Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[robelneo]

And for the Helenius fight, Wilder came in a bit lighter as compare to his second fight with Fury,  214½ lbs, 23½ lbs lighter than what he weighed when Fury knock him. But this is what 'naturally' he weight during his career in the heavyweight.

And so it seems that we will be back to his usual weight and expect he will move lightly but still possesses that heavy handed hand to score a knock out win against Helenius.

The additional weight on his recent match against Fury takes a toil in the latter rounds, he should go back to his normal weight which is the lighter one, because whether he is light or heavy the power punch will always be there, but if you're heavier than your average weight the punch will be slower to come or telepathic but the impact is still there, coming gin heavy in his fight against Fury was a big gamble that backfires, Wilder should learn his lesson and go back to the weight where he is more comfortable.

[lionheart78]

And for the Helenius fight, Wilder came in a bit lighter as compare to his second fight with Fury,  214½ lbs, 23½ lbs lighter than what he weighed when Fury knock him. But this is what 'naturally' he weight during his career in the heavyweight.

And so it seems that we will be back to his usual weight and expect he will move lightly but still possesses that heavy handed hand to score a knock out win against Helenius.

I think Wilder's agility and speed depend on how he nourishes himself back.  If he didn't overweight we can possibly see Wilder moving lighter and may have a bit faster reflex with the same devastating one-punch KO.  I also think Wilder can win via KO against Helenius.  As I look at the record of Helenius, got stopped twice in his 3 losses so it is highly possible that Wilder will KO Helenius in this fight.  Though wilder is also got stopped twice but the KO percentage of Wilder is really high compared to Helenius.

I think Wilder just got unlucky on his two losses because it came from his nemesis - Tyson Fury who knows his Achilles heel.

[Ararbermas]

I think Wilder's agility and speed depend on how he nourishes himself back.  If he didn't overweight we can possibly see Wilder moving lighter and may have a bit faster reflex with the same devastating one-punch KO.  I also think Wilder can win via KO against Helenius.  As I look at the record of Helenius, got stopped twice in his 3 losses so it is highly possible that Wilder will KO Helenius in this fight.  Though wilder is also got stopped twice but the KO percentage of Wilder is really high compared to Helenius.

I think Wilder just got unlucky on his two losses because it came from his nemesis - Tyson Fury who knows his Achilles heel.

wilder is the monster and in heavy weight it seems tyson is the only one that can give him problems.. Lol not that helenius because it's nothing for him and surely it will get knocked out very early if wilder caught his weakness, strategy and technique.

And i noticed it as well that wilder is getting faster and stronger, he seems like a monster now that trying to regain his reputation on the heavy weight division.

[harizen]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Former eight-division world champion Manny Pacquiao says he’s open to the idea of taking on the winner of the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford fight. Pacquiao would need to come out of retirement to fight the winner of that clash. If Pacquiao is serious about wanting to fight the winner, he needs to return to the ring and get a fight under his belt against a top-tier opponent. The boxing public would be more interested in seeing Pacquiao fight the Spence-Crawford winner if he shows that he still possesses his skills by defeating a top 20 contender first.

The 43-year-old Pacquiao (62-8-2, 39 KOs) was asked on Thursday if he’d like to face the still-unsigned Spence-Crawford winner, and he asked in the affirmative.

What do you think guys? Can Pacquiao still have that fierce to compete with either Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford?

Personally, for me, even if he is fit and capable to fight, it's better to just enjoy his retirement while making money thru exhibition fights.

No need to achieve new things to add to his already established successful legacy. That's enough.

[freedomgo]

Because his chances are not the same anymore just like his power, speed and defense maneuvers. He cannot hide that fact that he is already old even if he's still fight in exhibitions, he will have the ring rust effect if he will choose to deal with the likes of Pacquiao nowadays, a May-Pac fight is profitable but knowing Mayweather, he doesn't want to get embarrassed from being defeated.

He doesn't really taste defeated ever since so what do you think he would feel if he gets defeated by Manny Pacquaio, or any boxer there is or should I say a Youtuber or an MMA fighter defeating Mayweather that level of embarrassment he would feel, because he hasn't experienced it at all, so experiencing it now could be a different effect for him, I'd say I'd really like to see that he gets embarrassed by a non-boxer inside the ring and the sports that he loves so much, I really want to see his reaction, and what would he feel,

That is true and I admire him for that because up to this day, he's still clever enough to know what should he do that is right and what is not, considering the hundreds of millions they can acquire if they decide to have a second dance in the ring. Bottomline is he cannot risk the ½ of ³ defeated af this point knowing how competitive Pacman is.

