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December 02, 2012, 06:44:54 AM
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Eleuthria, I'm not sure if this was talked about earlier in the thread, but I'm wondering if you plan to share TX fees with miners, much like Slush is doing.

PPLNS shift payments will include transaction fees, and a reduced fee compared to PPS.  PPS may see a fee reduction to makeup for TX fees at some point, but nothing is concrete at this time.

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December 02, 2012, 06:54:52 AM
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Thanks for the prompt reply Michael. I look forward to seeing the new reward structure in place. You said you will turn it on Monday, no?

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December 02, 2012, 08:53:59 AM
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Thanks for the prompt reply Michael. I look forward to seeing the new reward structure in place. You said you will turn it on Monday, no?

It may launch tomorrow depending on progress.  The biggest drawback to the new system is that it will require a bit more explanation.  PPS is just so darn simple (which is why I picked it when leaving proportional).  PPLNS is a great system, but the concepts behind it are harder to explain than "I will pay you X per share" Smiley.

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December 02, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
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PPLNS will be going live in about an hour, but it will not be highly advertised until I have a more user friendly introduction to it.  If you're interested in using PPLNS, the option will be made visible under the 'Manage Workers' screen.  You can toggle workers between PPLNS/PPS live, and it will take effect within about half a second.  You may see a few new shares show up for the older method when you switch.  This is because when you switch methods, it only affects new share submissions, but the pool posts shares in batches every 10 seconds, so you may have a few shares from the old method that weren't yet logged.

Tomorrow there will be a restart of the Stratum pool around noon (PST).  This restart is changing the variable difficulty settings to a higher shares-per-minute target.  After significant testing with Stratum, I've determined that while ~15 shares per minute is low variance in 24 hours, it does mean your "My Account" hash rate estimate can vary quite a bit since at most it only averages one hour.  The new target will be ~30 shares per minute.

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December 02, 2012, 10:29:58 PM
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How did you choose the shift size to be exactly 3,000,000 shares?

An exact size isn't required, but I ended up using 3m because it meant an average shift takes about 1 hour to complete at the current pool size.  The key factor on my end is that I want to keep the full history of every shift, and not do something like condense it down in the future to save DB space.  Larger shifts = more compact database even after running PPLNS for years.

The number can (and will) be changed over time, all the calculations are setup to by dynamic with regard to shift size/# of shifts.  As for variance, the important side of this is that 'N' is much higher than current difficulty.  The odds of a shift receiving 0 payments is very slim when using a 30 million share window, and fast enough that if a user wanted to leave the pool, they wouldn't feel like the shares are being held hostage, since they will receive all payments in less than half a day.

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December 02, 2012, 11:57:30 PM
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Slush has recently updated the Stratum proxy to fix some potential reconnect issues.  While I haven't experienced any issues using it myself, I would recommend users to keep up to date with the latest proxy revisions.  You can find the latest release on github: https://github.com/slush0/stratum-mining-proxy


EDIT:  Since this post appeared on a new page:  PPLNS has been made public to all BTC Guild users today.  It is not highly advertised yet, since I'm still adding extra user-friendly things like tooltips and detailed explanations of all the terms.  You can access it immediately by going to "Manage Workers" and toggling some of your workers to it.  This will change your workers to PPLNS/PPS live, as long as they are on a Stratum based server.  You can also see some detailed statistics about PPLNS on the "PPLNS Statistics" page under PPS Earnings, and PPLNS Shift History, above Block History.

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December 03, 2012, 12:01:30 AM
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Mining pool list updated for PPLNS. Can you check I have all details correct?

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December 03, 2012, 12:09:19 AM
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Mining pool list updated for PPLNS. Can you check I have all details correct?

Thanks for updating.  Only one correction right now:  Pay Orphans = Yes.  I should probably make that a bit more well known since it drops the effective fee 0.5-1% [depending on network growth/shrinkage].  Starting tomorrow the SPM target will also be increased to a 20-40 SPM range (30 SPM target).

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December 03, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
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Mining pool list updated for PPLNS. Can you check I have all details correct?

Thanks for updating.  Only one correction right now:  Pay Orphans = Yes.  I should probably make that a bit more well known since it drops the effective fee 0.5-1% [depending on network growth/shrinkage].  Starting tomorrow the SPM target will also be increased to a 20-40 SPM range (30 SPM target).

I'll update them both later today. But you're seriously paying for orphans on PPLNS? That's not going to leave much left over for you.

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December 03, 2012, 12:17:42 AM
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Mining pool list updated for PPLNS. Can you check I have all details correct?

Thanks for updating.  Only one correction right now:  Pay Orphans = Yes.  I should probably make that a bit more well known since it drops the effective fee 0.5-1% [depending on network growth/shrinkage].  Starting tomorrow the SPM target will also be increased to a 20-40 SPM range (30 SPM target).

