Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[YinShuiSiYuan]

I am not going to deny the fact that Australia has an advantage over West Indies in the test format. But I would still argue that the series may be competitive. Now coming to the series between Australia and South Africa, it is essentially going to be a battle between the Australian batsmen and South African pacers. The Australians have some of the best test batsmen, such as Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne. And the Proteas have some of the best pacers in Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada and Marco Jansen.

Australia is a team that has focused more on test and odi then on t20 format. Result is you can see Australia good performance in test all around the world. While West Indies is a team that is only capable of playing t20 format. The way West Indies is going I am sure they will lose test status very soon.

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[dezoel]

If we were talking about the T20 format, I would have said that Australia is going to be given a stiff fight by the West Indies. But since we are talking about test cricket, I don't think Australia is going to be having a competitive series with the West Indies. There is no doubt that Australia is a better team. However, if I remember correctly, the West Indies did quite well against England a few days ago. So I believe that Westindies might actually give Australia a good fight. But the match is going to be played in Australia. That's what makes me think that Australia is going to win for sure.

With regard to the Australia versus South Africa matchup, this is more of a close contest than anything else. I think this is going to be a battle of fast bowling between both teams. I am quite interested to see how fast the pitches are going to be.

Now as recently many top class players already having retirement from West Indies national players, and they have mostly new blood they are not capable of having good fight against top ranked teams because they are now out of competition with their experienced players which were good for them but right now they have no enough quality even I was reading now they are worried of Zimbabwe, Ireland and Scotland in T-20 format, so they are down and out without any long talk in all formats, and they are responsible for this failure as they had never been going with time and never develop their domestic system for having quality players in future which is surely the biggest failure for them and their game.

Test format is surely near death because they need domestic setup and good time for having better results, and they have nothing right now with most of the players are tying to have franchise contracts, and they can't give time to this format very few players are capable of playing domestic games, but these are not worthy for them.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Test format is surely near death because they need domestic setup and good time for having better results, and they have nothing right now with most of the players are tying to have franchise contracts, and they can't give time to this format very few players are capable of playing domestic games, but these are not worthy for them.

There is no doubt that future of cricket is in T20 and test along with odi have little in days to come. T20 format has taken cricket close to football where game is finished in short span of time. No one has time these days to spend 5 full days watching cricket of test.

[Webetcoins]

Test format is surely near death because they need domestic setup and good time for having better results, and they have nothing right now with most of the players are tying to have franchise contracts, and they can't give time to this format very few players are capable of playing domestic games, but these are not worthy for them.

There is no doubt that future of cricket is in T20 and test along with odi have little in days to come. T20 format has taken cricket close to football where game is finished in short span of time. No one has time these days to spend 5 full days watching cricket of test.

I agreed with you about this now future of cricket is in T-20 and Franchise cricket but keep one thing in mind Test cricket is not going anywhere in next forty to fifty years because this is still the best format and have his own beauty which is not match able with any other format and few countries are going to be protected this one for long time even we will have some cut from few small boards, but one thing is surely we are going to watch this format for long time without any doubt.

Specially top six nations like Australia, England, India, New Zealand, South Africa and Pakistan are going to be in for long time as they have enough quality and structure for this which is going to protect even we can expect some changes but still this format is not going anywhere in next half century.

[Naficopa]

I agreed with you about this now future of cricket is in T-20 and Franchise cricket but keep one thing in mind Test cricket is not going anywhere in next forty to fifty years because this is still the best format and have his own beauty which is not match able with any other format and few countries are going to be protected this one for long time even we will have some cut from few small boards, but one thing is surely we are going to watch this format for long time without any doubt.

Specially top six nations like Australia, England, India, New Zealand, South Africa and Pakistan are going to be in for long time as they have enough quality and structure for this which is going to protect even we can expect some changes but still this format is not going anywhere in next half century.

