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February 18, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
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There was a brief restart to some of the Stratum servers.  Each server had about 2-3 seconds of downtime to deploy a patch that aims at helping detect and remove botnet miners from the Stratum interface.  I've recently discovered two accounts that appear to have been spreading a cgminer/bfgminer bot using the Stratum servers.

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February 18, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Cry Cry

Not really.  It wasn't even 3 hours between the blocks.  The entire network regularly (few times a week) has periods of an hour or more without a block.  That's why variance is still a consideration when you're a huge amount of hash power.  A bad luck streak can drastically impact your earnings during a difficulty.

Ahaa okay that sounds fair  Wink. iam still allin pplns but only 14 gh time will tell how long ill keep mining with it..before i sell my rig !!

Couldnt you just mitigate your losses by having half your rig mine PPLNS and have other half do PPS?

Also, with the price rising like it has been, you're still making about the same when mining less BTC overall.

I did 50-50 but thats not the problem and you are right about the price rise sofar so good but in 2 -3 months i guess asics will get deliverd or asicminer gets 12 th then i think about stop mining and start trading BTC orso...

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February 19, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
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Im so freaking happy that the ASIC's came to BTCGuild and not someplace like 50btc
It'd be Sweet if they ran on P2Pool, But im pretty sure theres issues with that right now, Also, P2Pool is a BITCH to setup

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February 19, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
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There was a brief restart to some of the Stratum servers.  Each server had about 2-3 seconds of downtime to deploy a patch that aims at helping detect and remove botnet miners from the Stratum interface.  I've recently discovered two accounts that appear to have been spreading a cgminer/bfgminer bot using the Stratum servers.

I don't know if it was coincidence or not, but soon after that I lost again percent of hashing speed and had to move on 50btc and getwork.
You sure you botnet detector is behaving? I'm also fan of paranoid security, btw..

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February 19, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
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There was a brief restart to some of the Stratum servers.  Each server had about 2-3 seconds of downtime to deploy a patch that aims at helping detect and remove botnet miners from the Stratum interface.  I've recently discovered two accounts that appear to have been spreading a cgminer/bfgminer bot using the Stratum servers.

I don't know if it was coincidence or not, but soon after that I lost again percent of hashing speed and had to move on 50btc and getwork.
You sure you botnet detector is behaving? I'm also fan of paranoid security, btw..

The botnet detection would cause you to see constant disconnects whenever you authorized a banned worker.  It is quite obvious if it's affecting you.  I'd try reconnecting and seeing if you're still noticing any kind of drop.  The only reason I can see for a drop is if your miner didn't reconnect promptly (since hash rates displayed are an hour long average, it takes a while for the ESTIMATED HASH RATE to become accurate again).

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February 19, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
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This is why I mine at BTCGuild:

Summary of runtime statistics:
                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Started at [2013-02-18 22:13:11]                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Pool: http://stratum.btcguild.com:3333                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Runtime: 20 hrs : 10 mins : 1 secs                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Average hashrate: 350.8 Megahash/s                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Solved blocks: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Best share difficulty: 3.55K                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Queued work requests: 2642                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Share submissions: 5983                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Accepted shares: 5983                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Rejected shares: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Accepted difficulty shares: 5983                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Rejected difficulty shares: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Reject ratio: 0.0%                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Hardware errors: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Efficiency (accepted / queued): 226%                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Utility (accepted shares / min): 4.94/min                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Work Utility (diff1 shares solved / min): 4.94/min
                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Discarded work due to new blocks: 5062                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Stale submissions discarded due to new blocks: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Unable to get work from server occasions: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Work items generated locally: 14930                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Submitting work remotely delay occasions: 0                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] New blocks detected on network: 131
                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] Summary of per device statistics:
                    
 [2013-02-19 18:23:13] GPU0                | (5s):0.000 (avg):350.8Mh/s | A:5983 R:0 HW:0 U:4.9/m I: 8                    
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February 19, 2013, 11:35:21 PM
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This is why I mine at BTCGuild:
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Glad it's working so great for you!  Of course one rejected would increase your reject rate infinity% compared to the current value Smiley.  But most miners (good FPGA drivers/not running insane intensity) the target acceptance rate is 99.90%+.  The newer Stratum servers have helped as well, with a faster production of work after a new block is detected (higher ghz processors in the new servers).

