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February 14, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
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My shares per shift is going down coinciding with the overall pool hash going up and not by a negligable amount.

I am getting at least 40% less shares consistently than when the pool hash was between 3-3.5K. Sad

Also a month or two back where all miners had to restart their machines/proxy to reconnect I was getting +25% shares per shift consistently until miners reconnected.

Sorry but I may have to switch pools. I'd rather not as I have the least problems with your pool, but a little hassle is better than a 1-3% fee and a 40% share loss.

If I understand you correctly, that is the expected behaviour for PPLNS. As the hashrate increases, you get fewer shares per shift, but the same number of shares per day and the same number of coin per week.



Assuming my hash rate doesn't change, if I'm seeing higher than 100% PPS only 10% of the time and the rest of the time its around 50-60%, wouldn't I still be making more by just doing straight PPS?

i.e. in order for me to break even, I need block per shift to be at least 9, there are occasional strings of shifts that run 9+ for 10 or so shifts, but this maybe happens once a week. The majority of the time the block per shift is between 4-8 (outside of green). Again, assuming my hash rate doesn't change and I'm submitting the same number of shares, aren't I still making more BTC by doing PPS instead?

I know that all PPLNS is pretty much just luck, but if difficulty is constantly increasing, won't this luck just continue to get worse and worse as more ASICs are added to the fold?

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February 14, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
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My shares per shift is going down coinciding with the overall pool hash going up and not by a negligable amount.

I am getting at least 40% less shares consistently than when the pool hash was between 3-3.5K. Sad

Also a month or two back where all miners had to restart their machines/proxy to reconnect I was getting +25% shares per shift consistently until miners reconnected.

Sorry but I may have to switch pools. I'd rather not as I have the least problems with your pool, but a little hassle is better than a 1-3% fee and a 40% share loss.

If I understand you correctly, that is the expected behaviour for PPLNS. As the hashrate increases, you get fewer shares per shift, but the same number of shares per day and the same number of coin per week.



Assuming my hash rate doesn't change, if I'm seeing higher than 100% PPS only 10% of the time and the rest of the time its around 50-60%, wouldn't I still be making more by just doing straight PPS?

i.e. in order for me to break even, I need block per shift to be at least 9, there are occasional strings of shifts that run 9+ for 10 or so shifts, but this maybe happens once a week. The majority of the time the block per shift is between 4-8 (outside of green). Again, assuming my hash rate doesn't change and I'm submitting the same number of shares, aren't I still making more BTC by doing PPS instead?

I know that all PPLNS is pretty much just luck, but if difficulty is constantly increasing, won't this luck just continue to get worse and worse as more ASICs are added to the fold?

PPLNS has paid more than PPS consistently over the last month.  The problem is you focus on bad shifts and don't acknowledge the good shifts (its human nature to dwell on the negatives).  If you were mining with two identical speed workers, one on PPS, one on PPLNS this month, you would have made somewhere around 110% PPS on the PPLNS worker.  Bad luck drags on longer than good luck, it's just how it works (due to bad luck requiring significant time to be considered bad luck).  But if you get one shift of 15 blocks, that makes up for 6 shifts of 8 blocks, or 3 shifts of 7 blocks.  And generally when you get a really big shift like that, you have a few others similarly above the average.

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The last 90 MATURED shifts (you cannot include open shifts) have averaged 9.3 blocks per shift, AKA: 0.0000076339143/share (more than 100% PPS).
The last 190 matured shifts have averaged 9.48 blocks/shift, or 0.00000777397457/share, which is 2% above 0%-fee PPS.

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February 14, 2013, 07:05:26 PM
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My shares per shift is going down coinciding with the overall pool hash going up and not by a negligable amount.

I am getting at least 40% less shares consistently than when the pool hash was between 3-3.5K. Sad

Also a month or two back where all miners had to restart their machines/proxy to reconnect I was getting +25% shares per shift consistently until miners reconnected.

Sorry but I may have to switch pools. I'd rather not as I have the least problems with your pool, but a little hassle is better than a 1-3% fee and a 40% share loss.

If I understand you correctly, that is the expected behaviour for PPLNS. As the hashrate increases, you get fewer shares per shift, but the same number of shares per day and the same number of coin per week.



Assuming my hash rate doesn't change, if I'm seeing higher than 100% PPS only 10% of the time and the rest of the time its around 50-60%, wouldn't I still be making more by just doing straight PPS?

i.e. in order for me to break even, I need block per shift to be at least 9, there are occasional strings of shifts that run 9+ for 10 or so shifts, but this maybe happens once a week. The majority of the time the block per shift is between 4-8 (outside of green). Again, assuming my hash rate doesn't change and I'm submitting the same number of shares, aren't I still making more BTC by doing PPS instead?

I know that all PPLNS is pretty much just luck, but if difficulty is constantly increasing, won't this luck just continue to get worse and worse as more ASICs are added to the fold?

PPLNS has paid more than PPS consistently over the last month.  The problem is you focus on bad shifts and don't acknowledge the good shifts (its human nature to dwell on the negatives).  If you were mining with two identical speed workers, one on PPS, one on PPLNS this month, you would have made somewhere around 110% PPS on the PPLNS worker.

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The last 90 MATURED shifts (you cannot include open shifts) have averaged 9.3 blocks per shift, AKA: 0.0000076339143/share (more than 100% PPS).
The last 190 matured shifts have averaged 9.48 blocks/shift, or 0.00000777397457/share, which is 2% above 0%-fee PPS.

For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

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February 14, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
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For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.

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February 14, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
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For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.

