[ANN][HUC] Huntercoin - Worlds First Decentralized Game/World on the Blockchain

[OSYA]

Ever thought of moving HUC from POW to POS mining?  Like Peercoin/Netcoin is?

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[domob]

Ever thought of moving HUC from POW to POS mining?  Like Peercoin/Netcoin is?

What would be the benefit?  My personal opinion is that POS is not really a good way to secure a blockchain -- particularly when you can enjoy a high POW hashrate due to merge mining.

[jwinterm]

Ever thought of moving HUC from POW to POS mining?  Like Peercoin/Netcoin is?

What would be the benefit?  My personal opinion is that POS is not really a good way to secure a blockchain -- particularly when you can enjoy a high POW hashrate due to merge mining.

I'm not really a fan of PoS either, but in the case of merge-mining, especially in this case, isn't the high hashrate completely dominated by a single pool? Even though there are two algos, doesn't f2pool control more than half the hashrate on both at any time? So, even though there is a high hashrate, isn't Huntercoin completely at the mercy of a single entity?

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My point exactly, F2Pool and there low handed SPV mining tricks, are endangering Bitcoin and its network. Like Netcoin it has POS/POW algo,  mine if you want and also stake at the same time.

And wont have to worry if something happens to that one pool mining huc.


Plus earn HUC while you wait that 120 mins while moving across the screen

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[domob]

My point exactly, F2Pool and there low handed SPV mining tricks, are endangering Bitcoin and its network. Like Netcoin it has POS/POW algo,  mine if you want and also stake at the same time.

I agree somewhat, but note that POS has the same problem:  Usually the biggest holders are very centralised, like F2Pool again or Poloniex (this is just guessed, I have no actual numbers on coin holdings).

Plus earn HUC while you wait that 120 mins while moving across the screen

This point is nonesense.  If you stake coins, you simply increase the nominal number in your wallet.  The total fraction you own stays constant, i. e., staking just makes up for the inflation you introduce.  (More or less, at least.)

[wiggi]

isn't the high hashrate completely dominated by a single pool? Even though there are two algos, doesn't f2pool control more than half the hashrate on both at any time? So, even though there is a high hashrate, isn't Huntercoin completely at the mercy of a single entity?

Was f2pool completely down (for Huc mining) when block time was 5-10 minutes a few days ago? If f2p has just >51% and not really 100% then it would almost be ok for the moment and the current marketcap. It's different tiers of "at the mercy of", vulnerable vs instadeath if kicked out.

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Does anyone know of any other pool that mines HUC sides f2pool?

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[jwinterm]

isn't the high hashrate completely dominated by a single pool? Even though there are two algos, doesn't f2pool control more than half the hashrate on both at any time? So, even though there is a high hashrate, isn't Huntercoin completely at the mercy of a single entity?

Was f2pool completely down (for Huc mining) when block time was 5-10 minutes a few days ago? If f2p has just >51% and not really 100% then it would almost be ok for the moment and the current marketcap. It's different tiers of "at the mercy of", vulnerable vs instadeath if kicked out.

Just checked like the last 20 blocks here https://www.huntercoin.info/blockExplorer , and every single one went to HPDTL..., which I'm assuming is f2pool's address. I know that there can be a lot of variance and stuff, but I'm guessing their share of hashrate is way closer to 100 than 51.

I don't know any other pools that mine HUC...

Maybe it's not a bad idea to swap out sha or scrypt for a gpu-mineable algo, or add another one or three gpu/cpu mineable algos...

[snailbrain]

i know there are some p2pool miners or small pool merge mining.. they are mostly seen when something goes wrong with f2pool.

adding or swapping an algo may be something to think about for the future (something toyed with in the past).
e.g. swap scrypt for a CPU/GPU algo (assuming asics are now doing scrypt)
may need to set the difficulty sufficiently high to start with - also need to watch/think about botnets or users with many cpu mining VPS that just target huntercoin when they want to play the game to speed up time significantly for an advantage. That was sort of the main reason for adding dual algo though (to limit the slowdown of time).
also maybe easier to be malicious if there isn't sufficient people mining the new algo... if the new algo could still be merged mined maybe some big miners would stay on it ?

