⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[kro55]

Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or
Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

Well, when we look at the states there Messi is far ahead of Lewandowski. But the reason that everyone is saying Lewandowski should have won is maybe because he had really a big impact on his team. And his team always seems to win. Maybe people were thinking more about team performance instead of individual performance.

I agree with you. Lewandowski's role in Bayern Munich is undeniable. Throughout the season, he has performed consistently. And Bayern Munich has won the league title. But what is his role in the national team? How did he play in the polish team? Messi has helped Argentina to win Copa America this year. Considering this aspect, Messi is ahead of Lewandowski.

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[Silberman]

The next fixture is indeed a bit harder for Milan but I guess Liverpool will loosen up something to give some starting eleven players a rest. With the perfect points they got so far, Liverpool has the discretion to give their substitute players a chance to show up.

I hope they didn't, Liverpool is still on fire, when they loosen up the games it could be affected for another game in the premier league. I hope Klopp doesn't change the formation within the full team like usual, Salah still has a chance to create a new record in the champions league. Right now, Salah is the top score in the champions league but it is possible he will defeat Lewandowski with 8 goals. While Milan, only miracle to bring the team to 2nd round, only if Porto vs Atletico ties.

Milan can also move to the next round if they win their game and Atletico Madrid wins as well but they do it while maintaining the same goal difference, so if Milan were to win 1-0 and Atletico were to win 2-1 then the goal difference between the two will remain the same and Milan will move to the next round, still I do not find it likely they will in their next match against Liverpool, because even if we think they could play some of their players on the bench those players will play with everything they have to show they should have a chance to play with the team more often, and that could be more than enough for Milan to not win that game.

[judas]

The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

[KingsDen]

Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or
Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

Well, when we look at the states there Messi is far ahead of Lewandowski. But the reason that everyone is saying Lewandowski should have won is maybe because he had really a big impact on his team. And his team always seems to win. Maybe people were thinking more about team performance instead of individual performance.

I agree with you. Lewandowski's role in Bayern Munich is undeniable. Throughout the season, he has performed consistently. And Bayern Munich has won the league title. But what is his role in the national team? How did he play in the polish team? Messi has helped Argentina to win Copa America this year. Considering this aspect, Messi is ahead of Lewandowski.

I have keenly looked into the Balloon d'or in recent years and it is highly politicised. Every year new standards keep coming in order to incorporate their favourite. I remember the year Messi underperformed, that was the prime year of Harzard in Chelsea. 1st eleven standard was changed to incorporate him.
Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?
Let me patiently wait for 17th January because I'm tired of this Paris award.

[Igebotz]

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

I am even starting to lose faith in FIFA altogether because it is now being controlled by some money-seeking politicians and people in power. Just look at where the last World Cup was hosted and where the World Cup is going to take place this time and I think you will understand.

Everything now revolves around money, therefore it's no surprise that FIFA is focusing on just accepting countries with vast financial resources willing to invest in the organization. Gone are the days when world up hosting choices were made solely on the basis of merit.

I have keenly looked into the Balloon d'or in recent years and it is highly politicised. Every year new standards keep coming in order to incorporate their favourite. I remember the year Messi underperformed, that was the prime year of Harzard in Chelsea. 1st eleven standard was changed to incorporate him.

Yes, he was in fine form, but as a Chelsea fan, I must tell you that dribbling alone will not get you a shot at the Ballon d'Or; you must also score a lot of goals, which is something Hazard lacks, less than 20 goals in the Champions League in his whole Chelsea career. I recall Fabrigas telling Hazard that if he wanted to win the Balon d'Or, he needed to improve his goal scoring rate. To have a chance, you'll need both goals and individual performance.

Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

With the current average Barcelona squad, Messi won laliga top scorer, most assists, and Lali ga MVP last season. Messi will make the current Polish team look like prime France, which is why he is the best.