I'll update them both later today. But you're seriously paying for orphans on PPLNS? That's not going to leave much left over for you.

I'm paying orphans for now, and tx fees.  I figure at a 3% fee, that's still ~1.5% average per block after orphans/tx fees.  It's not as much as PPS, but it's "risk free".  Sometimes you just have to take the sure thing over the gamble, even if the gamble has odds in your favor.

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December 03, 2012, 02:41:11 AM
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FYI, my pool monitor now supports BTCGuild.  Windows only.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86502.0

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December 03, 2012, 02:52:03 AM
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FYI, my pool monitor now supports BTCGuild.  Windows only.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86502.0

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Thank you very much.  Hopefully you implemented it in a way that *new* data won't break it?  I'm going to be adding a lot of API information this next week for the PPLNS system.

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December 03, 2012, 09:48:37 AM
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FYI, my pool monitor now supports BTCGuild.  Windows only.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86502.0

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Thank you very much.  Hopefully you implemented it in a way that *new* data won't break it?  I'm going to be adding a lot of API information this next week for the PPLNS system.

As long as you don't change existing data, new data shouldn't hurt anything.

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December 03, 2012, 09:06:12 PM
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PPLNS still working great so far, but one bug is currently present.  The "24 Hour Earnings" statistic currently assumes you are running PPS.  So if you're running PPLNS, this statistic still shows up, but it is giving you the value as if you had been on PPS.  Trying to figure out a way to fix this statistic without breaking it at this time.

After that, I'll begin adding some PPLNS statistics to the API calls.

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December 03, 2012, 10:59:53 PM
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PPLNS still working great so far, but one bug is currently present.  The "24 Hour Earnings" statistic currently assumes you are running PPS.  So if you're running PPLNS, this statistic still shows up, but it is giving you the value as if you had been on PPS.  Trying to figure out a way to fix this statistic without breaking it at this time.

After that, I'll begin adding some PPLNS statistics to the API calls.

It would cool if you could put the PPLNS stats where the Namecoin stuff is taking up real estate. Maybe move NMC off to it's own section for those that still need it.

Thanks again and great work on the pool.  Cool
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December 03, 2012, 11:18:23 PM
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PPLNS still working great so far, but one bug is currently present.  The "24 Hour Earnings" statistic currently assumes you are running PPS.  So if you're running PPLNS, this statistic still shows up, but it is giving you the value as if you had been on PPS.  Trying to figure out a way to fix this statistic without breaking it at this time.

After that, I'll begin adding some PPLNS statistics to the API calls.

It would cool if you could put the PPLNS stats where the Namecoin stuff is taking up real estate. Maybe move NMC off to it's own section for those that still need it.

Thanks again and great work on the pool.  Cool

That's exactly what I've been thinking Smiley.  I'll probably shove NMC into a secondary page that's only visible once people have a wallet established.

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December 04, 2012, 12:15:37 AM
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PPLNS statistics are now shown on the 'My Account' page.  Additionally, the BTC reward summary has moved around a little bit, now providing you with a more structured view of your earnings, payments, and available balance.  There is also a link under the PPLNS side of rewards which provides a guide on what PPLNS is, how to use it, and a small walkthrough of how the reward system works.

The 24 hour earnings statistic has been temporarily removed from the My Account page.  The statistic will hopefully be back sometime tomorrow, and will be placed in the bar at the top of the screen.

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December 04, 2012, 12:26:20 AM
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It might be nice if there was a way to remove a namecoin address so that we can disable any namecoin section. I don't intend to bother in future but have done before. I tried to just change address with blank but that was invalid. Maybe something like entering a "." (dot) could be a trigger to remove it. Or a remove/disable button on the change address page that pops up.

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December 04, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
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You are good at web design eleuthria. Just the right amount of information in a clear format.

How long does PPLNS need to "charge up".  I've been running about half a day and have only earned .01.
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December 04, 2012, 12:51:39 AM
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Since we are throwing ideas out there, maybe make an Account Settings section on the left and put all that static stuff that never changes in the middle Account Summary. (username, email, wallets, api, etc) This would free up more real estate for stuff like Rewards Summary and Worker Summary.

Then maybe under the new Account Settings you could have a toggle for what you want displayed in the middle. For example, you could have Rewards Summary, Worker Summary, and PPLNS Shift History maybe showing a condensed last 15 with option to expand. Toggle off Namecoin, or toggle on PPS, etc.

Being able to see the stats that are important to you and your workers on one page would sure be nice, especially if your accessing the site from a tablet or phone. I always find myself having to zoom in to hit the links on the left. (I know, first world problems, right...)  Wink
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