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November 05, 2023, 12:43:51 PM |
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[...] The problem was not in its tech but it was on its operator. If operator was wrongly taking the wrong decision and that's clear if it will not be changed.
The main problem if any parties have its own agenda. People were starting to take a look at var caused by it was a goal but the different reaction when it was not a goal. People will not care so much with it. This kind of situation is something common in the football. The dilemma regarding VAR system will still continue.
EPL needs this tech but at the same time this is also a boomeraing for the fairplay of this league.
The image shows it was out of play but we're only looking at it from the angle where the part of the ball touching the ground. I haven't seen a clear image that shows if the other side was completely over the line. I don't think the PL has that level of tech yet to prove without a shadow of a doubt if the ball is in or out. If it's inconclusive then the original call or non-call stands. There in addition to the possible ball going out of bounds, there were 2 other controversial moments that were watched with VAR. They were a possible foul by Joelinton against Gabriel and a possible offside by Gorodon. In general it was a difficult episode consisting of 3 moments, which decided a lot, and these three points that Newcastle earned they are still in favor of Manchester City, because Arsenal is still the only club that can fight with City for first place. The referee is certainly not enviable in such a case. we will wait for more decisions on refereeing in this match and see whether the counted goal will be considered a mistake of the judges or not.
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November 05, 2023, 12:44:19 PM |
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Newcastle playing at home allows its players to appear more confident and I'm sure Arteta will not accept his players being underestimated by this defeat.
Yes, that's right and even though Arsenal had more dominant possession of the ball against Newcastle in yesterday's match, it still didn't allow Arsenal to penetrate Newcastle's defense and score the winning goal, in the first half both of them played very hard, I know that both clubs played very aggressively and pressed. that's why yesterday's match was worth watching and I thought that the result would be a draw and get one point each. But Newcastle gave Arsenal a surprise in the second half where Gordon managed to score a goal without tight marking and that really made Arsenal lose confidence until the end of the match, they had to be satisfied with the result of this defeat and dropped to third place in the EPL standings at this time. Arteta of course has to accept the fact that Newcastle played better than Arsenal and from their defeat yesterday Arteta will of course study and overhaul the strategy he used in yesterday's match to be better in the next match.
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November 05, 2023, 12:46:12 PM |
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This match should belong to Tottenham because they are in their best performance and they will play at home. It's just that Tottenham must not be careless because even though Chelsea has less consistent performance, but Chelsea can still be a stumbling block for them. This is a tough season for Chelsea, their performance is not good and they often drop points when playing against opponents they should be able to beat but Chelsea can sometimes play well against big teams (they managed to hold Arsenal and Liverpool to a draw).
Mauricio Pochettino have another test this season, one thing I'm proud of Chelsea is their formidable shape against elite teams. They stand strong and haven't lost any tough game, perhapes they have record few defeats against mediocre teams. Another test for the Blues on monday, they are facing Tottenham, we all know that they're on streak winnings and Angelos Postecoglou doesn't stood this far to compromise his chances, possibly not now they're among the serious contenders for EPL title. I'm looking forward to see the Blues to be responsible for Tottenham Hotspur first defeats of the season.
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November 05, 2023, 01:03:26 PM |
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He wrote "this season" so there's no point in guessing what he meant. Newcastle is really strong, as are Arsenal, and also Liverpool + Tottenham. The problem is that they take points from each other, which works in City's favor. As for titles, maybe Arsenal will win the Champions League this year, that possibility exists, plus it would be a really “fresh” event. After all, even City, which won the Champions League for the first time last year, is already completely boring to everyone.
That would be refreshing if Arsenal does at least reach the final. Whether they win it, that remains to be seen but having them in the final would be nice. I still think that having Manchester City in the final would be also nice because they would still have to prove they can defend it. I usually prefer final participants to be from different countries, but if it was Arsenal vs Manchester City, that would definitely be worth watching for many reasons. Nope I won't even watch this final because Arsenal's winning percentage against City is too low for me to hope to not be disappointed with the result. In general, it will be good if all the major clubs meet again before the final so that we can see two-legged confrontations, and as for the final, I would be glad to see two underdogs there. But as always, there is a possibility that instead of an interesting finale we will see a fight between the favorite and the underdog.