People don't have time for long series - they love sports but they want to have it quick
The colourful uniform and the quick overs and quick decisions - that excites the people . . .
i would add Srilanka to the top teams as well they have won Asia Cup just recently

[Sithara007]

People don't have time for long series - they love sports but they want to have it quick
The colourful uniform and the quick overs and quick decisions - that excites the people . . .
i would add Srilanka to the top teams as well they have won Asia Cup just recently

Oh god.. definitely not Sri Lanka. One tournament win can't take away all the poor performance from the last decade or so. Sri Lanka is one of the worst performing tier-1 test nations, and it is clear from the points table for both the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League, and the ICC World Test Championship 2021-2023. And let's not forget the fact that they failed to gain direct qualification for the 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup. They are one of the two tier-1 test nations who will be participating in the qualifier stage (other being West Indies).

[rojan]

I am not going to deny the fact that Australia has an advantage over West Indies in the test format. But I would still argue that the series may be competitive. Now coming to the series between Australia and South Africa, it is essentially going to be a battle between the Australian batsmen and South African pacers. The Australians have some of the best test batsmen, such as Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne. And the Proteas have some of the best pacers in Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada and Marco Jansen.

Australia is a team that has focused more on test and odi then on t20 format. Result is you can see Australia good performance in test all around the world. While West Indies is a team that is only capable of playing t20 format. The way West Indies is going I am sure they will lose test status very soon.

Australia now try hard to play better than before. They play well in almost every match now. Australia but in T20 they have some players because of which Australia team win very easily. They play well in every match.  Batting and bowling they have everything they have become such a good team. If Australia can play like this then Australia can do a lot better.

[lixer]

Australia is a team that has focused more on test and odi then on t20 format. Result is you can see Australia good performance in test all around the world. While West Indies is a team that is only capable of playing t20 format. The way West Indies is going I am sure they will lose test status very soon.

Australia now try hard to play better than before. They play well in almost every match now. Australia but in T20 they have some players because of which Australia team win very easily. They play well in every match.  Batting and bowling they have everything they have become such a good team. If Australia can play like this then Australia can do a lot better.

Australian system is one of the best in cricketing world just because of this in recent form they have never been out of the top rank from any format and their quality is also stable with having few outstanding players which can do good in any situation even sometime they faced few issues but their ability to fight back is also good, so they can learn from their mistakes very quickly.

Now a long season at home is waiting for them so most chances they could be at the top of their game with this all specially now T20 World Cup and then test series against South Africa is surely going to be big test for them where they need to do good in currently squad they have few quality fast bowlers and quality batsmen like Steve Smith and Labuschagne which are surely at the top of their game.

[Sithara007]

Australia now try hard to play better than before. They play well in almost every match now. Australia but in T20 they have some players because of which Australia team win very easily. They play well in every match.  Batting and bowling they have everything they have become such a good team. If Australia can play like this then Australia can do a lot better.

Australia's performance is dependent on a few players, such as Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne, Pat Cummins and Mitchell Starc. And none of these players seems to be in peak form right now. Cameron Green is rapidly emerging as a key player, but it needs to be seen whether he has the ability to perform consistently (especially in test format). Absence of a quality spinner has been an issue for many years now. Nathan Lyon is simply not international quality material. Lack of form from David Warner is another weak point.

[Juggy777]

Australia is a team that has focused more on test and odi then on t20 format. Result is you can see Australia good performance in test all around the world. While West Indies is a team that is only capable of playing t20 format. The way West Indies is going I am sure they will lose test status very soon.

Australia now try hard to play better than before. They play well in almost every match now. Australia but in T20 they have some players because of which Australia team win very easily. They play well in every match.  Batting and bowling they have everything they have become such a good team. If Australia can play like this then Australia can do a lot better.

Australian system is one of the best in cricketing world just because of this in recent form they have never been out of the top rank from any format and their quality is also stable with having few outstanding players which can do good in any situation even sometime they faced few issues but their ability to fight back is also good, so they can learn from their mistakes very quickly.

Now a long season at home is waiting for them so most chances they could be at the top of their game with this all specially now T20 World Cup and then test series against South Africa is surely going to be big test for them where they need to do good in currently squad they have few quality fast bowlers and quality batsmen like Steve Smith and Labuschagne which are surely at the top of their game.

