ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[wiss19]

The whole world is waiting to watch India Pakistan match. When these two teams start cricket, it is difficult to accommodate spectators in any venue. The gallery is also fulled when there is an international match between these two countries. However, if the governments of both countries prevent this match, then the match cannot be conducted. If India has any security concerns then playing their matches at a different venue and it can be considered as a good solution. But in this case both teams should agree.

Right now, as things are going in Pakistan there is no chance for having matches between these two teams because time is running out and as ACC and BCCI are using their tactics most chances we will have no Asia Cup or if ACC will allow Sri Lanka then still most chances Pakistan will boycott this event with nothing is clear.
We will have matches between Pakistan vs India in World Cup which is going to play in India in October if Pakistan will go ahead for playing because as we have things right now nothing is clear about anything about Pakistan cricket.

For Asia Cup mostly peoples are feeling BCCI will allow for the hybrid model which is not going to work because in this case still there is chance for them to go to Pakistan for playing their final or semifinal which is not in their agenda right now this all is political and personal ego which is hurting this game but no one can do anything with these two countries.

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[kro55]

The whole world is waiting to watch India Pakistan match. When these two teams start cricket, it is difficult to accommodate spectators in any venue. The gallery is also fulled when there is an international match between these two countries. However, if the governments of both countries prevent this match, then the match cannot be conducted. If India has any security concerns then playing their matches at a different venue and it can be considered as a good solution. But in this case both teams should agree.

Right now, as things are going in Pakistan there is no chance for having matches between these two teams because time is running out and as ACC and BCCI are using their tactics most chances we will have no Asia Cup or if ACC will allow Sri Lanka then still most chances Pakistan will boycott this event with nothing is clear.
We will have matches between Pakistan vs India in World Cup which is going to play in India in October if Pakistan will go ahead for playing because as we have things right now nothing is clear about anything about Pakistan cricket.

For Asia Cup mostly peoples are feeling BCCI will allow for the hybrid model which is not going to work because in this case still there is chance for them to go to Pakistan for playing their final or semifinal which is not in their agenda right now this all is political and personal ego which is hurting this game but no one can do anything with these two countries.

Pakistan should understand that they do not have the best situation in the country to host the Asia Cup right now. We can also say that Pakistan was looking for this opportunity to make some money. But of course, safety is a bigger issue in this matter. Participate in the Asia Cup regardless of the venue. At this moment it is also almost certain that the Asia Cup is not happening before the world cup at least. The world wants to see a match between India and Pakistan. But they will have to wait till the world cup to see that.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan should understand that they do not have the best situation in the country to host the Asia Cup right now. We can also say that Pakistan was looking for this opportunity to make some money. But of course, safety is a bigger issue in this matter. Participate in the Asia Cup regardless of the venue. At this moment it is also almost certain that the Asia Cup is not happening before the world cup at least. The world wants to see a match between India and Pakistan. But they will have to wait till the world cup to see that.

It is not that simple. This time it is the turn of PCB to host the Asia Cup. You can't take away the hosting rights just because you have some personal enmity with the host. If the Pakistan Board is OK with it, then the venue can be shifted, given that adequate compensation is provided to them. BTW, this entire India vs Pakistan hype is getting overblown. Both the ACC and the ICC always include these two teams in the same group, to maximize the revenue. After a while, people will get tired of it. From what I have seen, cricket matches between these two teams doesn't carry the same amount of interest it used to have, as such matches are occurring quite frequently now.

[kro55]

It is not that simple. This time it is the turn of PCB to host the Asia Cup. You can't take away the hosting rights just because you have some personal enmity with the host. If the Pakistan Board is OK with it, then the venue can be shifted, given that adequate compensation is provided to them. BTW, this entire India vs Pakistan hype is getting overblown. Both the ACC and the ICC always include these two teams in the same group, to maximize the revenue. After a while, people will get tired of it. From what I have seen, cricket matches between these two teams doesn't carry the same amount of interest it used to have, as such matches are occurring quite frequently now.