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February 19, 2013, 11:46:19 PM
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The botnet detection would cause you to see constant disconnects whenever you authorized a banned worker.  It is quite obvious if it's affecting you.  I'd try reconnecting and seeing if you're still noticing any kind of drop.  The only reason I can see for a drop is if your miner didn't reconnect promptly (since hash rates displayed are an hour long average, it takes a while for the ESTIMATED HASH RATE to become accurate again).

Not sure about that side of interface, I was using slush proxy since it is handy, but I think it was behaving somehow like that, multiple disconnections/re-connections. Again, maybe it is a coincidence, but I thought is worth to ask.. I have proxy logs saved for just in case.

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February 20, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
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I am continuing to work on shifting servers around in the background, and adding new IPs to the round robin DNS entries for Stratum.  Users should not be affected by any of these changes (no old servers are turning off yet).  This process is almost complete, which should eliminate the ability for a DDoS to take down all servers for extended lengths of time.  The servers are being relocated to different providers all over the country, some of which have policies which should prevent one of the more common DDoS attack vectors (many-many gbps UDP floods).

No amount of protection can eliminate the DDoS threat (at least without spending every dime the pool makes and possibly more), but by spreading the servers out, the hope is that future attacks can not take out all servers simultaneously, and that I will be able to modify the DNS entries to help mitigate attacks as they happen.


One note to Stratum users:  If you are currently mining on 50.31.149.57 (this used to be the redirect URL if you connected to btcguild.com:8332), please change your miner over to stratum.btcguild.com:3333 .  The 50.31.149.57 server will be turned off once the active connection count drops under 50, or by February 28th, whichever happens first.

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One note to Stratum users:  If you are currently mining on 50.31.149.57 (this used to be the redirect URL if you connected to btcguild.com:8332), please change your miner over to stratum.btcguild.com:3333 .  The 50.31.149.57 server will be turned off once the active connection count drops under 50, or by February 28th, whichever happens first.
Switched mine over to stratum.btcguild.com now so two less.
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February 20, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
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I am continuing to work on shifting servers around in the background, and adding new IPs to the round robin DNS entries for Stratum.  Users should not be affected by any of these changes (no old servers are turning off yet).  This process is almost complete, which should eliminate the ability for a DDoS to take down all servers for extended lengths of time.  The servers are being relocated to different providers all over the country, some of which have policies which should prevent one of the more common DDoS attack vectors (many-many gbps UDP floods).

No amount of protection can eliminate the DDoS threat (at least without spending every dime the pool makes and possibly more), but by spreading the servers out, the hope is that future attacks can not take out all servers simultaneously, and that I will be able to modify the DNS entries to help mitigate attacks as they happen.


One note to Stratum users:  If you are currently mining on 50.31.149.57 (this used to be the redirect URL if you connected to btcguild.com:8332), please change your miner over to stratum.btcguild.com:3333 .  The 50.31.149.57 server will be turned off once the active connection count drops under 50, or by February 28th, whichever happens first.

I use "de.btcguild.com:8332" do i have to change to "stratum.btcguild.com:3333" also???

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February 20, 2013, 10:54:24 PM
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I use "de.btcguild.com:8332" do i have to change to "stratum.btcguild.com:3333" also???

Sorry I didn't mention DE.  If you are connected through de.btcguild.com:8332 or de.btcguild.com:3333, you do not need to make any changes.  These only affect the US servers.

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February 20, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
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I've been asked a few times by email (ever since ASICMINER and other users came) about plans for PPLNS shifts, now that they've gone from ~1 hour to ~30 minutes each.  The time it takes for a PPLNS shift to complete is not very important.  The N value is currently 30 million, which is ~8 times higher than the current difficulty, meaning an average shift will receive ~8 blocks worth of payments.  The very high value for 'N' was to reduce per-shift variance.  Higher 'N' values have virtually no effect on 24 hour/7 day/30 day variance, but many users would hate to see a share receive no payment at all, so a high 'N' value makes the odds of a shift receiving 0 payments very low.