@lixer I personally feel that a lot changed for Australia after the sandpaper gate incident, and it showed in their recent performances that their win at all cost attitude has gone and now they try to win more naturally. Furthermore WI can’t survive in a test match against Australia, hence I’m expecting the odds to be very low on Australia because one can easily make lots of money while wagering on them.

[JSRAW]

@lixer I personally feel that a lot changed for Australia after the sandpaper gate incident, and it showed in their recent performances that their win at all cost attitude has gone and now they try to win more naturally. Furthermore WI can’t survive in a test match against Australia, hence I’m expecting the odds to be very low on Australia because one can easily make lots of money while wagering on them.

Indian greed, Australian arrogance, and British entitlement would never go away.

Things might look calmer for some time but this is the core base for PIG-3. Having said that, Aussies are doing a lot of damage control and giving a subtle indication that they have changed but in a longer run, I doubt that.

Windies hardly visit Australia regularly and it does affect the performance due to adaptability so it would be a tough tour for Windies.

[Sithara007]

Indian greed, Australian arrogance, and British entitlement would never go away.

Things might look calmer for some time but this is the core base for PIG-3. Having said that, Aussies are doing a lot of damage control and giving a subtle indication that they have changed but in a longer run, I doubt that.

Windies hardly visit Australia regularly and it does affect the performance due to adaptability so it would be a tough tour for Windies.

I remember a tour by Australia to West Indies almost two decades back (2003?). Ramnaresh Sarwan had a big fight with Glen McGrath, after the former gave McGrath some of his own medicine in sledging. But that tour didn't went well for West Indies. They suffered some heavy defeats despite the presence of legends such as Brian Lara, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Chris Gayle. Australia won the test series 3-1 (in the fourth match Sarwan scored a century in second innings and West Indies successfully chased down a target of 418).

[JSRAW]

I remember a tour by Australia to West Indies almost two decades back (2003?). Ramnaresh Sarwan had a big fight with Glen McGrath, after the former gave McGrath some of his own medicine in sledging. But that tour didn't went well for West Indies. They suffered some heavy defeats despite the presence of legends such as Brian Lara, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Chris Gayle. Australia won the test series 3-1 (in the fourth match Sarwan scored a century in second innings and West Indies successfully chased down a target of 418).

Yeah, I've read that story.

McGrath was blabbing nasty things about Sarwan's wife and when in return Sarwan commented on McGrath's wife, he got angry because at that time his wife was struggling with cancer. Which Sarwan wasn't aware of, he had to say sorry afterward.

[romero121]

Australia now try hard to play better than before. They play well in almost every match now. Australia but in T20 they have some players because of which Australia team win very easily. They play well in every match.  Batting and bowling they have everything they have become such a good team. If Australia can play like this then Australia can do a lot better.

Australia's performance is dependent on a few players, such as Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne, Pat Cummins and Mitchell Starc. And none of these players seems to be in peak form right now. Cameron Green is rapidly emerging as a key player, but it needs to be seen whether he has the ability to perform consistently (especially in test format). Absence of a quality spinner has been an issue for many years now. Nathan Lyon is simply not international quality material. Lack of form from David Warner is another weak point.

These key players have their contribution in all formats of cricket. The height of Green is an added advantage for him. In the recent T20 match he performed well. Once after Warner Australia haven't got a good spinner who have the ability to change the match. In most of the matches Smith takes role as a spinner.

[JSRAW]

These key players have their contribution in all formats of cricket. The height of Green is an added advantage for him. In the recent T20 match he performed well. Once after Warner Australia haven't got a good spinner who have the ability to change the match. In most of the matches Smith takes role as a spinner.

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.
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[SirLancelot]

These key players have their contribution in all formats of cricket. The height of Green is an added advantage for him. In the recent T20 match he performed well. Once after Warner Australia haven't got a good spinner who have the ability to change the match. In most of the matches Smith takes role as a spinner.

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.
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Here I agree with you mostly they hyped their players even they are not good enough at this level but right now they are doing things like these just for having them a good contract in IPL because this hype can give this player Cameron Green big amount which is also fruitful for CricAustralia.