[TopT3ns]

The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

Last match we know who will be the leader of group H both Chelsea and Juventus have the same points right now just last match become proof who will be leader in this group. Every club will try to be leader on group stage because on next stage not get heavy team, but as second or runner up position will faced with leader on other group and make easy to faced with Manchester City, Bayern, Madrid, Liverpool and who team have qualify as leader on each group stage.

[blue Snow]

The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

Just goal different, Both confirmed to the next round, but when they want to avoid meet the winner another group, Chelsea and Juventus must win.
I also doubt Chelsea and Juventus will arrive in the semifinal. I heard the rumors, for this session Chelsea will be focusing on the premier league, the owner has ambitions for the 2021-2022 title. while Juventus as we can see how they very great difficulty for this year.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

Messi is not a player of the Polish team, so it is not reasonable to question whether he will qualify for the group stage with a Polish player. Messi wins Copa America with Argentina This is his big achievement. Argentina has not won a title in a long time. Moreover, Messi has been the best scorer in Copa America. This is a big achievement for the national team Messi. Lewandowski did not play well with the national team. Maybe his squad is not good. But at the end of the day he failed in the national team. It must be accepted.

[hahay]

It looks like bad luck is for Barcelona because apart from having to play away, the opponent he will face is Bayern Munich which is one of the strongest teams in Europe. Also, this is the ultimate match that requires Barcelona to win to be able to ensure qualification, as Benfica looks like it is certain to win against Kyiv. Even in the past, when Barcelona were at their best, the fact that Bayern Munich could still beat Barcelona, I can't imagine what the final result will be like. I'm sure Bayern Munich will continue to play with a meaningful professional, they will stay serious and I'm not sure Xavi will be able to bring Barcelona to victory because for a draw it looks like it's still difficult for Barcelona to get.

[laurenB7742]

It looks like bad luck is for Barcelona because apart from having to play away, the opponent he will face is Bayern Munich which is one of the strongest teams in Europe. Also, this is the ultimate match that requires Barcelona to win to be able to ensure qualification, as Benfica looks like it is certain to win against Kyiv. Even in the past, when Barcelona were at their best, the fact that Bayern Munich could still beat Barcelona, I can't imagine what the final result will be like. I'm sure Bayern Munich will continue to play with a meaningful professional, they will stay serious and I'm not sure Xavi will be able to bring Barcelona to victory because for a draw it looks like it's still difficult for Barcelona to get.

The match will be tough for Barcelona if Bayern Munich form their full strength main squad. However, since this is not an important match for Bayern Ray. So Bayern's coach might even give a break to their key players. If the key players are not in the squad then Barcelona has a good chance of winning. Benfica, on the other hand, will play against Kyve. It looks like Benfica will win, but Kyve will definitely fight. Predicting such matches is often wrong.

[Strongkored]

Barcelona are facing a difficult situation, it will be tough for them to beat Bayern Munich and even draw is quite doubtful, they don't have good stats away with Bayern and that was when they still have the best squad. Bad results at the start of the season make them very likely to be eliminated from the UCL this season.

[Congyang]

In fact, I hope Liverpool will continue to appear with their main players, apart from the match against Milan there will be no effect at all because Liverpool's 15 points cannot be pursued by other teams. If Liverpool beat Milan the match between Porto versus Atletico Madrid is a game that is quite important like a final, whoever wins will qualify for the next round.

This will be difficult because their performance is very much different, Especially if we look at AC Milan's last 5 matches in all competitions, They can only win the match against athletico and after that nothing else. In contrast to the Liverpool match which is so overpowered.
I myself really doubt they beat Liverpool in this match.

Basically Liverpool must prioritize the EPL for now, because in the UCL Liverpool have definitely qualified. If later against Milan, Liverpool is still targeting 3 points, then obviously Liverpool prefers to prioritize their prestige in the UCL which I don't think is important for now. Because after all, after Milan was able to win away yesterday against Atlético, at least Milan again has hope of being able to qualify and so also in the last match against Liverpool of course Milan will fight hard to win at the San Siro.

