ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[DanWalker]

Cricket is like a tradition in both countries. Both of them want to have the upper hand on the other when it comes to cricket. No other sports are so popular in these countries. And as I said people are crazy about cricket. They think cricket is the way to prove which team is superior.
Actually, it is a way to decide which country is superior in the mind of the people. We all know India has the upper hand in decision making in cricket compared to Pakistan. In order to reach that position, India has put in a lot of work. If Pakistan had good political leadership and did not have the problem of all presidents not being able to full fill the full quota of his reign I think Pakistan could have had political stability and also could have improved a lot just like India.

I don't think people of both the countries have got a mentality thinking a win in cricket is superior to the other. Maybe this mentality could've been there in the past. Now things were different, people are much open. As in the above post it is like a tradition, the game have got into each and everyone. Whether they play or not, everyone knows about Sachin Tendulkar. Even if there is nothing to talk, they'll start like no one can be same as Sachin Tendulkar. This is how cricket is within the two countries. In recent years the media to increase its viewers used to give hype with more promotional statements that shows one superior to the other.

Well, that is actually true. The media is certainly over exaggerating everything to get views. And most of the news we get are from the media. So, it is almost always easy to get misled by the media. I am sure that there is actually not much had between both of the countries, especially the people. It is actually the politician who are trying to fuel the hatred between the countries and trying to keep the people busy with these problems.

Anyway, the hatred has certainly gone down as people have started realizing that it is just not helpful for the average person.

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[Sithara007]

Did anyone see the match between Finland vs Sweden(Nordic t20 cup)?

What is the point in watching these matches? I checked the squads for both the teams and none of them had any citizens. Entire squad was comprised of recent immigrants from India or Pakistan. Among the nations that participate in this tournament, Danmark used to have a primarily native squad until the 1990s. But the current squad is almost unrecognizable. In two decades, they went from 90% native to 10% native. Several of the European teams are going in the same direction, including Netherlands and Scotland.

[Dimitri94]

Did anyone see the match between Finland vs Sweden(Nordic t20 cup)?
I missed it but I saw the scoreboard what excited match it was. Sweden batted first and could take only 96 runs. The performance of the batsmen of both teams was absolutely worst. The top order batsmen of both the teams could not perform well. However, Finland performed a bit better than Sweden and caught the target run of 96 but the match went into super over as the ball ran out.
And Finland managed to get their win in Super Over but I think their batsmen should play more careful in the upcoming matches. If we see the below picture their form is not that good wicket fall ratio they also have a lot. But in the end, I think fans of both teams almost had a heart attack today
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I don't watch this type of game much but after you mentioned I saw its score. But nothing to see here. Rather feel annoyed because there is no participation of natives. Although claimed but it is easily guessed without any doubt. Moreover Finland scored only 106 runs in this match but Sweden could not over come that score. Watching such matches seems like a waste of time to me.

Both teams are new in cricket, But as long as they don't deliver good innings, the interest of the viewers will not increase. Either they have to give good innings or keep prominent players. If these aspects are not recognized then those tournament cannot gain popularity.

[ThemePen]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

Today is the 4th unofficial ODI match between these two teams. First two matches won by the Zimbabwe team and the 3rd match won by the Pakistan and now the 4th match will be played. And if we take a look back so we will see that Zimbabwe team is more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. At this time series is at 2-1. And I hope the Zimbabwe will again win this match. Let's see.

[Sithara007]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

Today is the 4th unofficial ODI match between these two teams. First two matches won by the Zimbabwe team and the 3rd match won by the Pakistan and now the 4th match will be played. And if we take a look back so we will see that Zimbabwe team is more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. At this time series is at 2-1. And I hope the Zimbabwe will again win this match. Let's see.