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November 05, 2023, 01:05:07 PM |
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The goal by Newcastle against Arsenal is illegal. I don't know what those VAR referees were doing. This is ridiculous. There was a foul in attack, committed by the Newcastle player against the Arsenal player, which was close to the Arsenal goalkeeper. This goal is a joke. This is the second time VAR is failing, after the Liverpool goal against Tottenham, which was unfairly denied. Maybe VAR should be cancelled. VAR is doing more harm to the football than it goes any good. Newcastle became a really strong team and they will have big influence in the Premier league, but the fair result of this game was 0-0.
It is not the VAR fault,no not at all,it is the referees fault still that apparently no one at UEFA/FIFA take any measure against them even though they have enough evidence in front of them to judge fairly yet they seem to do what they want and not caring at all for such clear evidences. VAR is a wonderful technology but are the referees as always the faulty people who impact the games,I know referees are human and prone to human error yet it cannot be forgiven when they clearly make a mistake with all such evidence in front of them. Mikel Arteta was very upset after Newcastle scored a goal against Arsenal tonight: “Because it’s not a goal, not at all!”. The referees are having too much influence on the results, and it's completely unnecessary. The Premier League is starting to become something else. In that match, the ball had already gone, and it was even a foul on Gabriel. To be honest, English referees are among the least competent officials.
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November 05, 2023, 01:06:04 PM |
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The victory that Man United got against Fulham meant a lot to them. Not only does it maintain their chances in the Premier League, but this victory can increase their morale and self-confidence. Indeed, it was not their best performance but still, it is good progress and a good way to leave the negative trend behind. They still have a lot of work to do if they want to get back into the title race because if they continue to play like this, it will likely be difficult for them to break into the top 4.
Bruno Fernandes has provided a temporary respite for Ten Hag, but this hard-fought victory doesn't change the bigger picture. While Ten Hag may still believe that his players are fully behind him, it's clear that their performance has been lackluster, with just a few fortunate wins to show. Competing for titles this season seems like an impossible task for Manchester United; a more realistic goal would be to maintain their current ranking and secure a spot in the Europa League for the next season. Although Manchester United won this match, we have to say that their performance is still poor. And quite weak. They are not playing well. Manchester United were very lucky to win thanks to Bruno's last-minute goal. However, Fulham's overall gameplay was better than Manchester United's. If we consider the last few matches of Manchester United, then it is well understood that the performance of Manchester United is quite weak. They failed to score against Manchester City and Newcastle. Manchester United conceded 6 goals in these two matches. Narrow 1-0 wins over Copenhagen and Fulham. I'm still very upset with Ten Hag's match strategy. Manchester United won against Fulham but Manchester United's performance against Fulham was not good at all but we have to accept that Manchester United finally managed to win a match. They badly needed this win against Fulham. They have only been performing poorly in the Premier League or other tournaments so their win against Fulham will surely give them confidence for the next match. manchester united scored a goal in extra time that extra time i didn't watch the game after watching some time in the fast half i thought maybe manchester united can't do well in today's match so i stopped watching the game but when i saw the result of the match i was a bit happy because manchester United won. Yes, the team like Man United was expected to win the match by at least 2-0 goals, so even though Man United won the match, winning the match with Fulham by 1-0 goals cannot be considered as a good game.Man United were able to maintain their winning streak with a goal in 90+1 minutes or the last minute of the game, otherwise the match would have been a 0-0 draw. However in the end they were able to win the match as they were able to save their honor he he lol Even if Manchester United lose a match, I have no regrets if they can show their best performance in that match. Manchester United won against Fulham but Manchester United's performance was not good at all in this match. If Manchester United is compared with Fulham, then I think Manchester United will be much ahead of Fulham. I don't understand why Manchester United performed like this despite being ahead in every way against Fulham. Manchester United certainly have a problem in one area that they have yet to figure out. If they didn't have the problem, they wouldn't have performed so consistently poorly. This season they are performing several times worse than the performance of Manchester United last season. If they continue to perform like this, there will be doubts about their qualification for the European League, let alone the Champions League.
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November 05, 2023, 01:12:20 PM |
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The goal by Newcastle against Arsenal is illegal. I don't know what those VAR referees were doing. This is ridiculous. There was a foul in attack, committed by the Newcastle player against the Arsenal player, which was close to the Arsenal goalkeeper. This goal is a joke. This is the second time VAR is failing, after the Liverpool goal against Tottenham, which was unfairly denied. Maybe VAR should be cancelled. VAR is doing more harm to the football than it goes any good. Newcastle became a really strong team and they will have big influence in the Premier league, but the fair result of this game was 0-0.