Even though Liverpool's priority is currently in the EPL because the competition there is still fierce and their position is still not safe when compared to the UCL table, but I don't think Liverpool will want to come to the Giuseppe Meazza which is thousands of miles away hoping to lose.
I think even if they play the second tier and make some of their core players on the bench, but they will at least be able to make a draw and even win is very possible.

[D-law]

Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

Messi is not a player of the Polish team, so it is not reasonable to question whether he will qualify for the group stage with a Polish player. Messi wins Copa America with Argentina This is his big achievement. Argentina has not won a title in a long time. Moreover, Messi has been the best scorer in Copa America. This is a big achievement for the national team Messi. Lewandowski did not play well with the national team. Maybe his squad is not good. But at the end of the day he failed in the national team. It must be accepted.

But then Jorginho won the Champions League, European competition recently held and hosted by England also scoring the highest goals for Chelsea last season... although seven of those was penalties.
I'll be totally upset if I'm Lewandoski.
Should it be that, because Messi is currently in France it's a direct win for him. ?....it simply biased decisions from the host.
Lewan deserves it better.

[S4VV4S]

In fact, I hope Liverpool will continue to appear with their main players, apart from the match against Milan there will be no effect at all because Liverpool's 15 points cannot be pursued by other teams. If Liverpool beat Milan the match between Porto versus Atletico Madrid is a game that is quite important like a final, whoever wins will qualify for the next round.

This will be difficult because their performance is very much different, Especially if we look at AC Milan's last 5 matches in all competitions, They can only win the match against athletico and after that nothing else. In contrast to the Liverpool match which is so overpowered.
I myself really doubt they beat Liverpool in this match.

Basically Liverpool must prioritize the EPL for now, because in the UCL Liverpool have definitely qualified. If later against Milan, Liverpool is still targeting 3 points, then obviously Liverpool prefers to prioritize their prestige in the UCL which I don't think is important for now. Because after all, after Milan was able to win away yesterday against Atlético, at least Milan again has hope of being able to qualify and so also in the last match against Liverpool of course Milan will fight hard to win at the San Siro.

Even though Liverpool's priority is currently in the EPL because the competition there is still fierce and their position is still not safe when compared to the UCL table, but I don't think Liverpool will want to come to the Giuseppe Meazza which is thousands of miles away hoping to lose.
I think even if they play the second tier and make some of their core players on the bench, but they will at least be able to make a draw and even win is very possible.

The Premier League is the most competitive competition today and all teams from the Premier League are group winners in the champions league. Manchester City managed to come out as winners of group A beating PSG, then Liverpool even won 5 wins in 5 champions league matches and became champions in group B, leaving only Chelsea and Manchester United who had already qualified for the round of 16 to determine the group winners in their last match. - each team.

[Webetcoins]

Interesting odds before the final round:

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This surprises me very much. Atlético has obvious chances to advance to the next stage - why such a strange odds?

These odd indicating their current form which is worst in recent Champions League matches as they lost against Liverpool at home and away games and then lost against AC Milan at home they already have draw against Porto so probably most people's feeling now in away game they have very few chances of win and having to be in knock out stage where Porto is clearly favorite even they are playing draw against them at home on other side peoples feeling it's not easy for AC Milan to beat Liverpool at home with 100% record in Champions League.

But these all are just predictions and personal views still many things possible like AC Milan can lose at home and Atlético Madrid can win to go through now we have very few days all outcomes will happen in front of us lets wait and watch. .

[poldanmig]

Barcelona are facing a difficult situation, it will be tough for them to beat Bayern Munich and even draw is quite doubtful, they don't have good stats away with Bayern and that was when they still have the best squad. Bad results at the start of the season make them very likely to be eliminated from the UCL this season.

