ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[BobK71]

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Teams like Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia are all cricket crazy nations. Football is also popular in Nepal, however as the no.1 sport cricket is far ahead of others. The reason why Nepal is not as cricket crazy as India may be due to the fact that they always have to deal with harsh treatment from the ICC. The ICC put so many obstacles to their funding and entry to major cricket tournaments, as they only support rich teams such as the UAE and USA. And despite being a neighboring country, the BCCI has never spent a penny to support cricket in Nepal. The only test playing nation who has supported cricket in Nepal is Pakistan.

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

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[Sithara007]

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

[pakhitheboss]

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

I think what ICC is doing is better for cricket and good for its revenue. They should focus more on Europe and US. They have already penetrated a larger portion of Europe and now it is time to penetrate the US. Middle East country have a lot of oil money but they know they cannot sustain it for long therefore they are venturing into sports tourism.

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

[ThemePen]

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

A team can build with their players. In simple words you can say that the Players make a team. Big economy also matters too because if they have the budget so they will practice with more advanced equipments. With the low budget players will practice less.

But the thing is that a good player has the skills which doesn't care where is he playing and which equipments he has.

[Tony116]

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

I think what ICC is doing is better for cricket and good for its revenue. They should focus more on Europe and US. They have already penetrated a larger portion of Europe and now it is time to penetrate the US. Middle East country have a lot of oil money but they know they cannot sustain it for long therefore they are venturing into sports tourism.

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

Personally, I would like to see the ICC take matters into their own hands. ICC relies too much on the big four cricket boards to make decisions. And that certainly should not be the way to do things. ICC should also give the associate countries, which does have native players on the team, a little more money.

There are a lot of poor associate countries, which are not able to show good performance, because of two reasons.

1-they are not being able to improve as well as they should, because of Money being an issue.

2-and they are not being able to show good performance against associate teams that have foreign players in the team, which should also not be a thing in cricket.

[Sithara007]

Personally, I would like to see the ICC take matters into their own hands. ICC relies too much on the big four cricket boards to make decisions. And that certainly should not be the way to do things. ICC should also give the associate countries, which does have native players on the team, a little more money.

There are a lot of poor associate countries, which are not able to show good performance, because of two reasons.

1-they are not being able to improve as well as they should, because of Money being an issue.

2-and they are not being able to show good performance against associate teams that have foreign players in the team, which should also not be a thing in cricket.

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

[Tony116]

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

[BobK71]

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

ICC has constricted the low-income countries, if those poor country get a good opportunity like Afghanistan, those teams would have reached in good position. As much as Afghanistan has been in cricket, cricket could have been more competitive if more teams add to their position. But that is not possible if ICC does not contribute. It is impossible to get good output from small countries without increasing financial incentives. The small teams are not getting support from their boards or from the ICC. They are not benefiting from any aspect.

[Vaskiy]

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

ICC has constricted the low-income countries, if those poor country get a good opportunity like Afghanistan, those teams would have reached in good position. As much as Afghanistan has been in cricket, cricket could have been more competitive if more teams add to their position. But that is not possible if ICC does not contribute. It is impossible to get good output from small countries without increasing financial incentives. The small teams are not getting support from their boards or from the ICC. They are not benefiting from any aspect.

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

[Sithara007]

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Cricket in Afghanistan grew during the late 1990s and early 2000s. Back then, Jagmohan Dalmiya was the President of International Cricket Council, and he was a big supporter of cricket in associate nations. And then they received good support from both the BCCI and PCB (for reasons other than cricket). But things changed once Dalmiya was replaced by the pig-4 mafia. Sharad Pawar - N Srinivasan gang took over, and this was when cricket in associate nations started to die off. Some of the teams (like Kenya) got completely destroyed, while others like Nepal and Malaysia were severely weakened. 

[ThemePen]

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

[Sithara007]

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

[Marvell1]

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

I still remember that Afghanistan had to play a certain ICC tournament (most probably a world cup) just depending upon the money that Nabi was giving the team. ICC should really think about Afghanistan as a serious regular cricket playing country. Because they certainly does have the potential to be one of the best in the world.

The problem is the infrastructure is not good at all. Other than the main 11, I don't think they have world class players like that coming up. And even though they have a lot of potential, who are the ICC giving money to?  USA and other teams that basically don't have negative players in the team. Now tell me how that's fair!

[Naficopa]

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

I still remember that Afghanistan had to play a certain ICC tournament (most probably a world cup) just depending upon the money that Nabi was giving the team. ICC should really think about Afghanistan as a serious regular cricket playing country. Because they certainly does have the potential to be one of the best in the world.

The problem is the infrastructure is not good at all. Other than the main 11, I don't think they have world class players like that coming up. And even though they have a lot of potential, who are the ICC giving money to?  USA and other teams that basically don't have negative players in the team. Now tell me how that's fair!

In fact ODI format is one of the formats of cricket. Almost every cricket team is used to this format. Basically, when playing in the ODI format, the team actually depends more on the batsmen to win or lose the match. Afghanistan is a fairly good team, this team can perform well in T20 format.

[BobK71]

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

[WatChe]

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

One thing ICC and big 3 must understand is that there is no chance of women cricket under Taliban rule. Afghanistan cricket is developed because most of there players are either born or brought up in Pakistan or they go to Pakistan to play crikcet. Its all because there is no visa restriction for Afghanistan natioanls to visit Pakistan. I don't know how ICC will react to Afghanistan policy of zero cricket for women but men cricket in Afghanistan really need support of ICC at the moment.

[n0ne]

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

This is the reality with the cricket. The country itself needs to make necessary arrangements and train themselves. Amidst all the difficult experienced the team had experienced big change in players perfect. Same as them countries should request for the funds. Mostly BCCI won't be favourable to the team goodness

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

This is the reality with the cricket. The country itself needs to make necessary arrangements and train themselves. Amidst all the difficult experienced the team had experienced big change in players perfect. Same as them countries should request for the funds. Mostly BCCI won't be favourable to the team goodness

Afghanistan has improved and evolved alot In cricket and credit goes to the players and management totally as their government and political situation have never been stable and supportive  specially under Taliban rule .
Their team didn't give up and kept on playing,  now Afghanistan have top class spinners  batsman who are ruling and playing in different leagues.

[Ayers]

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

One thing ICC and big 3 must understand is that there is no chance of women cricket under Taliban rule. Afghanistan cricket is developed because most of there players are either born or brought up in Pakistan or they go to Pakistan to play crikcet. Its all because there is no visa restriction for Afghanistan natioanls to visit Pakistan. I don't know how ICC will react to Afghanistan policy of zero cricket for women but men cricket in Afghanistan really need support of ICC at the moment.

I do not understand why ICC cannot respect the idea of someone else. Why do they have to have a women’s cricket team to get funding from the ICC? Why if they don’t like the ideology of someone else, they always have to take certain negative steps about that? If they do not want to make a women’s cricket team, just based on the religious belief, I think they should not face any problems for that.

[ThemePen]

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.