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Question: What team will win the PBA 2021 All Filipino Conference?
Barangay Ginebra - 15 (45.5%)
SMB - 7 (21.2%)
Magnolia Hotshots - 4 (12.1%)
Talk and Text - 6 (18.2%)
Phoenix Fuel Masters - 1 (3%)
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December 20, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
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I agree with you, Bollick wasn't playing his usual game last time, so I'm sure they will make a huge adjustment this game.
IIRC, they were able to compete with the Meralco last game but only in the first half. It was a close contest after the first half but the big difference came in the 3rd quarter as Meralco outscored them big time, they only score 16 while Meralco had 33 points, that's a game changing that wasn't on their favor.

Bollick is not with NorthPort anymore kabayan, he was traded to NLEX.

Lost my bet on the first game as NorthPort didn't sustain their lead in the first three quarters.

Nevertheless, I will still be for the second game hoping I could recover my first game loss.

Magnolia -13.5 @1.75 vs DYIP
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December 20, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
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Nevertheless, I will still be for the second game hoping I could recover my first game loss.

Magnolia -13.5 @1.75 vs DYIP

We are on the same boat here, the only difference was I go for higher odds with -14.5.

So far, I can say that the decision was right because Magnolia is currently leading by 12 points already in the first quarter.  I know there's still more quarters to be played but its always fun to witness our team that are having a comfortable lead early.

This is a bounce back game, I'm sure they won't give this away.
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December 20, 2023, 12:56:38 PM
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Nevertheless, I will still be for the second game hoping I could recover my first game loss.

Magnolia -13.5 @1.75 vs DYIP

We are on the same boat here, the only difference was I go for higher odds with -14.5.

So far, I can say that the decision was right because Magnolia is currently leading by 12 points already in the first quarter.  I know there's still more quarters to be played but its always fun to witness our team that are having a comfortable lead early.

This is a bounce back game, I'm sure they won't give this away.

It's looking safe now, 57-38 is the halftime score. That's a 19 point lead by Magnolia, if they will take care of that lead even if DYIP would have a big run, the spread you guys bet on will give an easy win. Good luck to both of you, I hope this isn't like the games before that a winning team tried to relax in the 2nd half and just allow the heavy underdog to cover the handicap.

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December 20, 2023, 01:05:59 PM
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Nevertheless, I will still be for the second game hoping I could recover my first game loss.

Magnolia -13.5 @1.75 vs DYIP

We are on the same boat here, the only difference was I go for higher odds with -14.5.

So far, I can say that the decision was right because Magnolia is currently leading by 12 points already in the first quarter.  I know there's still more quarters to be played but its always fun to witness our team that are having a comfortable lead early.

This is a bounce back game, I'm sure they won't give this away.

It's looking safe now, 57-38 is the halftime score. That's a 19 point lead by Magnolia, if they will take care of that lead even if DYIP would have a big run, the spread you guys bet on will give an easy win.

That's why I was too earger in taking a higher spread for a higher odds. Now, I'm kinda regretting, I should have taken higher than what I took for an odds at least 2.00. So now, another 7-0 run, I think this night belongs to the Magnolia backers.


Good luck to both of you, I hope this isn't like the games before that a winning team tried to relax in the 2nd half and just allow the heavy underdog to cover the handicap.

Thanks, appreciate it.. and don't worry if DYIP will have a run as it's not new to us gamblers, but hopefully not tonigh.

Keep holding @bisdak40, we got this!
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December 20, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
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Keep holding @bisdak40, we got this!

Lol, yeah, I think our bet is in good hands now as Magnolia's lead almost ballooned to 30 points. DYIP has no answer to the balanced scoring of the Hotshots. Tyler Bey I think is a good candidate for this conference's Best Import Award as he average a double-double every game.

They say that it's not over until it is over but with this one, money in the bag for Magnolia Hotshots and a win for both of us @Sanitough hehe.
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December 20, 2023, 01:22:00 PM
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Nevertheless, I will still be for the second game hoping I could recover my first game loss.

Magnolia -13.5 @1.75 vs DYIP

We are on the same boat here, the only difference was I go for higher odds with -14.5.

So far, I can say that the decision was right because Magnolia is currently leading by 12 points already in the first quarter.  I know there's still more quarters to be played but its always fun to witness our team that are having a comfortable lead early.

This is a bounce back game, I'm sure they won't give this away.