[jwinterm]

Scrypt is certainly ASIC territory, for about two years now. Maybe X11 and try to get Darkcoin pools to merge mine. Or Skein and try to get Digibyte and Myriad pools to merge mine.

It is a tricky problem, because with GPU/CPU algos, someone can wait until diff gets low, then rent a lot of hash or botnet and mine a bunch of blocks rapidly. If you could actually get a significant portion of X11 miners to merge mine, I don't think attacks would really be feasible. At this point though, I'd think that almost anything is better than being completely at the mercy of a single pool, but, change is always scary, and probably dangerous, and also quite a bit of work I imagine.

[wiggi]

probably dangerous

Yes, probably, and the best course of action is to do nothing but have something prepared for the worst-case scenario.

Plus earn HUC while you wait that 120 mins while moving across the screen

This point is nonesense.  If you stake coins, you simply increase the nominal number in your wallet.  The total fraction you own stays constant, i. e., staking just makes up for the inflation you introduce.  (More or less, at least.)

Depends on the details. If (right now) ~10 million coins exist, and block reward + death tax yield ~1 million coins per year, that's really enough to support a pure POS algo.

[wiggi]

This is a special version of the Qt client that kind of stretches the boundaries of what Huntercoin protocol as it is can do.

Hunters can now own items. At block 1030860 (testnet: 315600), and then if height is divisible by 1242 (testnet: 100) a gem will spawn in the stone cave either on the right side or left side of the map.


As it appears on the official testnet:





1 block after an hunter steps on this tile the gem is stored in gamestate with the reward address as key, or the name address if reward address is not set.

By default, save mode is on, with only client-side prediction, not touching the gamestate at all (good enough to fetch the gem, but not accurate all of the time).
Then you can

Code:

// uncomment this line and delete "game.dat" if you dare
//#define PERMANENT_LUGGAGE

and stuff becomes retroactively real. On testnet, game.dat regenerates in ~10 minutes. (it's the blockchain that can decide "who was on the right tile at the right time", gamestate is just the same data in different format for fast access)

Currently, only actions that are of no consequence (the hunter will die anyway and item is absolutely safe) are possible:
- set reward address to same as name address: this puts all gems in characterstate, amount is displayed after hunter name.
- set reward address to something different from name address: put gems back into storage

Another hunter can later inherit the inventory if they transfer to the "storage address".


Source:
https://github.com/wiggi/huntercoin/tree/betterQt-with-storage

https://github.com/wiggi/huntercoin/blob/betterQt-with-storage/src/makefile.unix
is a generic bitcoin makefile adapted for Huntercoin. No mystery dependencies anymore. Daemon build can be either identical to 1.3.01 release, or with full items/storage handling like the Qt,
making this all "client-agnostic", aside from visual effects.


For windows: (both builds, save mode and full)
https://mega.nz/#!2J0gza4C!_CGoc2_DsgjSLBc_pzkIgIJpWvjnQIdiS82K8Oh4h9E


Also for windows, a testnet in a box, showcasing a bunch of ideas that can now be ported to Huntercoin.
https://mega.nz/#!fUMWFRAZ!mYceRV0s91iokbMvkN6_vSKKbIzroi_WnnPa0uOhbeY

[The Bitcoin Co-op]

We really love this project and how it's managed to cleanly unite the realms of gaming and decentralization--I've yet to see another game developer quite as committed to P2P & blockchain technology. We'll bring some much-deserved publicity very soon.

[wiggi]

Update to fix a critical bug with the gem spawn positions, please don't use the old version anymore.


Source:
https://github.com/wiggi/huntercoin/tree/betterQt-with-storage

For windows: (updated Jan. 7, 2016)
https://mega.nz/#!TIM3SC4L!O4rrr2gXc9sA6BxsSYNzikOCPkS2iPPet3s2FS2cSVE


The betterQt client is not affected.