Surprised to see Zimbabwe leading the series by 2-1. But the Zimbabwe Select squad contains several players who are regular members of the senior side, such as Blessing Muzarabani, Wessly Madhevere, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams, Ryan Burl, Wellington Masakadza and Tendai Chatara. On the other hand, Pakistan A side is consisted mostly of inexperienced players. This series has showed the hollowness of talent pool in Zimbabwe. They have won two matches, but still no young player has emerged with a noticeable performance so far.     

[Dimitri94]

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Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

Cricket is like a tradition in both countries. Both of them want to have the upper hand on the other when it comes to cricket. No other sports are so popular in these countries. And as I said people are crazy about cricket. They think cricket is the way to prove which team is superior.

Actually, it is a way to decide which country is superior in the mind of the people. We all know India has the upper hand in decision making in cricket compared to Pakistan. In order to reach that position, India has put in a lot of work. If Pakistan had good political leadership and did not have the problem of all presidents not being able to full fill the full quota of his reign I think Pakistan could have had political stability and also could have improved a lot just like India.

Such relations between the two countries were not built overnight. But one thing is clear that the two countries do not want to lose to anyone. An adversarial relationship has always prevailed between them. But I think people in these two countries have a huge role to play in creating this kind of relationship. Because we often saw when Pakistan lost to India, the common people started vandalism. When this issue was spread in the media, it was understandable to everyone. If India had lost, people would have stormed in online. Basically, these things gradually take a massive form. Also the political environment is not good. I think there will be no change in this country until the people of both countries can change their thinking.

[LDL]

But I think people in these two countries have a huge role to play in creating this kind of relationship. Because we often saw when Pakistan lost to India, the common people started vandalism. When this issue was spread in the media, it was understandable to everyone. If India had lost, people would have stormed in online. Basically, these things gradually take a massive form. Also the political environment is not good. I think there will be no change in this country until the people of both countries can change their thinking.

Bilateral relations between India and Pakistan are mutually exclusive and this relationship is prevalent not only in the political arena but also in the cricket arena. If any cricket match is held between Pakistan and India and that cricket match also there is a storm of discussion and criticism online among the fans. But an important point in this case is that if a match is held between India and Pakistan and if India loses in that match, then there is a huge debate between the fans of Pakistan and India online. Although India is far ahead of Pakistan in terms of fan followers, but in terms of online, fierce arguments are created between the fans scattered in different parts of the world. Although these arguments are temporary but these arguments make cricket more interesting and enjoyable.

[Patrol69]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

Today is the 4th unofficial ODI match between these two teams. First two matches won by the Zimbabwe team and the 3rd match won by the Pakistan and now the 4th match will be played. And if we take a look back so we will see that Zimbabwe team is more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. At this time series is at 2-1. And I hope the Zimbabwe will again win this match. Let's see.

Surprised to see Zimbabwe leading the series by 2-1. But the Zimbabwe Select squad contains several players who are regular members of the senior side, such as Blessing Muzarabani, Wessly Madhevere, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams, Ryan Burl, Wellington Masakadza and Tendai Chatara. On the other hand, Pakistan A side is consisted mostly of inexperienced players. This series has showed the hollowness of talent pool in Zimbabwe. They have won two matches, but still no young player has emerged with a noticeable performance so far.     

Zimbabwe main team beat India Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka Several of their main team players are playing in this team against Pakistan and since Pakistan team has mostly inexperienced players, Zimbabwe are taking advantage of this opportunity against Pakistan. They have already won the first two ODI matches against Pakistan. However, they were defeated in the third match. Zimbabwe won the toss in the 4th match of the 6-match ODI series and decided to field against Pakistan. If Zimbabwe wins this match today, the chances of winning the series against Pakistan will increase a lot. Because in order to equalize the series between the next two matches, Pakistan will have to win two matches.  And there will be a chance for Zimbabwe to win a match.  Hope Zimbabwe will do well against Pakistan today.