However, there will be an increase to the 'N' value as difficulty rises.  I'm currently anticipating increasing N from 30 million to 60 million in March, based on current network speed projections.  I will update again before the change is implemented.  Again, this would have very little affect on overall earnings, aside from smoothing out individual shift variance, and hopefully reducing the odds of a shift receiving 0 blocks.

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February 20, 2013, 11:18:32 PM
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I run two stratum proxies (slush) , the two mentioned above.  One consolidates gpus from cgminer and the other as a frontend for btcminer.
Everything works fine and the stales is normally very low.  They seem to work a little different tough, with cgminer (I guess) the proxy forwards vardifff so it ends at 32, wich causes one new connection per two min.
2013-02-20 23:40:30,192 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out

Now with RR dns this gives different servers. Shouldnt be a problem, but what is the timeout limit for the stratum connection ?

For btcminer it seems as the vardiff wasnt forwared in the same way.  But with the new implemented minimum diff I could force it to 32 (before 8.) and  got less stales from that, but now it seems as the dupes are creeping slowly up. I will reset it again and check further.
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I run two stratum proxies (slush) , the two mentioned above.  One consolidates gpus from cgminer and the other as a frontend for btcminer.
Everything works fine and the stales is normally very low.  They seem to work a little different tough, with cgminer (I guess) the proxy forwards vardifff so it ends at 32, wich causes one new connection per two min.
2013-02-20 23:40:30,192 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out

Now with RR dns this gives different servers. Shouldnt be a problem, but what is the timeout limit for the stratum connection ?

For btcminer it seems as the vardiff wasnt forwared in the same way.  But with the new implemented minimum diff I could force it to 32 (before 8.) and  got less stales from that, but now it seems as the dupes are creeping slowly up. I will reset it again and check further.

Higher difficulty should not impact stale rates in the long term.  Since a higher difficulty means more time between submissions, you're less likely to submit a stale.  However, when you DO submit a stale, it counts as more stales.  

IE:  At diff 1, you might submit average 1 stale per 5 longpolls.  So after 160 longpolls you have ~32 stales.  At diff 32, you are 1/32 as likely to submit a stale, but you will still average ~1 per 160 longpolls, which counts as 32.

For the dupes, I've found that many FPGAs submit dupes quite often, but it's not that they've done the same work twice, they've simply submitted the result twice, so your effective hash rate is not changed as a result.  My ztex singles have very high (~8%) dupe submissions when using btcminer, cgminer, or most versions of bfgminer (one version doesn't have the problem), but their effective speed is exactly what it should be on the pool website [within the expected variance for an hour long average].


As for the time out problem, is this a frequent problem?  I've not had any issues with my miners, and have not seen any pool wide problems.

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As for the time out problem, is this a frequent problem?  I've not had any issues with my miners, and have not seen any pool wide problems.

Not sure if anybody noticed, but OVH (quite a big european provider) has network issues today, which affected half of the european internet, because OVH's internal traffic is re-routed over other companies.

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I run two stratum proxies (slush) , the two mentioned above.  One consolidates gpus from cgminer and the other as a frontend for btcminer.
Everything works fine and the stales is normally very low.  They seem to work a little different tough, with cgminer (I guess) the proxy forwards vardifff so it ends at 32, wich causes one new connection per two min.
2013-02-20 23:40:30,192 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out

Now with RR dns this gives different servers. Shouldnt be a problem, but what is the timeout limit for the stratum connection ?

For btcminer it seems as the vardiff wasnt forwared in the same way.  But with the new implemented minimum diff I could force it to 32 (before 8.) and  got less stales from that, but now it seems as the dupes are creeping slowly up. I will reset it again and check further.

Higher difficulty should not impact stale rates in the long term.  Since a higher difficulty means more time between submissions, you're less likely to submit a stale.  However, when you DO submit a stale, it counts as more stales.  