Barcelona have a life and death match to determine their qualification this season, and they must win against bayern munchen later in the final match of the group phase,  I think facing bayern münchen is not an easy job for barcelona this season, although bayern münchen already have a ticket to qualified but of course they don't want to be humiliated at home later, so surely Bayern Munich will also at least play as usual to maintain their perfect record later.
BTW, I heard the news that later matches will be played in Germany without spectators, including the match between Bayern Munich and Barcelona which will be threatened without spectators, because the German authorities said they would again tighten the regulations due to the corona pandemic which is increasing in the country.

[bitzizzix]

Barcelona are facing a difficult situation, it will be tough for them to beat Bayern Munich and even draw is quite doubtful, they don't have good stats away with Bayern and that was when they still have the best squad. Bad results at the start of the season make them very likely to be eliminated from the UCL this season.

After a 0-0 draw against Benfica which they could have won now Barcelona are in a very difficult situation, and Barcelona must win in their last game against Bayern Munich to ensure qualification for the last 16.

and it seems everyone can judge the performance of both teams during the match who is the best and Bayern Munich will be the favourites, and besides they will still field their best squad which I think Barcelona will be difficult to win even for a draw it seems not easy.
it looks like Benfica will accompany Bayern Munich who won Group E to the last 16 because Benfica against Dynamo Kiev will definitely win.

[diderdrogba]

The Group B is really tense now. Liverpool have won all of their games so far and their position is very comfortable. The real competition is going on between Milan, Atletico Madrid and Porto. These teams all still have a chance to advance. The last games are: Milan v Liverpool, Porto v Atletico Madrid. I'm favoring Milan and Atletico in these games. Liverpool are already safe and they wouldn't make a big effort in this game I guess. Milan would benefit from this chance and defeat them. They made Liverpool big difficulties before too. And Atletico Madrid are powerful enough to defeat Porto. Maybe their previous game ended up with a 0-0 draw but I don't expect a similar thing to happen again.

[Zilon]

The Group B is really tense now. Liverpool have won all of their games so far and their position is very comfortable. The real competition is going on between Milan, Atletico Madrid and Porto. These teams all still have a chance to advance. The last games are: Milan v Liverpool, Porto v Atletico Madrid. I'm favoring Milan and Atletico in these games. Liverpool are already safe and they wouldn't make a big effort in this game I guess. Milan would benefit from this chance and defeat them. They made Liverpool big difficulties before too. And Atletico Madrid are powerful enough to defeat Porto. Maybe their previous game ended up with a 0-0 draw but I don't expect a similar thing to happen again.

Its not really about who needs the point most between Liverpool and Milan its a game of who controls the ball best and who makes better use of their chances. Both Milan and Liverpool either of the team would win. I will get two slips for the match then predict a straight win for Athletico Madrid even though it wouldn't be too easy playing against porto

[Daniel91]

Barcelona are facing a difficult situation, it will be tough for them to beat Bayern Munich and even draw is quite doubtful, they don't have good stats away with Bayern and that was when they still have the best squad. Bad results at the start of the season make them very likely to be eliminated from the UCL this season.

After a 0-0 draw against Benfica which they could have won now Barcelona are in a very difficult situation, and Barcelona must win in their last game against Bayern Munich to ensure qualification for the last 16.

and it seems everyone can judge the performance of both teams during the match who is the best and Bayern Munich will be the favourites, and besides they will still field their best squad which I think Barcelona will be difficult to win even for a draw it seems not easy.
it looks like Benfica will accompany Bayern Munich who won Group E to the last 16 because Benfica against Dynamo Kiev will definitely win.

Barcelona is in a very difficult situation now and no longer depends only on itself but also on other clubs.
For Bayern, the match with Barcelona means nothing in terms of results and their coach may decide to rest some key players and thus maybe help Barcelona.
This is a key game of the season for Barcelona because if they fail to win second place in the group and continue to compete in the Champions League, it will be a huge psychological and financial shock for the whole club.
Realistically, the Europa League is a second-class and less important competition, which big clubs generally want to avoid if they can.