It's looking safe now, 57-38 is the halftime score. That's a 19 point lead by Magnolia, if they will take care of that lead even if DYIP would have a big run, the spread you guys bet on will give an easy win. Good luck to both of you, I hope this isn't like the games before that a winning team tried to relax in the 2nd half and just allow the heavy underdog to cover the handicap.

Under 5 mins now and the lead jump high to almost 30points, I think even the bench players of Mags can keep that huge lead, let see as you mentioned that there's always possibilities if the heavy favorite will just relax out and let the underdog to cover, but knowing Mags, they are good in keeping the distance. They'll keep attacking and most of the time they will counter back any attempts of rally from their opponent.

One more quarter and we will see if both bets will win,. Chance is high but still the final buzzer will conclude it all.

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December 20, 2023, 02:50:16 PM
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Keep holding @bisdak40, we got this!

Lol, yeah, I think our bet is in good hands now as Magnolia's lead almost ballooned to 30 points. DYIP has no answer to the balanced scoring of the Hotshots. Tyler Bey I think is a good candidate for this conference's Best Import Award as he average a double-double every game.

They say that it's not over until it is over but with this one, money in the bag for Magnolia Hotshots and a win for both of us @Sanitough hehe.

Unfortunately the rig show striked again. Sorry guys, you both lose your bets as Magnolia only manage to win by 13 points after a huge 30 points lead.

PBA at it's finest, just by looking at the scoring in the 4th quarter, you can already tell that they are trying to achieve here.

13-31 -- MAGNOLIA quit and gave the handicap to DYIP.

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December 20, 2023, 03:59:35 PM
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Keep holding @bisdak40, we got this!

Lol, yeah, I think our bet is in good hands now as Magnolia's lead almost ballooned to 30 points. DYIP has no answer to the balanced scoring of the Hotshots. Tyler Bey I think is a good candidate for this conference's Best Import Award as he average a double-double every game.

They say that it's not over until it is over but with this one, money in the bag for Magnolia Hotshots and a win for both of us @Sanitough hehe.

Unfortunately the rig show striked again. Sorry guys, you both lose your bets as Magnolia only manage to win by 13 points after a huge 30 points lead.

PBA at it's finest, just by looking at the scoring in the 4th quarter, you can already tell that they are trying to achieve here.

13-31 -- MAGNOLIA quit and gave the handicap to DYIP.

Yeah you are right that mate as we can see that magnolia is ahead of 30+ in  that game but when the fourth band final quarter will come  I think magnolia players play it easy and not in their best as we all know that  DYIP push their score in the end of the game into almost single digits. But magnolia still won the match, congratulations for the gamblers who bet on magnolia teams. Anyways there are many. games upcoming so let's stay tuned.

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December 20, 2023, 11:50:07 PM
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Keep holding @bisdak40, we got this!

Lol, yeah, I think our bet is in good hands now as Magnolia's lead almost ballooned to 30 points. DYIP has no answer to the balanced scoring of the Hotshots. Tyler Bey I think is a good candidate for this conference's Best Import Award as he average a double-double every game.

They say that it's not over until it is over but with this one, money in the bag for Magnolia Hotshots and a win for both of us @Sanitough hehe.

Unfortunately the rig show striked again. Sorry guys, you both lose your bets as Magnolia only manage to win by 13 points after a huge 30 points lead.

PBA at it's finest, just by looking at the scoring in the 4th quarter, you can already tell that they are trying to achieve here.

13-31 -- MAGNOLIA quit and gave the handicap to DYIP.

 A pressure for the handicappers? Lucky for those who turned agaisnt Magnolia as what you mentioned,  they let DYIP to score and cover the handicap,  they just aimed for the win and stop putting that points for the score board, which is unusual I mean not for magnolia,  as I said they are known to cover the handicap especially if they are in the lead.

That rig issue for some bettors will come up and we can't blame them to think that way, but nothing that they can do but to move forward, just another day to reassess for the next coming games.

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December 21, 2023, 10:52:36 AM
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A pressure for the handicappers? Lucky for those who turned agaisnt Magnolia as what you mentioned,  they let DYIP to score and cover the handicap,  they just aimed for the win and stop putting that points for the score board, which is unusual I mean not for magnolia,  as I said they are known to cover the handicap especially if they are in the lead.

That rig issue for some bettors will come up and we can't blame them to think that way, but nothing that they can do but to move forward, just another day to reassess for the next coming games.

