Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.

Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

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[Naficopa]

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Due to t20 cricket fast bowlers can't play test cricket continuously. These days we have T20 everywhere, in leagues, tri series, bilateral series. Pakistan is the first country that comes in the mind when we talk about fast bowlers and you pointed out rightly that's one of hottest region in the world.

[pakhitheboss]

Fast bowlers are a rare breed these days. In my opinion, most bowlers avoid being fast in order to increase their sporting life. I still remember the fear in the batter's eye if any of the mentioned bowlers come to bowl. They were really very fast at that time. The demand for hitters has reduced such batsmen in this era of cricket. I think from India Shubhman Gill can become one of them in the future.

Reducing the run-up and pace doesn't guarantee injury-free career. Look at the case of Jasprit Bumrah. He is having such a short run-up (even Ganguly had a longer one), and still ended up injured. On the other hand, bowlers such as James Anderson never gets injured, despite the lengthy run-up. Outside sub-continent, the bowling domain is still dominated by fast bowlers. I don't know much about Shubhman Gill. His batting style seems to be very different from that of Chanderpaul or Dravid.

India does have a fast bowler, Umran Malik. He has proven in IPal tha he can bowl above 150kmph. I am not sure why the selectors or the team management are not giving him more opportunities. He needs more experience to improve his balling abilities. Shubman Gill is a combo pack he can stand like a wall and when required he can go after the bowlers.

[Ayers]

Fast bowlers are a rare breed these days. In my opinion, most bowlers avoid being fast in order to increase their sporting life. I still remember the fear in the batter's eye if any of the mentioned bowlers come to bowl. They were really very fast at that time. The demand for hitters has reduced such batsmen in this era of cricket. I think from India Shubhman Gill can become one of them in the future.

Reducing the run-up and pace doesn't guarantee injury-free career. Look at the case of Jasprit Bumrah. He is having such a short run-up (even Ganguly had a longer one), and still ended up injured. On the other hand, bowlers such as James Anderson never gets injured, despite the lengthy run-up. Outside sub-continent, the bowling domain is still dominated by fast bowlers. I don't know much about Shubhman Gill. His batting style seems to be very different from that of Chanderpaul or Dravid.

India does have a fast bowler, Umran Malik. He has proven in IPal tha he can bowl above 150kmph. I am not sure why the selectors or the team management are not giving him more opportunities. He needs more experience to improve his balling abilities. Shubman Gill is a combo pack he can stand like a wall and when required he can go after the bowlers.

There is no doubt that Umran Malik has some really good pace, but I don't think his accuracy is up to scratch. That is probably why the selectors have taken so long to give him a chance and are still delaying. As far as I am concerned, I think they are doing the right thing by developing this player into a beast. Therefore, when they introduce this player in the color of blue, it will be unexpected for the opponent, so they will have a hard time facing him. It is important to note that the injury problem will be an issue for any team in the subcontinent and not just India. It is unlikely that reducing the runup is going to be able to help the bowlers avoid injuries in the long run.

[n0ne]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.

Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Whether conditions doesn't have anything to do with the bowling speed. Maybe a little of things can change depending on the whether. The speed generation is much connected to the wrist power and the bowling action. Some used to run a very short distance and generate good pace which are much about the wrist action and not the weather.

[justdimin]

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Whether conditions doesn't have anything to do with the bowling speed. Maybe a little of things can change depending on the whether. The speed generation is much connected to the wrist power and the bowling action. Some used to run a very short distance and generate good pace which are much about the wrist action and not the weather.

In last two decades now we can say India having few quality pace bowlers which are doing amazing job even they have no enough speed but accuracy and line length is surely giving them good results which is good for them in all conditions as we all know two decades back there was no fast bowling trend in India as mostly players were happy with spin and batting but Kapil and few other youngsters start in these all conditions, and now they are able to have enough firepower which is good and giving best results.

Here BCCI needs to praise two persons specially first MRF and secondly Denis Lille this combo done good and now IPL is completely game changer as many are looking for spot and trying with their own way which is also positive development.

[coinerer]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.

Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Whether conditions doesn't have anything to do with the bowling speed. Maybe a little of things can change depending on the whether. The speed generation is much connected to the wrist power and the bowling action. Some used to run a very short distance and generate good pace which are much about the wrist action and not the weather.