[posi]

Surprised to see Zimbabwe leading the series by 2-1. But the Zimbabwe Select squad contains several players who are regular members of the senior side, such as Blessing Muzarabani, Wessly Madhevere, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams, Ryan Burl, Wellington Masakadza and Tendai Chatara. On the other hand, Pakistan A side is consisted mostly of inexperienced players. This series has showed the hollowness of talent pool in Zimbabwe. They have won two matches, but still no young player has emerged with a noticeable performance so far.     

Zimbabwe main team beat India Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka Several of their main team players are playing in this team against Pakistan and since Pakistan team has mostly inexperienced players, Zimbabwe are taking advantage of this opportunity against Pakistan. They have already won the first two ODI matches against Pakistan. However, they were defeated in the third match. Zimbabwe won the toss in the 4th match of the 6-match ODI series and decided to field against Pakistan. If Zimbabwe wins this match today, the chances of winning the series against Pakistan will increase a lot. Because in order to equalize the series between the next two matches, Pakistan will have to win two matches.  And there will be a chance for Zimbabwe to win a match.  Hope Zimbabwe will do well against Pakistan today.

Pakistan S vs Zimbabwe S

Pakistan is batting right now in the first innings. Pakistan has scored 159/3 in 33 overs. They have a good foundation set up for a really good score around 280. But for that, they will have to accelerate a little and also keep wickets in hand. So far from what I have seen from Pakistan in this series, I am a little worried about actually trusting them to reach  280. But I also think that if Pakistan can reach 280 I believe Pakistan will be able to win the match.

[Bitcoin_people]

Surprised to see Zimbabwe leading the series by 2-1. But the Zimbabwe Select squad contains several players who are regular members of the senior side, such as Blessing Muzarabani, Wessly Madhevere, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams, Ryan Burl, Wellington Masakadza and Tendai Chatara. On the other hand, Pakistan A side is consisted mostly of inexperienced players. This series has showed the hollowness of talent pool in Zimbabwe. They have won two matches, but still no young player has emerged with a noticeable performance so far.     

Zimbabwe main team beat India Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka Several of their main team players are playing in this team against Pakistan and since Pakistan team has mostly inexperienced players, Zimbabwe are taking advantage of this opportunity against Pakistan. They have already won the first two ODI matches against Pakistan. However, they were defeated in the third match. Zimbabwe won the toss in the 4th match of the 6-match ODI series and decided to field against Pakistan. If Zimbabwe wins this match today, the chances of winning the series against Pakistan will increase a lot. Because in order to equalize the series between the next two matches, Pakistan will have to win two matches.  And there will be a chance for Zimbabwe to win a match.  Hope Zimbabwe will do well against Pakistan today.

Pakistan S vs Zimbabwe S

Pakistan is batting right now in the first innings. Pakistan has scored 159/3 in 33 overs. They have a good foundation set up for a really good score around 280. But for that, they will have to accelerate a little and also keep wickets in hand. So far from what I have seen from Pakistan in this series, I am a little worried about actually trusting them to reach  280. But I also think that if Pakistan can reach 280 I believe Pakistan will be able to win the match.

If Pakistan does their batting performance well, it will definitely be possible to score 280 runs in the match. They still have a few wickets in hand and if they can keep the wickets, the run rate will increase. And if the wicket falls then the run rate will not increase much. Pakistan batsman Omair Yousuf gave a great performance in the match. He is in very good batting form. He scored 115 runs off 112 balls by scoring a century. And another great batsman Kamran Ghulam who scored 55 runs off 79 balls. Pakistan batsmen in great moment in this match but their current team score is 226 runs 6 wickets 44 overs. In this match Pakistan is more likely to win so if they perform well in the match they will definitely win.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan Shaheens may make a total of close to 300. After 47 overs, they are 263/6, with the 24-year old Omair Yousuf batting unbeaten at 138. Pakistan selectors are utilizing this opportunity well, to give chances to some of the younger players. Apart from Omair, Kamran Ghulam also scored a half-century. On the other hand, there seems to be no difference between the Zimbabwe Select squad and the Zimbabwe senior team. Almost all the players are regulars from the senior side. And they have really struggled against the young Pakistani players.