Normal Huntercoin gameplay with betterQt-with-storage is not affected.

No gem is lost, if it was visible and a player picked it up, it will be in the inventory, but players must upgrade by block 1037070.

[Fur-Coin]

im stuck at block 1007860

[wiggi]

I've yet to see another game developer quite as committed to P2P & blockchain technology.

Last year I half expected 100 blockchain based indie games to pop up, with an ensuing cacophony on par with all altcoins together. But lots of reasons why it didn't happen, and probably is still not in the pipeline now...



Updated the above links, and tested the full version on mainnet. No problems. If mainnet game.dat is deleted, it takes about 5h to regenerate (1 cpu thread, and there is very little disk activity). The result is included in the windows version, but should work everywhere.

Basically the gamestate can store any kind of data, do any kind of calculations with it, and run the perfect turn based game if we want (backed up by the blockchain even if the scope of the game goes beyond Huntercoin)

Click middle mouse button 2 times to get the list of what's currently in the safes. (and do dumpprivkey on the addresses) It
should look like this:

adventurers.txt

Code:

                                           hunter
storage vault key                          name     gems

H7HKACUUgxTVFrgqwtzk7rjfAirh2oPm9L          soto    1.00
H9a1y1BVfTy7wMydc4v5Bd6DNGUcmfoffD         mimpo    1.00
HASfuy2bztDuFVDXRWQuZBDSUGmV5bTGKH         vert3    1.00
HDj1dX9AJYRbZqRwsxi2MBJiAVRAxk8rGn         Julia    1.00
HEAmWh1QuujiQLAmn7twg7f3NYsKov6N4f           oku    1.00
HEDwK8gvde2tyEr9Bb5Cs28X4JXZMCxhv6          Nada    1.00
HEaPz4EGME7oJ53Gu6n4UCStxGfDwS6n94         ahzek    2.02
HGSeTEV5Cbg83U67na9hs9stiU5sCTfHg9          oku4    1.00
HGvtSnXWyQGFihfHEd2XAzCzfJCg8ofnJR          zero    1.00
HKepczEtZMZVk9odw2nCDqEiJTNHsDJ9xS         noir3    1.00
HUyUXaqw6qmhALSY1AHFSq2sMBqK2uaCGj          Glub    1.00

                                           total

                                             11    12.02

[The Bitcoin Co-op]

I've yet to see another game developer quite as committed to P2P & blockchain technology.

Last year I half expected 100 blockchain based indie games to pop up, with an ensuing cacophony on par with all altcoins together. But lots of reasons why it didn't happen, and probably is still not in the pipeline now...

They'll be following in your footsteps, soon! A marketing campaign will be detailed on the Huntercoin forum, starting when I figure out the answer to its security question for registration. 

[Enticed87]

Maybe if this was easier to set-up it might be fun & a bolder announcement with the simpler things might work better....just saying.

[SISAR]

With Cryptsy now gonne it would be smart to not depend on Poloniex alone but add HUC to one more exchange. Cryptopia offered a nice deal for all coins that traded on Cryptsy, for not much money. https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/492 so roughly 0.08 BTC (500,000 DOT must be bought at https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange?market=DOT_BTC) are needed to immidiately list HUC at Cryptopia, anyone willing to donate some money? I'm willing to participate with 10% but no more.

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_huc should be removed from starting post here because Cryptsy is highly likely not coming back online.

[snailbrain]

With Cryptsy now gonne it would be smart to not depend on Poloniex alone but add HUC to one more exchange. Cryptopia offered a nice deal for all coins that traded on Cryptsy, for not much money. https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/492 so roughly 0.08 BTC (500,000 DOT must be bought at https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange?market=DOT_BTC) are needed to immidiately list HUC at Cryptopia, anyone willing to donate some money? I'm willing to participate with 10% but no more.

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_huc should be removed from starting post here because Cryptsy is highly likely not coming back online.

i can give 0.04 btc but i may not get time until the end of the week