Yes absolutely, weather condition and bowling speed both are different things. Due to the weather, the players may have to work harder to play on the field. But weather conditions never impact on bowling speed. Bowlers who have more speed can maintain their speed in any conditions. Basically the speed of the bowler depends on their body strength and wrist power.

[Maidak]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.
Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Your argument is purely logical as well. So does that mean that the actual talented players who have great physical attributes are not coming forward to play for the team?

Indian people are very hard-working. In addition to that, they also like to push their bodies to their limits. In some cases, that can also be a cause of injury. It is a known fact that fast bowling and leg-spin bowling go against the natural movement of the human body, which might be another reason. But a reason that actually makes sense is that the bowlers from Australia, New Zealand, and Pakistan are actually practicing so well and keeping in shape so well. As a result, when it comes to delivering in the actual match, they do not face any issues. There is no doubt that Indian bowlers practice a lot; however, they also often get injured.

[JSRAW]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.

Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Another major factor is the cricketing culture and role models of respective countries.

India has a batting and Spin culture that's why India has produced many great batters and a ridiculous amount of spinners. In India, it's Legendary Gavaskar, Sachin, and countless other role models. Similarly, in Pakistan Great Immi, Waqar, Wasim bhai, and Shoiab are inspirational figures.

[Juggy777]

Actually, the problem is that in the subcontinent the weather and pitch are not best suited for fast bowling. This is one of the major reasons why even a lot of really proficient fast bowlers are getting injured a lot more often, despite their talent. The fact that the bowler has a short distance to run up to the pitch is not going to benefit him in any way either.

Actually, I think it can cause a lot more arm and shoulder injuries to the bowler because with a short runup a bowler has to put in more shoulder power to produce pace. But on the other hand, with a long runup the bowler has a lot more momentum to generate speed. It is not really the runup that is the main reason why a lot of bowlers are getting injured, it is the mechanics of the bowl. I actually think that it is more about the rhythm and the follow-through of the bowler.

I don't think that the weather conditions play a major role in the fitness of fast bowlers. But it is true that the hot and humid conditions in sub-continent is more suitable for spinners. Anyway, Pakistan has produced some of the most famous pace bowlers in history, so this argument can't be 100% true. Even India has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now. Australia, which has produced some of the fastest pace bowlers in history such as Brett Lee and Geoff Thompson, is more hot and humid when compared to the sub-continent.

Another major factor is the cricketing culture and role models of respective countries.

India has a batting and Spin culture that's why India has produced many great batters and a ridiculous amount of spinners. In India, it's Legendary Gavaskar, Sachin, and countless other role models. Similarly, in Pakistan Great Immi, Waqar, Wasim bhai, and Shoiab are inspirational figures.

@JSRAW while it’s true that India has produced more spinner’s, but it was a medium pace bowler that sealed their 2007 World Cup win. Furthermore Bumrah is one of the best fast bowler I have seen in recent year’s, and I hope that his performances inspires BCCI, Indian fans to back fast bowler’s because Bumrah has shown that fast bowler’s too can exploit the Indian conditions and win matches for their team.

[TheGreatPython]

while it’s true that India has produced more spinner’s, but it was a medium pace bowler that sealed their 2007 World Cup win. Furthermore Bumrah is one of the best fast bowler I have seen in recent year’s, and I hope that his performances inspires BCCI, Indian fans to back fast bowler’s because Bumrah has shown that fast bowler’s too can exploit the Indian conditions and win matches for their team.

In last two decades we have few good changes in Indian cricket as now quality is improved for medium fast bowlers and attitude is also having positive impact on them as well because few bowlers have good success and this completely change the trend even still batting and spin is at the top but with these now many youngsters are trying to have success like Kapil Dev so batting with medium fast is something special with Ishant Sharma, Zaheer Khan and now Jaspirat Bumrah and Mohammad Shami are also bringing good success.

With the help of new format T20 many youngsters are enjoying this all because they feel doing just four overs is much better than having hard and long days in test which is not going far behind for them culture could be same but surely positive changes could be brought good things for Indian cricket and fast bowling department.

[Naficopa]

In last two decades we have few good changes in Indian cricket as now quality is improved for medium fast bowlers and attitude is also having positive impact on them as well because few bowlers have good success and this completely change the trend even still batting and spin is at the top but with these now many youngsters are trying to have success like Kapil Dev so batting with medium fast is something special with Ishant Sharma, Zaheer Khan and now Jaspirat Bumrah and Mohammad Shami are also bringing good success.

