ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

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Money is a factor, and the same have connect with emotions. We can't simply say there is no emotion with franchise based cricket and football leagues. Everything have got been started for some reason. With time the growth takes them to be more of money oriented and there is decline in the emotions. End of the day everything is business and we can't find a place where everything happens perfect. Everywhere we can see few boards or authorities dominant for some reason, same is happening with cricket.

Exactly the money is a factor. Every game is a business like you said. If you go through the FIFA World Cup there is the business. If you go through the cricket world cup there is the business. They generate a handsome revenue from these games. Gambling is also involved and they also take the benefits from this. Means everywhere you will see that the money is interfering.

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

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[jaberwock]

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

[Ayers]

Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

Don't know whether I can agree with you guys. IMO, Josh Little will gain more by playing in the IPL. What he will gain by becoming the captain of the Ireland side? Ireland hardly gets any matches against the pig-4 and nowadays they can't even win against team such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. And there are rumors that IPL franchises are trying to enter into direct contracts with overseas players, which will allow them these players to take part in franchise T20 leagues year round. International cricket is rapidly becoming irrelevant, outside the ICC tournaments.

It is true that international cricket is becoming more and more irrelevant. Franchise cricket and T20 league cricket are also becoming more and more popular day by day. But I think that transition is happening a little too fast. I don't know if Cricket is ready for that transition.

I say that because cricket is not popular all around the world. So international cricket losing its relevance is probably not going to be a good thing for cricket in the long run . Now I think the smaller associate countries are of course still trying to improve the national team because they do not have a base to create a t20 league. And that's where the problem starts. If international cricket is irrelevant how can they improve with the national team?

[pakhitheboss]

It is true that international cricket is becoming more and more irrelevant. Franchise cricket and T20 league cricket are also becoming more and more popular day by day. But I think that transition is happening a little too fast. I don't know if Cricket is ready for that transition.

Only one franchise cricket is a big success and not all. Therefore your argument that T20 cricket is becoming more relevant is baseless. If multiple franchise  leagues were a huge success then your argument would have been relevant. The right sentence here would be and which I also agree is that ODI and Test cricket becoming irrelevant with T20 fromat becoming more relevant. Players are eager to play this format not just because of money but also because it gets over in just 3 hours. Physically they can play more T20 games without getting injured then other formats.

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Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

[pakhitheboss]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

[Naficopa]

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

It is not really acceptable if a team like Pakistan loses to Zimbabwe like this. Because Pakistan team is much higher than Zimbabwe in the points table and Pakistan is ahead in all aspects in terms of performance and quality of players and experience.

[DanWalker]

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.

I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

[BobK71]

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.

I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

Any match between Pakistan and India is definitely different. There are enough reasons behind it. Being geographically adjacent countries, it is not unusual for them to have many things in common. Moreover, If review its history there would have been extreme cricket fights between these two countries. I will not take any support both of the two countries. Just think if India get 40 percent of money from total distributed amount from ICC then it must be understood that ICC earn more from India. But the rest of the other countries are not even close to it. So comparing India vs Pakistan match with other countries is irrelevant. Because if these two countries play, the entire cricket world will be shaken.

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Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

The Pakistan team has to improve a lot. I will also say that they have a long way to go. So they also have a long time to figure things out. And of course, this was not an official match.

Well, the whole series was not official. So, I don't think it is going to matter too much. The only thing this does is to show Pakistan in which area they have to improve. And I think I can confidently say that they have a lot of areas to work on. At the same time, Zimbabwe looks to have a good young team in the making.

[DanWalker]

The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.
I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

Any match between Pakistan and India is definitely different. There are enough reasons behind it. Being geographically adjacent countries, it is not unusual for them to have many things in common. Moreover, If review its history there would have been extreme cricket fights between these two countries. I will not take any support both of the two countries. Just think if India get 40 percent of money from total distributed amount from ICC then it must be understood that ICC earn more from India. But the rest of the other countries are not even close to it. So comparing India vs Pakistan match with other countries is irrelevant. Because if these two countries play, the entire cricket world will be shaken.

When it comes to India versus Pakistan we all know that a great battle is going to take place. Both of the countries actually got separated from each other but to be honest, the hatred between them is still there. And the hatred is often fuelled by the media and the politicians of both countries.

Of course, the countries and the general people of these countries are not going to go to war against each other. So they really want their cricket team to beat the other. And whoever is the winning team in this match is going to call for a celebration in that certain country.

Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

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Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

[DanWalker]

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Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

Cricket is like a tradition in both countries. Both of them want to have the upper hand on the other when it comes to cricket. No other sports are so popular in these countries. And as I said people are crazy about cricket. They think cricket is the way to prove which team is superior.

Actually, it is a way to decide which country is superior in the mind of the people. We all know India has the upper hand in decision making in cricket compared to Pakistan. In order to reach that position, India has put in a lot of work. If Pakistan had good political leadership and did not have the problem of all presidents not being able to full fill the full quota of his reign I think Pakistan could have had political stability and also could have improved a lot just like India.

[romero121]

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Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

Cricket is like a tradition in both countries. Both of them want to have the upper hand on the other when it comes to cricket. No other sports are so popular in these countries. And as I said people are crazy about cricket. They think cricket is the way to prove which team is superior.