It is not the VAR fault,no not at all,it is the referees fault still that apparently no one at UEFA/FIFA take any measure against them even though they have enough evidence in front of them to judge fairly yet they seem to do what they want and not caring at all for such clear evidences. VAR is a wonderful technology but are the referees as always the faulty people who impact the games,I know referees are human and prone to human error yet it cannot be forgiven when they clearly make a mistake with all such evidence in front of them. Mikel Arteta was furious after Newcastle goal vs Arsenal tonight: “Because it’s not a goal, not at all!”. The referees are having too much influence on the results, and it's completely unnecessary. The Premier League is starting to become something else. In that match, the ball had already gone, and it was even a foul on Gabriel. To be honest, English referees are among the least competent officials. The referee is the own that should be blamed because he has the final decision since he is the one in charge of the match and no one can do anything but to obey his decisions. The referee made Arsenal to loss all three points yesterday and this has affected their points. Newcastle were given an advantage on that decision maybe because they are playing at home, but it is was not called for. Arsenal was suppose to have scored since and this would have not happened. The referee should be questioned by FIFA.
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November 05, 2023, 01:24:18 PM |
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Thanks to his impressive performance when Manchester City managed to crush Bournemouth at the Etihad Stadium, Jeremy Doku was included in the list as a player who contributed 4 assists in 1 match. On that list he is with other great players and this is a fantastic record for a young player who is shining and I think Manchester City was right to sign him last summer. In this match, Jeremy Doku appeared as a starter replacing Jack Grealish, who seems to be being rested by Pep Guardiola ahead of next week's Champions League match. However, not only did he contribute with 4 assists in the match, but Jeremy Doku also scored a brace in this match. He is Manchester City's future player and it looks like Manchester City will continue to keep him.
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November 05, 2023, 01:32:03 PM |
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The goal by Newcastle against Arsenal is illegal. I don't know what those VAR referees were doing. This is ridiculous. There was a foul in attack, committed by the Newcastle player against the Arsenal player, which was close to the Arsenal goalkeeper. This goal is a joke. This is the second time VAR is failing, after the Liverpool goal against Tottenham, which was unfairly denied. Maybe VAR should be cancelled. VAR is doing more harm to the football than it goes any good. Newcastle became a really strong team and they will have big influence in the Premier league, but the fair result of this game was 0-0.
They are incompetent and cannot provide a fair support when serious games are on going. VAR was Arsenals last hope of getting a tie in that game but they couldn't turn up. That foul was caused by Joelinton, the impact placed on Arsenals defender was simply too much and too obvious to be seen. And then the yellow card of Kai Havertz also shouldn't have been a yellow but a straight red that was indeed reckless tackle. You know they have been the best defending side from last season and has been doing well also. Mikel Arteta was seen lamenting immediately after the game to the press about the issues. Good to see him speaking up just like Jose Mourinho. That goal was a clear foul, it shouldn't have been awarded It makes me feel like VAR are working on some games with the organizers of the Premier League.
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November 05, 2023, 01:33:21 PM |
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The referee is the own that should be blamed because he has the final decision since he is the one in charge of the match and no one can do anything but to obey his decisions. The referee made Arsenal to loss all three points yesterday and this has affected their points. Newcastle were given an advantage on that decision maybe because they are playing at home, but it is was not called for. Arsenal was suppose to have scored since and this would have not happened. The referee should be questioned by FIFA.
There are several Premier League matches this season that are similar to the Newcastle vs Arsena match. I remember a few weeks ago when Liverpool were injured by the referee's decision when facing Tottenham, no one could do anything, that's how football is, referees and other match officials are also human beings who don't make mistakes. Of course, the Arsenal players were very disappointed because they were the ones who suffered losses, but apart from that, they also couldn't afford to dwell on their first defeat. Arteta must be able to motivate Arsenal players to get up in the next match so that they can return to a positive trend. Newcastle is slowly starting to crawl to the top of the standings, Newcastle's current performance is better and this team has made quite an improvement, I think Newcastle is not stopping here and they should be wary of this season in the fight for the title.
