from bot if like this
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snailbrain (OP)
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January 20, 2017, 06:14:29 PM Last edit: January 20, 2017, 06:35:18 PM by snailbrain |
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snailbrain,can you explain why bot can palter block height,this game more disgust...,very crafty.imposible human win from bot if like this
They can't. probably what you are experiencing now is blockchain reorganisation. In the past with just 1 miner it hardly ever or rarely happened (could say never but we have 2 algos). As you are now having to concentrate more on combat and probably more miners.. you are noticing it a lot more. The blocks will appear to go back in time then forward.. Might even skip 2 or so blocks. How many connections does it say you have in huntercoin qt?
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January 20, 2017, 10:53:46 PM |
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snailbrain,can you explain why bot can palter block height,this game more disgust...,very crafty.imposible human win from bot if like this
They can't. probably what you are experiencing now is blockchain reorganisation. In the past with just 1 miner it hardly ever or rarely happened (could say never but we have 2 algos). As you are now having to concentrate more on combat and probably more miners.. you are noticing it a lot more. The blocks will appear to go back in time then forward.. Might even skip 2 or so blocks. How many connections does it say you have in huntercoin qt? i dont know,i dont understand,but bot can adapt with this and for human this is too fast
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January 20, 2017, 11:21:44 PM |
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you are genius snaibrain,genius devil,cheater fuck,you hack my wallet ,cause i can not moving my hunter,move block height arbitrarily(accelerate,slowdown,accelerate,slowdown),This game really makes crazy
I have already described the situation today! I think all of us believe blockheads (like you guys are not experienced and all that) He says he feels difficulties with moving his huc due to u being a ladyboy. He should be given a noble prize for that sentence alone, and I will give him the one.
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January 20, 2017, 11:38:38 PM |
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snailbrain,can you explain why bot can palter block height,this game more disgust...,very crafty.imposible human win from bot if like this
They can't. probably what you are experiencing now is blockchain reorganisation. In the past with just 1 miner it hardly ever or rarely happened (could say never but we have 2 algos). As you are now having to concentrate more on combat and probably more miners.. you are noticing it a lot more. The blocks will appear to go back in time then forward.. Might even skip 2 or so blocks. How many connections does it say you have in huntercoin qt? i dont know,i dont understand,but bot can adapt with this and for human this is too fast Bots are pretty fast, yeah. That's why I try not to be in combat with more than a couple Hunters at a time. Easier to run away then risk getting my attention span overwhelmed. He says he feels difficulties with moving his huc due to u being a ladyboy. He should be given a noble prize for that sentence alone, and I will give him the one.
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January 21, 2017, 01:09:22 AM |
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i dont know,i dont understand,but bot can adapt with this and for human this is too fast
the problem you have, and that everyone else have, is that block generation is really weird, it's not stable at all, so the theoretic formula of 1 block per minute is screwed, sometimes you see 2 blocks generated in few seconds, sometimes in a couple or more minutes, so this is hard to time at the right moment and often is a matter of luck of course if you are facing someone who sends a move very quickly while you take time to think and plan your moves, and a block is generated fast before you decide, you probably are dead on the other side, could happen the opposite: the player/bot who sends the move asap, and doesn't protect his move setting his first waypoint away from enemy, can have his destruct to happen earlier than he wanted thought, and so the hunter is exposed to the other player that took more time before pressing destruct But i agree that the main problem is that the blocks are often too fast, this is something to investigate but i don't think there is someone cheating, the problem is just that there aren't stable miners (IMHO) or worse, there is some bug in the block generation alghoritm (I don't know if it's custom for huntercoin or not, i think it's a namecoin port but maybe namecoin suffer the same problem, but not being namecoin a turn based game, It can be gone unnoticed) anyway faster blocks means someone couldn't handle many hunters and this is a good think because it leave spaces for other players to collect HUCs, on the other side if the game mechanics keeps being so simple, the chance that the bots take over is high (hint: ammo/armor system + cooldowns + power ups)
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January 21, 2017, 01:37:55 AM |
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Well if anyone of you actually mined instead of just playing this game, you would all realize mining is a random luck draw, sometimes you find a block in (using btc) 10 mins sometimes longer and sometimes even under 10 mins. Making a turn base game on something that is so random is like playing on a ice lake, one day your going to fall through.