He is good in picking the fight that he will be taking, for sure if ever that a huge noise will created to push him to face Pacman again he will continue to ignore it, knowing that at this point of his physical condition he can't matchup with Pacman's capabilities, until now, there are still people who are questioning his win, we can remove the fact that Pacman's supporters believes that Pacman win that fight, with those numbers of throw punches and converted, though there's no way to contest that judgement and it will remain the same since both fighters/legends are now retired.

Well, there are indeed some doubts and that they believe Mayweather didn't deserved that win because Pacquiao outboxed him, mosty are fans of Pacquiao and the others were an independent but the noise they made that time created an issue that is why a remactch should happen but it didn't happen because Mayweather is not letting it. That will only remain a history and we can't do anything about that because we can't have the time go backwards.

[Jawhead999]

What do you think guys? Can Pacquiao still have that fierce to compete with either Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford?

Personally, for me, even if he is fit and capable to fight, it's better to just enjoy his retirement while making money thru exhibition fights.

No need to achieve new things to add to his already established successful legacy. That's enough.

He didn't even beat Yordenis Ugas on the last year, how can he just blatantly challenging the best boxer at welterweight division? it sound like he's just joking. I don't see any chance if Pacquiao can beat either Spence or Crawford, moreover Pacquiao has a high chance to get KO'ed by them lol.

At least he need a rematch against Ugas and prove if he's have a power to fight against Spence or Crawford, after that there's will be a lot hype if Pacquiao could beat them.

[Russlenat]

At least he need a rematch against Ugas and prove if he's have a power to fight against Spence or Crawford, after that there's will be a lot hype if Pacquiao could beat them.

I believe he can match either Spence of Crawford with proper training, but he can start with a rematch against Ugas, I'm pretty sure Ugas would not say no because when he was asked after the fight against Pacman, he was open for a rematch, so Pacman could start on that if he is planning to go off of retirement.

[YuginKadoya]

Pretty clever inside and outside the ring. I mean he's got talent but less entertaining compared to most top boxers who can trade blows all throughout the fight. He carefully built his career and remain undefeated so he can demand whatever he want because he has the perfect record.

Anyway, has of you heard of the exhibition fight between Hatton and Barrera? I know this would not get enough attention as these both fighters are way way out of shape lol. I'm not sure what Hatton wants to happen, but I think he's trying to earn here once more. But, I'm a bit worried of his health as he was inactive for than 9 yrs.

Well, it is Mayweather's style and he is more in debt to that kind of Boxing style it is like his signature move, and now I think Fans misunderstand his way of boxing so much that they are bored while watching him, this really happens when people aren't familiar with the way he box, but I think they surely do now, and he cleverly executed it in his own style,

Boxer's return indicated that they needed income, even though Ricky Hatton and Marco Antonio Barrera both are not in their shape anymore I think they pretty much need some salary so I think they will get this on, and knowing it is just an exhibition match they are not much risk seeing how Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are doing it then why couldn't they,

I believe he can match either Spence of Crawford with proper training, but he can start with a rematch against Ugas, I'm pretty sure Ugas would not say no because when he was asked after the fight against Pacman, he was open for a rematch, so Pacman could start on that if he is planning to go off of retirement.

I think he can not do it, seeing him against Ugas, was pretty much devastating seeing him unable to open his eyes and his wife needing to spoon-feed him because he can not see in both of his eyes, I think this is an indicator that he can not withstand a strong punch from Ugas, and this is the 1st time that I have seen him in this state, He already retired maybe if that boxer were retired I think he can go with an exhibition match, but for now, it is highly unlikely for him to return to the boxing ring,

[mirakal]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Former eight-division world champion Manny Pacquiao says he’s open to the idea of taking on the winner of the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford fight. Pacquiao would need to come out of retirement to fight the winner of that clash. If Pacquiao is serious about wanting to fight the winner, he needs to return to the ring and get a fight under his belt against a top-tier opponent. The boxing public would be more interested in seeing Pacquiao fight the Spence-Crawford winner if he shows that he still possesses his skills by defeating a top 20 contender first.

The 43-year-old Pacquiao (62-8-2, 39 KOs) was asked on Thursday if he’d like to face the still-unsigned Spence-Crawford winner, and he asked in the affirmative.

What do you think guys? Can Pacquiao still have that fierce to compete with either Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford?

Personally, for me, even if he is fit and capable to fight, it's better to just enjoy his retirement while making money thru exhibition fights.