[rojan]

Surprised to see Zimbabwe leading the series by 2-1. But the Zimbabwe Select squad contains several players who are regular members of the senior side, such as Blessing Muzarabani, Wessly Madhevere, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams, Ryan Burl, Wellington Masakadza and Tendai Chatara. On the other hand, Pakistan A side is consisted mostly of inexperienced players. This series has showed the hollowness of talent pool in Zimbabwe. They have won two matches, but still no young player has emerged with a noticeable performance so far.     

Zimbabwe main team beat India Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka Several of their main team players are playing in this team against Pakistan and since Pakistan team has mostly inexperienced players, Zimbabwe are taking advantage of this opportunity against Pakistan. They have already won the first two ODI matches against Pakistan. However, they were defeated in the third match. Zimbabwe won the toss in the 4th match of the 6-match ODI series and decided to field against Pakistan. If Zimbabwe wins this match today, the chances of winning the series against Pakistan will increase a lot. Because in order to equalize the series between the next two matches, Pakistan will have to win two matches.  And there will be a chance for Zimbabwe to win a match.  Hope Zimbabwe will do well against Pakistan today.

Pakistan S vs Zimbabwe S

Pakistan is batting right now in the first innings. Pakistan has scored 159/3 in 33 overs. They have a good foundation set up for a really good score around 280. But for that, they will have to accelerate a little and also keep wickets in hand. So far from what I have seen from Pakistan in this series, I am a little worried about actually trusting them to reach  280. But I also think that if Pakistan can reach 280 I believe Pakistan will be able to win the match.

If Pakistan does their batting performance well, it will definitely be possible to score 280 runs in the match. They still have a few wickets in hand and if they can keep the wickets, the run rate will increase. And if the wicket falls then the run rate will not increase much. Pakistan batsman Omair Yousuf gave a great performance in the match. He is in very good batting form. He scored 115 runs off 112 balls by scoring a century. And another great batsman Kamran Ghulam who scored 55 runs off 79 balls. Pakistan batsmen in great moment in this match but their current team score is 226 runs 6 wickets 44 overs. In this match Pakistan is more likely to win so if they perform well in the match they will definitely win.

Zimbabw has won the toss and decided to bowl. Now Pakistan is batting. They have scored 226 runs in 44 overs. So far Pakistan has lost 6 wickets. It seems that Pakistan can score like 265 runs. But Pakistan team batsman Omair Yousuf has done an amazing performance. 115 runs from 112 balls Did it. If Omair Yousuf can play complete overs then I think he can match 150 runs today. Zimbabwe's bowling line is not doing very well.

[posi]

Pakistan Shaheens may make a total of close to 300. After 47 overs, they are 263/6, with the 24-year old Omair Yousuf batting unbeaten at 138. Pakistan selectors are utilizing this opportunity well, to give chances to some of the younger players. Apart from Omair, Kamran Ghulam also scored a half-century. On the other hand, there seems to be no difference between the Zimbabwe Select squad and the Zimbabwe senior team. Almost all the players are regulars from the senior side. And they have really struggled against the young Pakistani players.

Zimbabwe S was actually able to win the match against Pakistan S very easily in the end with 15 balls remaining. Zimbabwe was able to reach the target of 296 quite easily in the end. Joylord Gumbie and Craig Ervine both got a hundred each in this match. This was suddenly a great chase by the Zimbabwe team.

Honestly, when I saw a target around 300 I didn't think Zimbabwe would be able to get that. I was a little surprised to see the way Zimbabwe actually chased down the target. The extra 12 given by Pakistan also helped. But I think Zimbabwe was going to win the match regardless of that.

[doomloop]

Pakistan Shaheens may make a total of close to 300. After 47 overs, they are 263/6, with the 24-year old Omair Yousuf batting unbeaten at 138. Pakistan selectors are utilizing this opportunity well, to give chances to some of the younger players. Apart from Omair, Kamran Ghulam also scored a half-century. On the other hand, there seems to be no difference between the Zimbabwe Select squad and the Zimbabwe senior team. Almost all the players are regulars from the senior side. And they have really struggled against the young Pakistani players.