Actually, it is a way to decide which country is superior in the mind of the people. We all know India has the upper hand in decision making in cricket compared to Pakistan. In order to reach that position, India has put in a lot of work. If Pakistan had good political leadership and did not have the problem of all presidents not being able to full fill the full quota of his reign I think Pakistan could have had political stability and also could have improved a lot just like India.

I don't think people of both the countries have got a mentality thinking a win in cricket is superior to the other. Maybe this mentality could've been there in the past. Now things were different, people are much open. As in the above post it is like a tradition, the game have got into each and everyone. Whether they play or not, everyone knows about Sachin Tendulkar. Even if there is nothing to talk, they'll start like no one can be same as Sachin Tendulkar. This is how cricket is within the two countries. In recent years the media to increase its viewers used to give hype with more promotional statements that shows one superior to the other.

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Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

How Zimbabwe won the series. They have 6 unofficial ODI's. And Zimbabwe won only two so how the Zimbabwe team won the series. Well, the last match won by the Pakistan team by DLS method. Pakistan was trying really well to win the match and they won. And now the series between these two team is 2-1. And the next means 4th ODI will be played tomorrow.

[pakhitheboss]

How Zimbabwe won the series. They have 6 unofficial ODI's. And Zimbabwe won only two so how the Zimbabwe team won the series. Well, the last match won by the Pakistan team by DLS method. Pakistan was trying really well to win the match and they won. And now the series between these two team is 2-1. And the next means 4th ODI will be played tomorrow.

Oh! Isit? I was not aware of it. I generally do not follow unofficial matches. The way everyone reacted about Pakistan losing against Zimbabwe made me believe that it might be a 3 match series.

If what you are saying is correct then Pakistan team still can win the series or level it.

[justdimin]

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

I agree but sadly we can't bring changes in near future because culture of subcontinent is completely different from the other world about many things and here peoples mostly wants to live with their personal ego's and own choices which are having big impact it is happening in these both countries just because of this we are still missing bright sides development which is happening around the world even many will be feeling India is growing very fast but in reality it is happening in few cities not all over India so just because of this we are feeling problems about few things specially only in cricket.

On other side Pakistan is going down badly due to domestic issues even many feeling now we are going to have another big disaster after 50 years again so in my view we are not going to have positive changes in this area and game as well.

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I agree but sadly we can't bring changes in near future because culture of subcontinent is completely different from the other world about many things and here peoples mostly wants to live with their personal ego's and own choices which are having big impact it is happening in these both countries just because of this we are still missing bright sides development which is happening around the world even many will be feeling India is growing very fast but in reality it is happening in few cities not all over India so just because of this we are feeling problems about few things specially only in cricket.

On other side Pakistan is going down badly due to domestic issues even many feeling now we are going to have another big disaster after 50 years again so in my view we are not going to have positive changes in this area and game as well.

I agree the culture is very different from the whole world. Except for India, the western neighbor is in the process of destroying itself, the southern has already done it. The Eastern neighbors are trying to solve their issues with the help of India.

Did you visit India? If not how will you know how much growth has happened? The infrastructure in tier 2 and tier 3 cities are far much better than the neighbors. 10 years back things were very much underdeveloped now there is a drastic change. I live in India and I know what is happening. Indians know it and we tend to ignore such foolish statements. I could not therefore I replied as I do not tend to ignore degraded statement about my country.

Pakistan is on the brink of either a Civil war or Martial law. This country never went up after becoming an independent country. They have gone down and down and now they are economically struggling but neither the US nor their friendly neighbor China has helped them. The next worst thing is that it is no more considered a respected nation in OIC.

Pakistan cricket would suffer because of what is happening in that country. Wait for a year or two and you will see they as in the PCB would be struggling to stay afloat.

PS -This is an ODI thread please do not make it a political discussion thread.  

 

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Did anyone see the match between Finland vs Sweden(Nordic t20 cup)?
I missed it but I saw the scoreboard what excited match it was. Sweden batted first and could take only 96 runs. The performance of the batsmen of both teams was absolutely worst. The top order batsmen of both the teams could not perform well. However, Finland performed a bit better than Sweden and caught the target run of 96 but the match went into super over as the ball ran out.
And Finland managed to get their win in Super Over but I think their batsmen should play more careful in the upcoming matches. If we see the below picture their form is not that good wicket fall ratio they also have a lot. But in the end, I think fans of both teams almost had a heart attack today
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[Vaskiy]

Did anyone see the match between Finland vs Sweden(Nordic t20 cup)?
I missed it but I saw the scoreboard what excited match it was. Sweden batted first and could take only 96 runs. The performance of the batsmen of both teams was absolutely worst. The top order batsmen of both the teams could not perform well. However, Finland performed a bit better than Sweden and caught the target run of 96 but the match went into super over as the ball ran out.
And Finland managed to get their win in Super Over but I think their batsmen should play more careful in the upcoming matches. If we see the below picture their form is not that good wicket fall ratio they also have a lot. But in the end, I think fans of both teams almost had a heart attack today
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After seeing the post went through the summary of the match. This is nothing a surprise, because in most of the matches the score of Finland is around 90-100 runs. Finland could've reached the target. In the super over both the teams have performed good. In a over Sweden have scored 13 runs and Finland have chased at the final ball reaching 15 runs. For a long we haven't seen any match ending in a super over. I expect one such match to take place in the IPL