IE:  At diff 1, you might submit average 1 stale per 5 longpolls.  So after 160 longpolls you have ~32 stales.  At diff 32, you are 1/32 as likely to submit a stale, but you will still average ~1 per 160 longpolls, which counts as 32.

For the dupes, I've found that many FPGAs submit dupes quite often, but it's not that they've done the same work twice, they've simply submitted the result twice, so your effective hash rate is not changed as a result.  My ztex singles have very high (~8%) dupe submissions when using btcminer, cgminer, or most versions of bfgminer (one version doesn't have the problem), but their effective speed is exactly what it should be on the pool website [within the expected variance for an hour long average].


As for the time out problem, is this a frequent problem?  I've not had any issues with my miners, and have not seen any pool wide problems.
Yes, has been so for a long time, but dont seem to affect the shares, benchmarked it against my fpgas  just wanted to look at it more in detail now with the RR dns. More log:

2013-02-21 01:05:40,078 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 1 peers connected, state changed 1 times
2013-02-21 01:05:40,078 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_connect # Connected to Stratum pool at stratum.btcguild.com:3333
2013-02-21 01:05:40,078 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_connect # Subscribing for mining jobs
2013-02-21 01:05:40,213 INFO proxy client_service.handle_event # Setting new difficulty: 1
2013-02-21 01:05:40,213 INFO proxy client_service.handle_event # New job 7139 for prevhash f68c7fc9, clean_jobs=False
2013-02-21 01:07:40,216 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out
2013-02-21 01:07:40,217 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_disconnect # Disconnected from Stratum pool at stratum.btcguild.com:3333
2013-02-21 01:07:40,217 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 0 peers connected, state changed 1 times
2013-02-21 01:07:43,028 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 1 peers connected, state changed 1 times
2013-02-21 01:07:43,028 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_connect # Connected to Stratum pool at stratum.btcguild.com:3333
2013-02-21 01:07:43,029 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_connect # Subscribing for mining jobs
2013-02-21 01:07:43,162 INFO proxy client_service.handle_event # Setting new difficulty: 1
2013-02-21 01:07:43,163 INFO proxy client_service.handle_event # New job 4304 for prevhash f68c7fc9, clean_jobs=False
2013-02-21 01:09:43,164 ERROR proxy client_service.on_timeout # Connection to upstream pool timed out
2013-02-21 01:09:43,165 INFO proxy mining_proxy.on_disconnect # Disconnected from Stratum pool at stratum.btcguild.com:3333
2013-02-21 01:09:43,165 INFO stats stats.print_stats # 0 peers connected, state changed 1 times

Regarding the fpgaproxy, now got very low stales again. The log file from the proxy look as it should, before during the dupe creeps it stacked the submissions, now its much more flow. Maybe a different server now or it was just the network problems Slush mentioned. In fact seems like the best explanation, thanks slush. I dont worry about it for now, if I see it again I will look closer. But normally I reset the proxies once a month, they are really working well. Thanks again! slush  Smiley

And also big thanks to you eleuthria, things are really working well, knowing that you are on-top of things and make thing better in steps has made me mining here for a long time now.
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February 21, 2013, 12:49:28 AM
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My common response to what appear to be a very local problem (no widespread reports) is the following:

1) If using slush's proxy, consider updating it if you have not done so recently.
2) If using cgminer/bfgminer, consider updating it if you have not done so recently.
3) Try switching from one server to another (stratum.btcguild.com -> de.btcguild.com or vice versa).

So far at least one of those 3 steps tends to solve it for everybody Smiley.

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My common response to what appear to be a very local problem (no widespread reports) is the following:

1) If using slush's proxy, consider updating it if you have not done so recently.
2) If using cgminer/bfgminer, consider updating it if you have not done so recently.
3) Try switching from one server to another (stratum.btcguild.com -> de.btcguild.com or vice versa).

So far at least one of those 3 steps tends to solve it for everybody Smiley.
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Your pool hash rate is at or near what the network hash rate was when I started mining.  That's got to be some kind of milestone.
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