Awesome!

Will this update every completed shift or is this just manual labor on your part?

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February 14, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
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For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.

Awesome!

Will this update every completed shift or is this just manual labor on your part?

It's automatically calculated every time a shift completes.

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February 14, 2013, 09:08:24 PM
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Nice to see Your good work and perfect feedback to Your poolusers superfantastic!!!  Smiley

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February 15, 2013, 03:38:57 AM
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For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).

I'm looking into it.  I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average Smiley.


EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table.  This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change.

Awesome!

Will this update every completed shift or is this just manual labor on your part?

It's automatically calculated every time a shift completes.

Everybody who saw the nice run of luck since 01/20/13 can thank me.  I tried PPLNS since inception here and was getting the crappiest luck ever (even worse than that 2 month streak BTCG had 2 years ago).  The most I ever saw was 1 17 block shift and a few 14s, and I even caught a 0.  I leave and kept checking every day just to confirm my suspicions.  Yep 21s nonstop and close to 140% PPS rate for about the last 3 weeks.  I'll say it again... Damn you lady lucky!

I should be paid to modify a pools luck one way or another LMAO  Grin Huh  Undecided  Cry

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February 15, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
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One stratum server was acting up earlier.  Some work is being done to distribute the BTC Guild servers across more datacenters to reduce the effectiveness of DDoS attacks.

The website may be inaccessible for a brief period.


EDIT/UPDATE:  New DNS entries made for the website.  If you're having problems connecting, try flushing your DNS cache (in windows, open a command prompt and type ipconfig /flushdns, then restart your browser and try again).

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February 16, 2013, 06:54:35 AM
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There was a small problem earlier where users were being given the error message that they had made too many invalid login attempts recently, and should wait ~800 seconds.  This was an unexpected side effect of moving parts of the website/database infrastructure.  The problem should no longer appear, and I'm sorry that this error was not caught earlier in the transition.

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February 16, 2013, 01:40:45 PM
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Hey was woundering if we could bet a new column  on pplns history page. The column being just the blocks mined that block period. I dont have any specific need for it i just think it might look a little nicer so we can see how many blocks in one shift we mined.

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February 17, 2013, 09:09:14 PM
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The pool website is temporarily unavailable.  Working on restoring it immediately.  Migration to a different host node is also happening while the current node is being restored, so this should not happen again unless there is an attack.

All stratum servers, and most getwork servers are still functioning normally.


UPDATE:  Website is back online, and the one getwork server that was down should be restored shortly.
UPDATE2: Server migration in process for the website.
UPDATE3: Server migration was finished after about 20 minutes.  Mining on most servers was unaffected, only one getwork server was unavailable for part of the migration.

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February 18, 2013, 07:46:50 PM
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The last seven open shifts all have zero solves. Is this just a display issue or are we really just getting this unlucky with the new difficulty?

Shift 2180 - Shift 2186

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February 18, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
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The last seven open shifts all have zero solves. Is this just a display issue or are we really just getting this unlucky with the new difficulty?

Shift 2180 - Shift 2186

Unlucky since the difficulty change.  Our blocks show up clearly on Blockchain.info due to being tagged with 'BTC Guild' or 'Mined by BTC Guild' (Stratum uses 'Mined by', getwork is just 'BTC Guild').  The day is young though!

EDIT:  See, this always happens.  Within minutes of complaining about luck, a block appears.  And if people do the opposite and mention our good luck, we have a dry spell.  The curse of the word 'luck' in relation to blocks.

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February 18, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
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The last seven open shifts all have zero solves. Is this just a display issue or are we really just getting this unlucky with the new difficulty?

Shift 2180 - Shift 2186

Unlucky since the difficulty change.  Our blocks show up clearly on Blockchain.info due to being tagged with 'BTC Guild' or 'Mined by BTC Guild' (Stratum uses 'Mined by', getwork is just 'BTC Guild').  The day is young though!

EDIT:  See, this always happens.  Within minutes of complaining about luck, a block appears.  And if people do the opposite and mention our good luck, we have a dry spell.  The curse of the word 'luck' in relation to blocks.

hahaha I noticed that.

Immediately after being like, wth, I look at the Block History and see we just made a solve.

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February 18, 2013, 08:07:18 PM
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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Cry Cry

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February 18, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Cry Cry

Not really.  It wasn't even 3 hours between the blocks.  The entire network regularly (few times a week) has periods of an hour or more without a block.  That's why variance is still a consideration when you're a huge amount of hash power.  A bad luck streak can drastically impact your earnings during a difficulty.

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February 18, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Cry Cry

Not really.  It wasn't even 3 hours between the blocks.  The entire network regularly (few times a week) has periods of an hour or more without a block.  That's why variance is still a consideration when you're a huge amount of hash power.  A bad luck streak can drastically impact your earnings during a difficulty.

Ahaa okay that sounds fair  Wink. iam still allin pplns but only 14 gh time will tell how long ill keep mining with it..before i sell my rig !!

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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Cry Cry

Not really.  It wasn't even 3 hours between the blocks.  The entire network regularly (few times a week) has periods of an hour or more without a block.  That's why variance is still a consideration when you're a huge amount of hash power.  A bad luck streak can drastically impact your earnings during a difficulty.

Ahaa okay that sounds fair  Wink. iam still allin pplns but only 14 gh time will tell how long ill keep mining with it..before i sell my rig !!

Couldnt you just mitigate your losses by having half your rig mine PPLNS and have other half do PPS?

Also, with the price rising like it has been, you're still making about the same when mining less BTC overall.

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