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November 05, 2023, 02:05:17 PM |
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Thanks to his impressive performance when Manchester City managed to crush Bournemouth at the Etihad Stadium, Jeremy Doku was included in the list as a player who contributed 4 assists in 1 match. On that list he is with other great players and this is a fantastic record for a young player who is shining and I think Manchester City was right to sign him last summer. In this match, Jeremy Doku appeared as a starter replacing Jack Grealish, who seems to be being rested by Pep Guardiola ahead of next week's Champions League match. However, not only did he contribute with 4 assists in the match, but Jeremy Doku also scored a brace in this match. He is Manchester City's future player and it looks like Manchester City will continue to keep him. I didn't know this guy before and was wondering where he comes from, but when I saw him playing I was really impressed by the speed he adds to the Manchester City game. He is extremely good in 1v1 dribblings and he is also a threat for the opponents as a scorer and he is good at preparing goals with his speed. I think this guy deserves to get his chances and he is always an option when someone like Grealish needs a break, is injured or maybe Guardiola decides to let him play because he offers a different style.
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November 05, 2023, 02:05:56 PM |
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The referee is the own that should be blamed because he has the final decision since he is the one in charge of the match and no one can do anything but to obey his decisions. The referee made Arsenal to loss all three points yesterday and this has affected their points. Newcastle were given an advantage on that decision maybe because they are playing at home, but it is was not called for. Arsenal was suppose to have scored since and this would have not happened. The referee should be questioned by FIFA.
The decision has been taken by the referee and it will be useless caused by blaming the referee will not change the situation. Arsenal must have accepted its first lose this season. You must also see the previous case related to the VAR. It's always become a disaster. It's caused by the referee and operators were always taking the wrong decision regarding the result from their analyzation. It's such a huge mistake being made by the referee and this is not the first time. I don't know how long the referee will try to repeat the same mistake over and over. Arsenal has become a club that is getting disadvantage at this moment. Look at so many complaints towards the referee in the previous case but nothing happen. We are only wasting our energy to complaint about that. Let those fucking referee was continuing to do their jobs. Im also vedy disappointed but since it was a final decision and i can't reall sure blaming the referee will change the situation.
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November 05, 2023, 02:21:07 PM |
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But Newcastle gave Arsenal a surprise in the second half where Gordon managed to score a goal without tight marking and that really made Arsenal lose confidence until the end of the match, they had to be satisfied with the result of this defeat and dropped to third place in the EPL standings at this time. Arteta of course has to accept the fact that Newcastle played better than Arsenal and from their defeat yesterday Arteta will of course study and overhaul the strategy he used in yesterday's match to be better in the next match. It's not like that because what Arteta said to the media about Newcastle's goal was controversial even though it was seen by VAR and the ball was seen off the line but it was still a goal. See what Arteta said he had 20 years in the English league but this time was embarrassed by the referee's decision, and so we know this has happened when Liverpool vs Tottenham first. So it's not entirely Arteta's fault that he had to overhaul his strategy, because it should have been a draw but lost because he felt cheated, but who knows Arsenal still lost and Newcastle are now much better.
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November 05, 2023, 02:25:19 PM |
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The referee is the own that should be blamed because he has the final decision since he is the one in charge of the match and no one can do anything but to obey his decisions. The referee made Arsenal to loss all three points yesterday and this has affected their points. Newcastle were given an advantage on that decision maybe because they are playing at home, but it is was not called for. Arsenal was suppose to have scored since and this would have not happened. The referee should be questioned by FIFA.
It is truly okay to ask FIFA to go ahead in questioning the referee on his decisions yesterday. I wonder why or what is the essence of bringing the VAR referee into the game when after 4 solid minutes spent, the VAR decision was not yet final. This is not the first time we are encountering cases like this where the VAR corruption is addressed standard and despite that the VAR referee was employed to further right the wrongs in the making and losing of goals, it's decision are not regarded final. It was further speculated that the goal awarded by the referee yesterday was as a result of home advantage since Arsenal was playing the game as away. Regardless of what it is, you do not use a home advantage to validate a goal that was utterly criticized. I am pretty much ashamed of Arsenal over their performance yesterday, first half was fine and averagely okay but during their second half, the likes of Harvertz were meant to br immediately substituted while Arsenal continues to hunt for goals but they slacked all through to the lost that caused them the 3 points.
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November 05, 2023, 02:26:13 PM |
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I didn't know this guy before and was wondering where he comes from, but when I saw him playing I was really impressed by the speed he adds to the Manchester City game. He is extremely good in 1v1 dribblings and he is also a threat for the opponents as a scorer and he is good at preparing goals with his speed. I think this guy deserves to get his chances and he is always an option when someone like Grealish needs a break, is injured or maybe Guardiola decides to let him play because he offers a different style.