Aussies history is also not good in this gentlemen game they have too many controversies on and off the field with many teams, and they have never been feel shame about this because they are feeling they are best in this all business, but surely I was proud on Arjuna Ranatunga when he gives them good lesson about their history and culture which is also needed to be remembered. Just after few innings we can't compare Green with Kallis it needs very long time and performances like legendary Kallis which he gives for his country in difficult conditions, and they were one of the best team in world.

[Minecache]

These key players have their contribution in all formats of cricket. The height of Green is an added advantage for him. In the recent T20 match he performed well. Once after Warner Australia haven't got a good spinner who have the ability to change the match. In most of the matches Smith takes role as a spinner.

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.

Hate to be the naysayer but really don't think that is going to happen. But Donald Green is only 23 years old and he has a lot of time ahead of him. The way Australia is trying to nurture this kid, I am not going to be surprised if he actually becomes one of the best players in the world.

But as of now, I don't think he is going to be the Henry Kallis of Australia. And with the shorter formats of cricket being more popular day by day which is going to be a tough job for this kid to live up to the expectation.

[KennyR]

These key players have their contribution in all formats of cricket. The height of Green is an added advantage for him. In the recent T20 match he performed well. Once after Warner Australia haven't got a good spinner who have the ability to change the match. In most of the matches Smith takes role as a spinner.

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.

Hate to be the naysayer but really don't think that is going to happen. But Donald Green is only 23 years old and he has a lot of time ahead of him. The way Australia is trying to nurture this kid, I am not going to be surprised if he actually becomes one of the best players in the world.

But as of now, I don't think he is going to be the Henry Kallis of Australia. And with the shorter formats of cricket being more popular day by day which is going to be a tough job for this kid to live up to the expectation.

Yes, Donald Green have got more time to make himself strong in cricket and make records. Getting turned to be a key player is not an easy thing. A key player will be provided opportunity in the squad amidst his performance shortage. I don't think he'll get such an opportunity in the Australian team.

[Sithara007]

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.

LOL... give the kid a bit more time. He is just 23 years old, and already he has performed at a level better than many of the oldies in the team. Now we can't compare a lot of players with Kallis. Jacques Kallis was an absolute legend and he was one of the reasons why South Africa very nearly became the no.1 team during the late 1990s and early 2000s (and the CSA killed the team later with their stupid quota policies).

So far Cam Green averages 36 with the bat and 32 with the ball in test format. As long as the batting average remains higher than the bowling average, he will be a good inclusion to the Australian team.

[JSRAW]

Not going to lie, Green still seems big fraud in test cricket. He might be useful in filling the gap of an all rounder but I still didn't see any impact, for some reason Aussie experts rate him very high and continuously back him.

In limited T-20 exposure, he showed extremely good temperament but he was supposed to be the next Jacques Kallis for Australia according to Aussie. Hope I'm wrong and he surpasses the great Kallis.

LOL... give the kid a bit more time. He is just 23 years old, and already he has performed at a level better than many of the oldies in the team. Now we can't compare a lot of players with Kallis. Jacques Kallis was an absolute legend and he was one of the reasons why South Africa very nearly became the no.1 team during the late 1990s and early 2000s (and the CSA killed the team later with their stupid quota policies).

So far Cam Green averages 36 with the bat and 32 with the ball in test format. As long as the batting average remains higher than the bowling average, he will be a good inclusion to the Australian team.

I actually like him as a batter, I think he's pretty solid for the lower middle order.

But the problem comes when he bowls and every Aussie commentator, I mean literally everyone starts comparing him with Kallis like he's a finished product. Noticing this trend from his debut against India.

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Here I agree with you mostly they hyped their players even they are not good enough at this level but right now they are doing things like these just for having them a good contract in IPL because this hype can give this player Cameron Green big amount which is also fruitful for CricAustralia.

Not sure about this Bhai as they are only hyping him in test cricket, not T-20.

Franchises are not that dumb and hardly fall for such things as nowadays they hire scouts to keep an eye on rising talent. I think if any foreign player needs an IPL contract then he has to perform well against the Indian team. The way Green batted against India in the T-20, I think some franchise might be interested in him.