Pakistan is always going to say that they have the conditions and situations to host the Asia Cup. But we all know that political stability is not there in Pakistan. So of course ICC is also going to think twice about that. ICC cannot just let the other teams go to Pakistan to play the Asia Cup knowing that there could be a lot of risk involved in it.

I understand that it is the turn-off for Pakistan to host the Asia Cup. And they are also not going to give this chance up. But tell me, how can Pakistan host a tournament if the other teams are not agreeing to go to Pakistan? I don't see any solution for this except for waiting.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan is always going to say that they have the conditions and situations to host the Asia Cup. But we all know that political stability is not there in Pakistan. So of course ICC is also going to think twice about that. ICC cannot just let the other teams go to Pakistan to play the Asia Cup knowing that there could be a lot of risk involved in it.

I understand that it is the turn-off for Pakistan to host the Asia Cup. And they are also not going to give this chance up. But tell me, how can Pakistan host a tournament if the other teams are not agreeing to go to Pakistan? I don't see any solution for this except for waiting.

Other teams not agreeing to go to Pakistan? Apart from the BCCI, none of the other five boards have any problem in traveling to Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup. And what do you mean when you say that conditions are not right for Pakistan to host the tournament? Recently different national teams (including those from the pig-4) have visited Pakistan and taken part in bilaterals. A few months back, the Pakistan Super League was hosted successfully by the PCB, in which large number of overseas players took part. There is no justification to take away the hosting rights from Pakistan.

[pakhitheboss]

Other teams not agreeing to go to Pakistan? Apart from the BCCI, none of the other five boards have any problem in traveling to Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup. And what do you mean when you say that conditions are not right for Pakistan to host the tournament? Recently different national teams (including those from the pig-4) have visited Pakistan and taken part in bilaterals. A few months back, the Pakistan Super League was hosted successfully by the PCB, in which large number of overseas players took part. There is no justification to take away the hosting rights from Pakistan.

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.  

[Sithara007]

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.  

Conducting the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka during the Monsoon season is going to be a bad decision. There is a good chance that the matches will get washed out. But I agree that current political climate in Pakistan is a bit tricky. The opposition party is holding a lot of protests over the arrest of Imran Khan, and there is a very good chance of violent riots occurring in the next few days. My main concern is about Nepal. They qualified to this tournament as a result of a lot of hard work. It will be demotivating for them, to lose another chance to contest against the test nations.

[ZAINmalik75]

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

It's true that currently situation are not good in Pakistan but till September situation will not be same, there will be a decent change done as Supreme Court order for quick elections and after new government formed things will be totally normal, so by making these things as a reason of transferring Aisa Cup form Pakistan will be fool decision.
I am pretty sure that if Asia Cup venue transferred from Pakistan or play Asia Cup without them then difinitely they will bycott world cup which will be big disaster and loss for Cricket boards , ICC , broadcaster, and Fans.

[CPNpr]

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.  

Conducting the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka during the Monsoon season is going to be a bad decision. There is a good chance that the matches will get washed out. But I agree that current political climate in Pakistan is a bit tricky. The opposition party is holding a lot of protests over the arrest of Imran Khan, and there is a very good chance of violent riots occurring in the next few days. My main concern is about Nepal. They qualified to this tournament as a result of a lot of hard work. It will be demotivating for them, to lose another chance to contest against the test nations.

Sport is a pleasure. I would say that when it comes to political issues with sport-dust. An act of hatred. I think Pakistan is trying to avoid these issues. I have seen it before through the violent politics of Bangladesh. Many matches have been held. There can be no question of any influence of politics with sports. But anyway due to climate. As the match was abandoned due to rain. From the organizer to the gamblers, they have to face various confusions and losses. I want the Asia Cup to be run in such a way that we can enjoy the matches properly

[Unknown Op]

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

It's true that currently situation are not good in Pakistan but till September situation will not be same, there will be a decent change done as Supreme Court order for quick elections and after new government formed things will be totally normal, so by making these things as a reason of transferring Aisa Cup form Pakistan will be fool decision.
I am pretty sure that if Asia Cup venue transferred from Pakistan or play Asia Cup without them then difinitely they will bycott world cup which will be big disaster and loss for Cricket boards , ICC , broadcaster, and Fans.

Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

[Sithara007]

Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

Emotional decisions are not going to help the PCB. At the most, the ICC may impose a financial penalty on the BCCI as well as the PCB. The former will be able to pay the fine, but the latter will be in a disadvantageous position. PCB bosses need to take a practical decision and not an emotional one. The best thing to do now is to shift the Asia Cup out of Pakistan and then ask for a financial compensation from the ACC. PCB needs to wait for their turn. Right now, it is the BCCI that dominates both the ICC and ACC, and there is not much the PCB can do about it.

[Juggy777]

Emotional decisions are not going to help the PCB. At the most, the ICC may impose a financial penalty on the BCCI as well as the PCB. The former will be able to pay the fine, but the latter will be in a disadvantageous position. PCB bosses need to take a practical decision and not an emotional one. The best thing to do now is to shift the Asia Cup out of Pakistan and then ask for a financial compensation from the ACC. PCB needs to wait for their turn. Right now, it is the BCCI that dominates both the ICC and ACC, and there is not much the PCB can do about it.

@Sithara007 why do I have a feeling that Pakistan always knew that they were fighting a losing battle but they decided to keep dragging it so they could recover more compensation? Furthermore once again the might power of BCCI is clear to see and thus it’s only a matter of time before Pakistan changes their stand allows the Asia Cup to shift to another country.

[Sithara007]

@Sithara007 why do I have a feeling that Pakistan always knew that they were fighting a losing battle but they decided to keep dragging it so they could recover more compensation? Furthermore once again the might power of BCCI is clear to see and thus it’s only a matter of time before Pakistan changes their stand allows the Asia Cup to shift to another country.

I don't know. Perhaps they want more compensation from the ACC (but then ACC is not a rich body like the ICC and they have a limited pool of funds available). It may also be a tactic to divert some attention from the ongoing cold war between Najam Sethi and Rameez Raja. Najam doesn't want to give a weapon in Rameez's hand as the latter is claiming that he is being too subservient to the Indian board. Anyway, we all know what is going to happen at the end. The tournament will be shifted to a third country (most probably Sri Lanka).

[kro55]

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.
Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.  

Conducting the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka during the Monsoon season is going to be a bad decision. There is a good chance that the matches will get washed out. But I agree that current political climate in Pakistan is a bit tricky. The opposition party is holding a lot of protests over the arrest of Imran Khan, and there is a very good chance of violent riots occurring in the next few days. My main concern is about Nepal. They qualified to this tournament as a result of a lot of hard work. It will be demotivating for them, to lose another chance to contest against the test nations.

I have no problem with Pakistan hosting the Asia Cup. But as long as they do not have any problems giving proper security to all the teams and as long as any players or staff members of any team does not face any problems because of the political situation of Pakistan. I also really want Pakistan to host the Asia Cup because that is going to play an important role in Pakistan hosting bilateral series in the future. But right now anything can actually happen if Asia Cup is hosted in Pakistan. So, I am really not sure about that.

[pakhitheboss]

It's true that currently situation are not good in Pakistan but till September situation will not be same, there will be a decent change done as Supreme Court order for quick elections and after new government formed things will be totally normal, so by making these things as a reason of transferring Aisa Cup form Pakistan will be fool decision.
I am pretty sure that if Asia Cup venue transferred from Pakistan or play Asia Cup without them then difinitely they will bycott world cup which will be big disaster and loss for Cricket boards , ICC , broadcaster, and Fans.

Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

No one can predict the future! After the ex prime minister was removed things have been gone from bad to worst. Then no one can forget that the attack on 9th of May was done on Military establishment. They are the ones who are supposed to give security cover to International players. If they themselves are not safe then how will the players be.