No need to achieve new things to add to his already established successful legacy. That's enough.

Did Pacquiao actually said that? Or is it just a writer who made up some stories to get an attention? Because I really don't think Manny Pacquiao is that dumb to consider fighting an undisputed boxer in what was toutred as the most challenging division. Crawford is already hard to defeat and the same goes for Spence. Let's not forget that Ugas defeated Pacquiao while Spence haven't had the hard time.

[Jating]

At least he need a rematch against Ugas and prove if he's have a power to fight against Spence or Crawford, after that there's will be a lot hype if Pacquiao could beat them.

I believe he can match either Spence of Crawford with proper training, but he can start with a rematch against Ugas, I'm pretty sure Ugas would not say no because when he was asked after the fight against Pacman, he was open for a rematch, so Pacman could start on that if he is planning to go off of retirement.

I would stir away from Ugas, if I'm Manny and if he wanted to make a comeback. Just choose someone in the 147 lbs that he can likely beat or will take a dive just to fight money and the money that he is going to earn.

But for a Ugas or Spence/Crawford fight, it will be a suicide for him to have his comeback fight. Those 3 boxers will be too big and powerful for Manny at this point.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Topic seems to be Manny Pacquiao.  , and I thought that he will have a exhibition match with a South Korean Youtuber this December?

And he has been seen in Japan watching Floyd exhibition match as well.

Now there is news of him making a comeback and wanting to fight the winner of the Crawford vs. Spence fight? I think something is not right and possible that the article is for click bait only.

[YuginKadoya]

Did Pacquiao actually said that? Or is it just a writer who made up some stories to get an attention? Because I really don't think Manny Pacquiao is that dumb to consider fighting an undisputed boxer in what was toutred as the most challenging division. Crawford is already hard to defeat and the same goes for Spence. Let's not forget that Ugas defeated Pacquiao while Spence haven't had the hard time.

I haven't seen or heard any article news about something like that but maybe it was just misguiding news about Pacquiao and now he is having his exhibition fight against a Korean Youtuber DK Yoo, Manny Pacquiao, and Errol Spence might have an unfinished fight that was canceled because of Spence having trouble with his medical condition and he had a retinal displacement that could make him blind when he continued to fight, so he canceled the fight for his future benefit,

I would stir away from Ugas, if I'm Manny and if he wanted to make a comeback. Just choose someone in the 147 lbs that he can likely beat or will take a dive just to fight money and the money that he is going to earn.

But for a Ugas or Spence/Crawford fight, it will be a suicide for him to have his comeback fight. Those 3 boxers will be too big and powerful for Manny at this point.

I agree, and if he retires I think he just needs to continue being retired and enjoy that retirement just like Mayweather did, he is not enjoying most of his exhibition matches even though many know that he would likely leave the stage unscathed and have a huge amount of money and this is just pure entertainment and not for competition, although his last fight was really a great fight he surely switched into a killer intent Mayweather just pull off that knockout win, against Mikuru Asakura,

I also think it is suicide if he returned again in the world of boxing, he should continue on his path to exhibition matched and pick a fight he can likely enjoy,

[Baofeng]

Hehehe, we don't know where that article steam from, Manny Pacquiao already hang up his gloves although there is speculation that he is coming back, it will be just on exhibition fights.

And you have to ask, if Pacman can make the same money as fighting exhibitions matches as compare to professional fight, then logic says he should stick to the latter. Because he won't be damage, as we all know that throughout his career he has been in great wars with Mexican fighters. And maybe he will have a effect on him, who knows when he age. So it's better for him to have this exhibition fights instead of going back to the 147 lbs wherein the current champions are going to be too big for him.

[Russlenat]

I believe he can match either Spence of Crawford with proper training, but he can start with a rematch against Ugas, I'm pretty sure Ugas would not say no because when he was asked after the fight against Pacman, he was open for a rematch, so Pacman could start on that if he is planning to go off of retirement.

I think he can not do it, seeing him against Ugas, was pretty much devastating seeing him unable to open his eyes and his wife needing to spoon-feed him because he can not see in both of his eyes, I think this is an indicator that he can not withstand a strong punch from Ugas, and this is the 1st time that I have seen him in this state, He already retired maybe if that boxer were retired I think he can go with an exhibition match, but for now, it is highly unlikely for him to return to the boxing ring,

I don't know that, didn't see a video that he was struggling after the fight. Manny had some excuse after the fight, it was the leg cramp that causes him not able to use his speed, so I'm thinking, what if he has no problem in that fight, will Ugas can still hit him?