With the help of new format T20 many youngsters are enjoying this all because they feel doing just four overs is much better than having hard and long days in test which is not going far behind for them culture could be same but surely positive changes could be brought good things for Indian cricket and fast bowling department.

In test matches a bowler has unlimited overs where he can prove his worth. While in T20 a bowler has only 4 overs to prove himself. I don't know how players will cope up with these three different formats. I don't think many players will be interested in test in years to come.

[dezoel]

In test matches a bowler has unlimited overs where he can prove his worth. While in T20 a bowler has only 4 overs to prove himself. I don't know how players will cope up with these three different formats. I don't think many players will be interested in test in years to come.

This is your personal statement but still domestic set up is key for this all and many youths can go into this format because they have good chance and very good salary which is also important part of this all with this all can't be adjusted in 20/twenty format because every thing is having limit so many surely will be happy to join this test format and enjoy their game even with better stamina and quality which is very important in this test format.

With the introduction of 20/twenty format we have good changes in test matches as well with mostly it's going to be ended in three or four days which is also good fast game with good entertainment India surely can produce good number of bowlers now with their sources just need better environment and culture which give these youths good chance.

[Minecache]

In test matches a bowler has unlimited overs where he can prove his worth. While in T20 a bowler has only 4 overs to prove himself. I don't know how players will cope up with these three different formats. I don't think many players will be interested in test in years to come.

This is your personal statement but still domestic set up is key for this all and many youths can go into this format because they have good chance and very good salary which is also important part of this all with this all can't be adjusted in 20/twenty format because every thing is having limit so many surely will be happy to join this test format and enjoy their game even with better stamina and quality which is very important in this test format.

With the introduction of 20/twenty format we have good changes in test matches as well with mostly it's going to be ended in three or four days which is also good fast game with good entertainment India surely can produce good number of bowlers now with their sources just need better environment and culture which give these youths good chance.

The world of cricket is moving towards a quicker form of the game and the sad thing is that first-class cricket is still mostly played around the format of test cricket, even though times are changing. This is probably a big reason why there is not a lot of talent available for teams to find when it comes to T20 players. It probably would be a smart idea for domestic cricket to be played in shorter formats in the future. The format of T20 cricket will force the bowlers to perform better, and each bowler will have to learn those yorkers in order to perform at their highest level. It is because they know that if they do not do so, they will be hit for easy sixes. As a result, the bowlers will have to learn to make life difficult for the batsmen in T20 cricket.

[Sithara007]

The world of cricket is moving towards a quicker form of the game and the sad thing is that first-class cricket is still mostly played around the format of test cricket, even though times are changing. This is probably a big reason why there is not a lot of talent available for teams to find when it comes to T20 players. It probably would be a smart idea for domestic cricket to be played in shorter formats in the future. The format of T20 cricket will force the bowlers to perform better, and each bowler will have to learn those yorkers in order to perform at their highest level. It is because they know that if they do not do so, they will be hit for easy sixes. As a result, the bowlers will have to learn to make life difficult for the batsmen in T20 cricket.

I agree that first class (domestic) cricket is mostly played in 4-day format. But some of the boards such as ECB has recently reduced the number of 4-day matches in their competitions, and increased the number of limited overs matches instead. The BCCI is also going in this direction. During the COVID times, they cancelled the 4-day competition, but kept the limited overs leagues running. For the players also, this is some sort of a relief. Especially for those who need to manage full-time job with cricketing commitments, 4-day is not very suitable.

[bitgov]

The world of cricket is moving towards a quicker form of the game and the sad thing is that first-class cricket is still mostly played around the format of test cricket, even though times are changing. This is probably a big reason why there is not a lot of talent available for teams to find when it comes to T20 players. It probably would be a smart idea for domestic cricket to be played in shorter formats in the future. The format of T20 cricket will force the bowlers to perform better, and each bowler will have to learn those yorkers in order to perform at their highest level. It is because they know that if they do not do so, they will be hit for easy sixes. As a result, the bowlers will have to learn to make life difficult for the batsmen in T20 cricket.

I agree that first class (domestic) cricket is mostly played in 4-day format. But some of the boards such as ECB has recently reduced the number of 4-day matches in their competitions, and increased the number of limited overs matches instead. The BCCI is also going in this direction. During the COVID times, they cancelled the 4-day competition, but kept the limited overs leagues running. For the players also, this is some sort of a relief. Especially for those who need to manage full-time job with cricketing commitments, 4-day is not very suitable.