I thought that was money in the bag already as who would have thought that from 30 point lead, it goes down to just 13. I'm not a believer that there are riggings in the PBA but with what happened last night, I'm starting to believe that there must be something wrong with that game.

BTW, before that game started there was somewhat an acknowledgment that "Arena Plus" is one of the sponsors of PBA, what a coincidence.
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A pressure for the handicappers? Lucky for those who turned agaisnt Magnolia as what you mentioned,  they let DYIP to score and cover the handicap,  they just aimed for the win and stop putting that points for the score board, which is unusual I mean not for magnolia,  as I said they are known to cover the handicap especially if they are in the lead.

That rig issue for some bettors will come up and we can't blame them to think that way, but nothing that they can do but to move forward, just another day to reassess for the next coming games.

I thought that was money in the bag already as who would have thought that from 30 point lead, it goes down to just 13. I'm not a believer that there are riggings in the PBA but with what happened last night, I'm starting to believe that there must be something wrong with that game.
Now you can consider a possible rigging the next time you analyze your bet. Usually in rig game, those who losses are the public bettors, means, that time it was the Magnolia who are the public bet as everyone believe Magnolia will easily beat the DYIP with a huge margin. To make it look like an exciting game, and in fact it excites the magnolia bettors at the beginning because it was a clear win already, but damn, that 4th quarter was completely what they are trying to make it happen.

BTW, before that game started there was somewhat an acknowledgment that "Arena Plus" is one of the sponsors of PBA, what a coincidence.

Pardon me, I'm a bit confuse, how was it (Arena Plus) related to sports rigging?

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December 21, 2023, 02:15:21 PM
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Let's try that strategy which is betting against the public on games tomorrow.

Maybe let's help each other here to determine which side is on the public.

Game 1 : ROAD WARRIORS -2.5 vs BLACKWATER BOSSING +2.5

Game 2 : Bolts +2.5 vs Ginebra -2.5



My personal analysis, on game 1, the public bet will be on the Warriors -2.5, so the pick should be on Bossing. And on the 2nd game, it's obvious that Ginebra will get the public attraction, so the Pick will be Bolts +2.5.

Does it make sense?

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December 21, 2023, 04:32:51 PM
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A pressure for the handicappers? Lucky for those who turned agaisnt Magnolia as what you mentioned,  they let DYIP to score and cover the handicap,  they just aimed for the win and stop putting that points for the score board, which is unusual I mean not for magnolia,  as I said they are known to cover the handicap especially if they are in the lead.

That rig issue for some bettors will come up and we can't blame them to think that way, but nothing that they can do but to move forward, just another day to reassess for the next coming games.

I thought that was money in the bag already as who would have thought that from 30 point lead, it goes down to just 13. I'm not a believer that there are riggings in the PBA but with what happened last night, I'm starting to believe that there must be something wrong with that game.

BTW, before that game started there was somewhat an acknowledgment that "Arena Plus" is one of the sponsors of PBA, what a coincidence.

And that coincidence may say something regarding to what happened with that huge leads of Magnolia, just go with the flow and try to find the best way to read out all the possibilities and factors that may affects the outcome of the game, and that includes the possibility that there's strong hands behind that can change the possible outcome of the game.

Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.

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December 22, 2023, 02:00:25 AM
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Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.

The kind of adjustment we need if we believe that a game can be rig is simply not betting on teams that majority wants. I guess I need to be specific, when I say teams, this could mean a spread or handicap on a certain team, as just like the Magnolia vs DYIP, Magnolia is sure to be the team that the public wants and they actually won, but if the public bet on the spread, they lose.
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December 22, 2023, 07:15:40 AM
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Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.

The kind of adjustment we need if we believe that a game can be rig is simply not betting on teams that majority wants. I guess I need to be specific, when I say teams, this could mean a spread or handicap on a certain team, as just like the Magnolia vs DYIP, Magnolia is sure to be the team that the public wants and they actually won, but if the public bet on the spread, they lose.

No doubt that in that event Magnolia can easily win the game and that the very reason why the odd for ML is really small, pushing bettors to place their bet to handicap and that's all the rigging thing take place, if you will look on how that game being played, it will easily convinced that handicap can easily covered as Magnolia leads the game with a huge deficits, but coming that last period where they gave DYIP that easy look to the basket and failed to counter whatever DYIP is doing.