Not to mentioning some blocks get orphaned (like it never happened). Granted its a great idea that humans are the miners instead of ASIC but playing a game of turn base on a engine that is random in nature is not the best idea..
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January 21, 2017, 01:47:11 AM |
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Well if anyone of you actually mined instead of just playing this game, you would all realize mining is a random luck draw, sometimes you find a block in (using btc) 10 mins sometimes longer and sometimes even under 10 mins. Making a turn base game on something that is so random is like playing on a ice lake, one day your going to fall through.
Not to mentioning some blocks get orphaned (like it never happened). Granted its a great idea that humans are the miners instead of ASIC but playing a game of turn base on a engine that is random in nature is not the best idea..
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I agree, but this never happened with the old version and when we had a f2pool mining the coin. And look at the screenshot i've just taken, there are 5 or 6 blocks generated per minute.... this isn't a luck matter, this is an hashpower matter or something else
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January 21, 2017, 01:52:03 AM |
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i think some new design is coming soon?
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January 21, 2017, 01:58:05 AM |
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well one of the reason as stated above is in the old version we had to walk a mile ~ hour+ to get to the coins less combat, but now we are so close together, combat comes into play more often, so its now more noticeable, also not having a giant like f2pool to mine 99% of our blocks just adds even more randomness to the mix.
What could help things might be change to difficulty re targeting time (again like btc) ever 2100 blocks (i think) instead of ever block?
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January 21, 2017, 02:03:59 AM |
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and as a proof that this is an hashpower matters, the difficult is already 12665240.411003 after 5 min i took the screenshot, while 100 blocks before it was 12198582.656297 update: block 1570323 Block | Difficulty | 1570223 | 11946096.727004 | 1570323 | 12026720.890824 | 1570423 | 11930541.575989 | 1570523 | 12191819.41785 | 1570623 | 12641359.116998 |
look the spike on the last 100 blocks, where the weird blocks were noticeable and after having pumped the SHA256, the miner started pumping Scrypt (look how Scrypt difficult rise so fast) 1570640 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:56:54 11 1042.900586 1770.7510423757 1570639 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:56:12 8 723.259173 1769.2141296503 1570638 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:55:57 10 957.605 1768.409901675 1570637 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:55:43 12 1146.661759 12662469.055522 1570636 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:54:52 11 1031.849 1767.5038365382 1570635 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:53:54 10 937.396759 1766.1599145315 1570634 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:53:26 11 1047.717145 1765.2256807371 1570633 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:53:01 11 1076.502759 12661739.953015 1570632 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:52:30 11 1048.007145 1764.1895263484 1570631 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:51:41 8 758.127172 1763.226972119 1570630 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:51:07 10 931.034074 12672393.19249 1570629 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:50:47 6 544.209 1762.2943915493 1570628 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:49:51 12 1143.643073 1760.9396047451 1570627 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:49:24 9 857.269173 1759.949581106 1570626 Scrypt 2017-01-21 01:48:32 11 1036.334487 1761.7818564724 1570625 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:47:24 12 1189.400759 12665240.411003 1570624 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:46:32 8 718.374487 12653288.495869 1570623 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:46:26 11 4141.269322 12641359.116998 1570622 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:46:20 11 1037.782246 12630903.071409 1570621 SHA256 2017-01-21 01:45:59 9 872.578 12620754.041186 as you said, this block generation isn't compatible with a turn based game. A turn based system must have a stable timer, or as much stable as possible, or at very least a minimum granted time (about the minimum granted time, i think this is difficult because bitcoin doesn't have a reliable timer, date and times aren't reliable neither)
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