Cricket is adopting to new format aka T20 and that's the reason why boards are focusing more on t20 then on test. Even in domestic cricket, much focus is on t20 then on odi and test. I agree that with t20 format players who are playing cricket with job can manage cricket.

[Sithara007]

Cricket is adopting to new format aka T20 and that's the reason why boards are focusing more on t20 then on test. Even in domestic cricket, much focus is on t20 then on odi and test. I agree that with t20 format players who are playing cricket with job can manage cricket.

Ideally there should be a balance between generating money and finding new talent. T20 franchise leagues are good in financial terms for the cricket boards, but younger players don't get much of an opportunity to showcase their skills. Most of the leagues are having an overseas player limit of 4. Remaining 7 slots will be filled by senior players. On the other hand domestic 4-day usually does not feature any overseas players (although county cricket in England is an exception), and provide adequate slots for the younger native players.

[wiss19]

Cricket is adopting to new format aka T20 and that's the reason why boards are focusing more on t20 then on test. Even in domestic cricket, much focus is on t20 then on odi and test. I agree that with t20 format players who are playing cricket with job can manage cricket.

Ideally there should be a balance between generating money and finding new talent. T20 franchise leagues are good in financial terms for the cricket boards, but younger players don't get much of an opportunity to showcase their skills. Most of the leagues are having an overseas player limit of 4. Remaining 7 slots will be filled by senior players. On the other hand domestic 4-day usually does not feature any overseas players (although county cricket in England is an exception), and provide adequate slots for the younger native players.

Day by day as things are commercially going into way many new ways are also appearing for bringing new talent into main stream as few hours back I was watching PJL which is having good results and many youngsters are doing best for their talent and improving quality with this many other boards are also able to create opportunities like this for youngsters which will give them experience, and they could be able to play against players from different countries which give them better view.

Here I really appreciate Ramiz Raja for this idea and working quickly on this all even they are having some issues, but they are doing good things for their local talent and now after sometimes they already announce they are going to start WPSL even they are not going to compete with IPL or WIPL but still things are moving into positive way for them and their game.

[DanWalker]

Cricket is adopting to new format aka T20 and that's the reason why boards are focusing more on t20 then on test. Even in domestic cricket, much focus is on t20 then on odi and test. I agree that with t20 format players who are playing cricket with job can manage cricket.

Ideally there should be a balance between generating money and finding new talent. T20 franchise leagues are good in financial terms for the cricket boards, but younger players don't get much of an opportunity to showcase their skills. Most of the leagues are having an overseas player limit of 4. Remaining 7 slots will be filled by senior players. On the other hand domestic 4-day usually does not feature any overseas players (although county cricket in England is an exception), and provide adequate slots for the younger native players.

But I really don't think that a T20 player can show his skills in domestic cricket. In my opinion, T20 cricket and Domestic Cricket are very different things.

So there should be a setup of domestic cricket based on T20.

Otherwise, it will be more difficult for the players who are actually proficient in shorter formats of cricket to show their skills. And we all know that test cricket is dying and One Day International cricket is also walking on the same path. Yes, it is true that in most of the leagues, the slots of native players are filled with seniors. So it is challenging for players to show their skills in leagues.

So it will be very useful to have a domestic setup with the T20 format. And I don't think the reduction of overseas players in the league cricket teams is possible because people also need entertainment.

[Sithara007]

Day by day as things are commercially going into way many new ways are also appearing for bringing new talent into main stream as few hours back I was watching PJL which is having good results and many youngsters are doing best for their talent and improving quality with this many other boards are also able to create opportunities like this for youngsters which will give them experience, and they could be able to play against players from different countries which give them better view.

Here I really appreciate Ramiz Raja for this idea and working quickly on this all even they are having some issues, but they are doing good things for their local talent and now after sometimes they already announce they are going to start WPSL even they are not going to compete with IPL or WIPL but still things are moving into positive way for them and their game.

I have said this many times. Ramiz is perhaps the best performing head of any of the national cricket boards at this point. I watched some of the interviews with overseas players on the PCB YouTube channel and the players seems to love the league. WPSL will be the next step for PCB, and I am sure that Ramiz will make it one of the premium leagues for women, similar to the W100 and WBBL. He revamped the domestic 4-day structure as well and it has worked wonders. Some of the departmental sides were not happy after getting kicked out from the domestic competition, but Ramiz was adamant that he wanted only provincial teams in the first division.