Though just another missed for bettors who understand the drill, just move on and try to find good game to recover back..Good luck Kabayan!

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December 22, 2023, 11:00:16 AM
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Missed to post but i managed to secure a winning bet on the first game today on the game between NLEX and Blackwater. Have bet for NLEX -3.5 @1.82, very close game until the end, luckily the Road Warriors managed to pull away for the win in the dying minutes of the ballgame.

Meralco vs Ginebra on the second game, must win for the Gin Kings but Meralco is hungry for the win either so i will be backing the latter ML @2.02.

Good luck on your bet guys.
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December 22, 2023, 07:49:15 PM
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Meralco vs Ginebra on the second game, must win for the Gin Kings but Meralco is hungry for the win either so i will be backing the latter ML @2.02.

Good luck on your bet guys.

We fell on the same trap man. I was thinking that Meralco could somehow give Ginebra a tough game and could win the game eventually but it has become a one sided beatdown. An easy double digit win by Ginebra here and probably that's because Scottie Thompson was back, honestly, I haven't read in the news that he'll be playing because if I knew, I wouldn't bet against the Ginebra.

Looking at the stats, their locals are really playing well, especially Ahanmissi who tallied 25 points, and despite their import are playing with poor offense, only 12 in the game, they still manage to have a dominating win.

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December 22, 2023, 09:04:00 PM
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Even though Ginebra is up in most part of the game, Coach Tim didn't use much his bench squad. Almost the entire game, the game was played by their starters. Thompson was a starter and Pringle as his backup coming from the bench is the only notable exchange that Ginebra did the whole game.

Maybe Ginebra is doing its best to improve its standings in the event of a tie as they are about having the same standing with 4 teams. Under the quotient system, the allowed score on a specific game is one of the factors to determine who will clinch the right spot. Basically, don't want to mess up on that or else will face sister teams right away in the quarterfinals.

Just my thought.

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December 22, 2023, 09:44:38 PM
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Even though Ginebra is up in most part of the game, Coach Tim didn't use much his bench squad. Almost the entire game, the game was played by their starters. Thompson was a starter and Pringle as his backup coming from the bench is the only notable exchange that Ginebra did the whole game.

Maybe Ginebra is doing its best to improve its standings in the event of a tie as they are about having the same standing with 4 teams. Under the quotient system, the allowed score on a specific game is one of the factors to determine who will clinch the right spot. Basically, don't want to mess up on that or else will face sister teams right away in the quarterfinals.

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Ginebra still won and maybe they are working with their standings to avoid this scenario, there’s no doubt about the bench of Ginebra but the coaching staff knows when to use them and playing against Meralco should not be an easy one for Ginebra, most probably they are taking this game one at a time. The goal is to get the championship again, and the coaching staff should be more strategic and playing against their sister team should be avoided at all cost so they can both enter the next round.
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December 23, 2023, 08:29:20 AM
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Even though Ginebra is up in most part of the game, Coach Tim didn't use much his bench squad. Almost the entire game, the game was played by their starters. Thompson was a starter and Pringle as his backup coming from the bench is the only notable exchange that Ginebra did the whole game.

Maybe Ginebra is doing its best to improve its standings in the event of a tie as they are about having the same standing with 4 teams. Under the quotient system, the allowed score on a specific game is one of the factors to determine who will clinch the right spot. Basically, don't want to mess up on that or else will face sister teams right away in the quarterfinals.

Just my thought.
Ginebra still won and maybe they are working with their standings to avoid this scenario, there’s no doubt about the bench of Ginebra but the coaching staff knows when to use them and playing against Meralco should not be an easy one for Ginebra, most probably they are taking this game one at a time. The goal is to get the championship again, and the coaching staff should be more strategic and playing against their sister team should be avoided at all cost so they can both enter the next round.

We didn't reliaze that Ginebra was in a losing streak prior to that game, so despite Meralco is a good team, Ginebra is the right bet as they will not gonna allow to be in a long losing streak. Thompson on his first game after getting injured already showed his 100% confidence by producing impressive numbers, he look like Morant of the Grizzlies who just came back and helped the team with a big victory.

Today, we have two games. The first game has already started, it's DYIP vs ROS, can't decide which team to bet so I just watch the game without putting money. However, in the 2nd game, it's Converge vs Magnolia, I think I'm betting on Magnolia even if they didn't cover the spread last time.

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