What a batting display by Zimbabwean as they chase 295 without any problem in just 48 overs Craig Ervine 161 was the hero for the home side as they are now leading this series by 3 - 1 against Pakistan after securing their third win with two matches are remaining in this series.

Zimbabwe won the toss and choose field first which was not good decision by them as Pakistani batting done good job and hammered them badly with last five overs concede 50 runs which was surely good achievement for Pakistanis but sadly Zimbabwean batting was also done good job and have very organized second wicket partnership of 278 runs which give them success in this match and now having control in this series as well now on 25th May we will have 5th match of this series.

[Unknown Op]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

The current cricket series between Pakistan and Zimbabwe has been thrilling to watch with both team demonstrating their abilities and tenacity. The first two unauthorised One Day International (ODI) matches were won by the Zimbabwean team who got off to a great start. Pakistan did however recover in the third match winning and closing the series deficit to 2-1 in Zimbabwe favour. There is a palpable sense of excitement leading up to the fourth match and cricket fans can not wait to see how it turns out. While opinions may vary it is obvious that both sides have exceptional talent and the capacity to change the course of the match. Pakistan will likely play their best game in an effort to tie the series despite the Zimbabwe team strong performance throughout. As we watch the fourth match let's relax and take it all in. 

[Ayers]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

The current cricket series between Pakistan and Zimbabwe has been thrilling to watch with both team demonstrating their abilities and tenacity. The first two unauthorised One Day International (ODI) matches were won by the Zimbabwean team who got off to a great start. Pakistan did however recover in the third match winning and closing the series deficit to 2-1 in Zimbabwe favour. There is a palpable sense of excitement leading up to the fourth match and cricket fans can not wait to see how it turns out. While opinions may vary it is obvious that both sides have exceptional talent and the capacity to change the course of the match. Pakistan will likely play their best game in an effort to tie the series despite the Zimbabwe team strong performance throughout. As we watch the fourth match let's relax and take it all in. 

Pakistan actually lost in the 4th ODI as well. Of Course, Pakistan actually performed well. But that did not stop Zimbabwe from winning this match. 296 was the target given by Pakistan. I really thought that this was going to be good enough for Pakistan to win this match. But Zimbabwe actually chased down that target very easily in the end.

I know this is an unofficial series and the score is not going to be added anywhere. But I still think that the performance of Pakistan has not been good at all in this series against Zimbabwe, especially the bowling performance in my opinion. I really think Pakistan should have been able to defend a target of 296 successfully.

[fuguebtc]

Pakistan Shaheens may make a total of close to 300. After 47 overs, they are 263/6, with the 24-year old Omair Yousuf batting unbeaten at 138. Pakistan selectors are utilizing this opportunity well, to give chances to some of the younger players. Apart from Omair, Kamran Ghulam also scored a half-century. On the other hand, there seems to be no difference between the Zimbabwe Select squad and the Zimbabwe senior team. Almost all the players are regulars from the senior side. And they have really struggled against the young Pakistani players.

What a batting display by Zimbabwean as they chase 295 without any problem in just 48 overs Craig Ervine 161 was the hero for the home side as they are now leading this series by 3 - 1 against Pakistan after securing their third win with two matches are remaining in this series.

Zimbabwe won the toss and choose field first which was not good decision by them as Pakistani batting done good job and hammered them badly with last five overs concede 50 runs which was surely good achievement for Pakistanis but sadly Zimbabwean batting was also done good job and have very organized second wicket partnership of 278 runs which give them success in this match and now having control in this series as well now on 25th May we will have 5th match of this series.

I would actually say this was a good decision by the Zimbabwe captain. Because we saw the pitch get better and better for batting as time went on. Zimbabwe also performed really well. I wonder if Zimbabwe could play this freely if they went on to batting in the first innings.