One thing I like about Pep Guardiola is that he always select the best and go for them,and even help them to improve more,this young lad is the future of Manchester City and he's going to help them achieve alot, I think he's a very good replacement for Mahrez cause he's young, skilled got speed and could play both flank,if only their neighbours Manchester United could imitate them and go for players that would suit their clubs standard them I think they'll go back to their glory days. With the way Doku is improving in every match he plays I think Pep Guardiola would consider giving him more chance than Grealish and instead of being a 2nd option they could be using him as a starter, because he's very impressive on the ball and got better skills and is faster than Grealish and the fact that he plays both flanks could also be threatening to Grealish starting.
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November 05, 2023, 02:28:38 PM |
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The players of Liverpool might need to be wary of Luton Town stealing crucial points from them today when these two teams play against each other as Sheffield United had managed to secure a rare victory against Wolverhampton Wanderers yesterday from a penalty in additional time. Liverpool are performing much better this season as they are getting closer on their chase against other teams to the top of the table, I guess Liverpool should be able to secure a victory against Luton Town at the end of the match.
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November 05, 2023, 02:32:02 PM |
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Thanks to his impressive performance when Manchester City managed to crush Bournemouth at the Etihad Stadium, Jeremy Doku was included in the list as a player who contributed 4 assists in 1 match. On that list he is with other great players and this is a fantastic record for a young player who is shining and I think Manchester City was right to sign him last summer. In this match, Jeremy Doku appeared as a starter replacing Jack Grealish, who seems to be being rested by Pep Guardiola ahead of next week's Champions League match. However, not only did he contribute with 4 assists in the match, but Jeremy Doku also scored a brace in this match. He is Manchester City's future player and it looks like Manchester City will continue to keep him. I didn't know this guy before and was wondering where he comes from, but when I saw him playing I was really impressed by the speed he adds to the Manchester City game. He is extremely good in 1v1 dribblings and he is also a threat for the opponents as a scorer and he is good at preparing goals with his speed. I think this guy deserves to get his chances and he is always an option when someone like Grealish needs a break, is injured or maybe Guardiola decides to let him play because he offers a different style. To be honest didn't know him before this match either. Turns out he was bought from Rennes and as usual Manchester City's scouting department is doing a great job. It is interesting that before that 4 assists per match were made mainly by Arsenal players, and in the season 21/22 Pogba and apparently this is the end of his playing career, and the main thing is that Doc did not happen to Pogba. From the first games it seemed that the player is still young and not very experienced, but now after this match I think that his adaptation is practical.
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November 05, 2023, 02:33:06 PM |
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I didn't know this guy before and was wondering where he comes from, but when I saw him playing I was really impressed by the speed he adds to the Manchester City game. He is extremely good in 1v1 dribblings and he is also a threat for the opponents as a scorer and he is good at preparing goals with his speed. I think this guy deserves to get his chances and he is always an option when someone like Grealish needs a break, is injured or maybe Guardiola decides to let him play because he offers a different style.
Jérémy Doku is young talented for Pep Guardiola and I don't know him before joining with Manchester City in this season, still 21 years old but he was success take one regular position place under Pep Guardiola scheme. Last season, he played for Rennes as Ligue 1 team and smart scout talent make Jérémy Doku become special transfer for Manchester City. I doubt with Pep Guardiola signed players without popular name and play in Ligue 1 can't guarantee will get first or main position. Actually Jérémy Doku have played 12 matches all competition for Manchester City, he has 8 cap in Premier League with 2 goals and 5 assists, in Champion League he played three matches with one goal and assists then he has performed in EFL Cup.
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November 05, 2023, 02:39:26 PM |
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Nottingham Forest decided not to wait long with a goal and scored to Aston Villa already in the 5th minute. Despite the goal Aston Villa after its impressive series remains the favorite in this match, and such a quick goal will help teams to loosen up and usually in games with Aston Villa get a lot of goals, so I believe it is clearly not the last goal in the match.
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November 05, 2023, 02:40:37 PM |
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The decision has been taken by the referee and it will be useless caused by blaming the referee will not change the situation. Arsenal must have accepted its first lose this season. You must also see the previous case related to the VAR. It's always become a disaster.
The technology has made decision making in football very inconsistent. The same decision that has been taken in favor of one team will not be the same in another game involving another team. The officials behind the technology should by now have recorded these cases and the judgements that ruled so that they will be able to have a reference the next time similar situations happen. Arsenal's record of not loosing any game has been spoilt because of bad decision from the referee.
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