Situation might change there is no guarantee. The Asia cup will get shifted for sure and PCB will ask for compensation. Which might be honoured or might not be, which we will come to know in the future.

[ZAINmalik75]

Furthermore once again the might power of BCCI is clear to see and thus it’s only a matter of time before Pakistan changes their stand allows the Asia Cup to shift to another country.

I don't know why BCCI are in favore of transferring Asia Cup from Pakistan, if they have any issue in Pakistan why they should not accept the hybrid model to play his match at neutral venue, also while other team has not any issue so BCCI should not force other board to not play in Pakistan.
If BCCI has not changed his attitude then they will be responsible of consequences, because by losing two match of indopak in AsiaCup BCCI will lose millions of dollar which they get from broadcaster StarSports, after that Thier are alot of chances that PCB will bycott world Cup which will be another huge financial loss for ICC and BCCI.
So it's will be a good decision for BCCI to accept hybrid model and don't force any other board for avoid pakistan move.

[elevates]

I don't know why BCCI are in favore of transferring Asia Cup from Pakistan, if they have any issue in Pakistan why they should not accept the hybrid model to play his match at neutral venue, also while other team has not any issue so BCCI should not force other board to not play in Pakistan.
If BCCI has not changed his attitude then they will be responsible of consequences, because by losing two match of indopak in AsiaCup BCCI will lose millions of dollar which they get from broadcaster StarSports, after that Thier are alot of chances that PCB will bycott world Cup which will be another huge financial loss for ICC and BCCI.
So it's will be a good decision for BCCI to accept hybrid model and don't force any other board for avoid pakistan move.

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

[Ayers]

Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

No one can predict the future! After the ex prime minister was removed things have been gone from bad to worst. Then no one can forget that the attack on 9th of May was done on Military establishment. They are the ones who are supposed to give security cover to International players. If they themselves are not safe then how will the players be.

After all, India is the main source of income for the ICC.
So, if they are saying that the Asia Cup is not going to be played in Pakistan I think that is going to end up happening.
The ICC is not going to say anything to make the BCCI angry for sure.

Situation might change there is no guarantee. The Asia cup will get shifted for sure and PCB will ask for compensation. Which might be honoured or might not be, which we will come to know in the future.

At this point, it actually does not matter if the situation changes or not.
Pakistan is probably not going to be having the honor of hosting the Asia Cup.
That might not get any compensation as well.

[Dimitri94]

Other teams not agreeing to go to Pakistan? Apart from the BCCI, none of the other five boards have any problem in traveling to Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup. And what do you mean when you say that conditions are not right for Pakistan to host the tournament? Recently different national teams (including those from the pig-4) have visited Pakistan and taken part in bilaterals. A few months back, the Pakistan Super League was hosted successfully by the PCB, in which large number of overseas players took part. There is no justification to take away the hosting rights from Pakistan.

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting,  points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.  

I would not like to be biased. So I want to say from a neutral point of view. If the Asia Cup is in Pakistan, India will not play there because they have various security reasons. I applaud their decision. Where life is in threat, cricket is irrelevant especially where there is no safety. But again when Pakistan confronted them and presented the hybrid model as a solution, India also refused. This seems different to me. It remains to be seen that it is now a political issue. I think playing in the hybrid model will give them a better solution to their security issues. Here I want to know from the seniors to gather knowledge why India will not play in hybrid model?

[Sithara007]

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

There are few options left for the PCB. It is now almost certain that the tournament will be moved to Sri Lanka. There is a risk of rain interruption though, as the Monsoon season has started. In case Pakistan pulls out of the tournament, then United Arab Emirates will qualify as the 6th team. Anyway, I don't think that they will pull out. A better option for them is to agree to Sri Lanka as the hosts and then demand a hefty compensation from the ACC. Boycotting the ODI World Cup will be a stupid decision as well, as PCB's annual share was recently increased from $16 million per year to $34.51 million per year.