Pakistan did well to post a target of 296, there is no doubt about that. But the one thing Pakistan is always known for is the bowling. And it is certainly surprising and disappointing at the same time to see this type of bowling performance from Pakistan.

[Sithara007]

What a batting display by Zimbabwean as they chase 295 without any problem in just 48 overs Craig Ervine 161 was the hero for the home side as they are now leading this series by 3 - 1 against Pakistan after securing their third win with two matches are remaining in this series.

Zimbabwe won the toss and choose field first which was not good decision by them as Pakistani batting done good job and hammered them badly with last five overs concede 50 runs which was surely good achievement for Pakistanis but sadly Zimbabwean batting was also done good job and have very organized second wicket partnership of 278 runs which give them success in this match and now having control in this series as well now on 25th May we will have 5th match of this series.

If the Zimbabweans wanted a morale booster, then they got it. But that doesn't take away the fact that they fielded the national team against a bunch of youngsters from Pakistan. Among the Pakistani players, only a very few had any sort of international experience (such as Hussain Talat and Shahnawaz Dahani). Given the fact that Zimbabwe struggled to defeat them, the future outlook for them looks not very bright for me. Zimbabwe is still dependent on some players who are based outside that country like Craig Ervine and Ryan Burl. And this is not going to be beneficial in the long run. 

[Dimitri94]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S

The current cricket series between Pakistan and Zimbabwe has been thrilling to watch with both team demonstrating their abilities and tenacity. The first two unauthorised One Day International (ODI) matches were won by the Zimbabwean team who got off to a great start. Pakistan did however recover in the third match winning and closing the series deficit to 2-1 in Zimbabwe favour. There is a palpable sense of excitement leading up to the fourth match and cricket fans can not wait to see how it turns out. While opinions may vary it is obvious that both sides have exceptional talent and the capacity to change the course of the match. Pakistan will likely play their best game in an effort to tie the series despite the Zimbabwe team strong performance throughout. As we watch the fourth match let's relax and take it all in. 

Pakistan actually lost in the 4th ODI as well. Of Course, Pakistan actually performed well. But that did not stop Zimbabwe from winning this match. 296 was the target given by Pakistan. I really thought that this was going to be good enough for Pakistan to win this match. But Zimbabwe actually chased down that target very easily in the end.

I know this is an unofficial series and the score is not going to be added anywhere. But I still think that the performance of Pakistan has not been good at all in this series against Zimbabwe, especially the bowling performance in my opinion. I really think Pakistan should have been able to defend a target of 296 successfully.

We can not expect such a performance from Pakistan team. But since it is an unofficial match, the series is not played as seriously as it should be played. Many feel that they are trying to hold on to the series alive and end up with a tie or even loss. A big difference in the game was evident when Pakistan team scored only 295 runs in 50 overs in the 4th ODI for the loss of 9 wickets while Zimbabwe team surpassed that target by just 3 wickets. I personally think this is the indifference of Pakistan team players. But there is nothing to say here because the series is unofficial.

[Sithara007]

We can not expect such a performance from Pakistan team. But since it is an unofficial match, the series is not played as seriously as it should be played. Many feel that they are trying to hold on to the series alive and end up with a tie or even loss. A big difference in the game was evident when Pakistan team scored only 295 runs in 50 overs in the 4th ODI for the loss of 9 wickets while Zimbabwe team surpassed that target by just 3 wickets. I personally think this is the indifference of Pakistan team players. But there is nothing to say here because the series is unofficial.

Pakistan should not bother much about losing the series. They were playing against the Zimbabwe Senior squad, and yet they gave a good fight. This series was organized to prepare both teams for the ODI World Cup, which is scheduled for later this year. Pakistan selectors did their job, by including a number of emerging players in their squad. For some unknown reasons, the Zimbabwean selectors instead went for the regular players. So even after winning the series, I am not sure how much Zimbabwe has gained from it.