[lionheart78]

What do you think guys? Can Pacquiao still have that fierce to compete with either Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford?

Personally, for me, even if he is fit and capable to fight, it's better to just enjoy his retirement while making money thru exhibition fights.

No need to achieve new things to add to his already established successful legacy. That's enough.

He didn't even beat Yordenis Ugas on the last year, how can he just blatantly challenging the best boxer at welterweight division? it sound like he's just joking. I don't see any chance if Pacquiao can beat either Spence or Crawford, moreover Pacquiao has a high chance to get KO'ed by them lol.

At least he need a rematch against Ugas and prove if he's have a power to fight against Spence or Crawford, after that there's will be a lot hype if Pacquiao could beat them.

Same here, though there are excuses in Pacquiao's camp after losing against Ugas, I think Pacquiao's performance isn't as good as before.  His winnings against heavier boxers is due to the advantage of catch-weight since heavier boxer has to drain more weight making them underperform due to overtraining.

I do not think Manny will win this time.  The challenge looks interesting but I believe Manny will lose this one too.  His performance against Ugas shows it all.

I don't know that, didn't see a video that he was struggling after the fight. Manny had some excuse after the fight, it was the leg cramp that causes him not able to use his speed, so I'm thinking, what if he has no problem in that fight, will Ugas can still hit him?

He failed to adjust that's it.  And Ugas defensive counter-punching stance taking advantage of having a longer reach proves that it is effective against Manny since Manny doesn't move well in that fight.  Besides, it is also possible that Manny's camp underestimated Ugas because Ugas wasn't that popular and explosive.

One thing is certain, when a boxer thinks he can do things but his body can follow through, it is a sign of aging.  Manny knows it reason why he retired.

[YuginKadoya]

I don't know that, didn't see a video that he was struggling after the fight. Manny had some excuse after the fight, it was the leg cramp that causes him not able to use his speed, so I'm thinking, what if he has no problem in that fight, will Ugas can still hit him?

Here is the VIDEO that I am talking about and the caption indicates it all, it was a past video and it was reported here aswell in the Philippines, well, maybe Manny Pacquaio could be on an advantage over Ugas if he hasn't that much problem, but again that punch of Ugas really damaging Manny that led to this I think his body can not take anymore beating because of his age,


Claressa Shields VS Savannah Marshall Claressa Shields has come a long way in getting that obstacle to move out of her and defeating Savannah Marshall was one of them because she was the only one that led a loss during their amateur fight on some Olympics game that I can't remember, and this win over Savannah Marshall is another big triumphant for her, and now having 13 wins and 0 losses I think that is a great record to now move on a further division, and I think it is really good enough,

[Fredomago]

I believe he can match either Spence of Crawford with proper training, but he can start with a rematch against Ugas, I'm pretty sure Ugas would not say no because when he was asked after the fight against Pacman, he was open for a rematch, so Pacman could start on that if he is planning to go off of retirement.

I think he can not do it, seeing him against Ugas, was pretty much devastating seeing him unable to open his eyes and his wife needing to spoon-feed him because he can not see in both of his eyes, I think this is an indicator that he can not withstand a strong punch from Ugas, and this is the 1st time that I have seen him in this state, He already retired maybe if that boxer were retired I think he can go with an exhibition match, but for now, it is highly unlikely for him to return to the boxing ring,

I don't know that, didn't see a video that he was struggling after the fight. Manny had some excuse after the fight, it was the leg cramp that causes him not able to use his speed, so I'm thinking, what if he has no problem in that fight, will Ugas can still hit him?

To answer that in my own words, Ugas doesn't have that chance if facing a prime Pacquiao. But things is no longer on Manny's control as age begins to bring the effect on his body, there's no doubt that he still want to fight and maybe there are many people who wanted this but he will just put his health at risk, there are many complications that may cause his life.

Better to let go of his past prime and enjoy doing exhibitions if he really wanted to entertain his fans.

Hehehe, we don't know where that article steam from, Manny Pacquiao already hang up his gloves although there is speculation that he is coming back, it will be just on exhibition fights.

And you have to ask, if Pacman can make the same money as fighting exhibitions matches as compare to professional fight, then logic says he should stick to the latter. Because he won't be damage, as we all know that throughout his career he has been in great wars with Mexican fighters. And maybe he will have a effect on him, who knows when he age. So it's better for him to have this exhibition fights instead of going back to the 147 lbs wherein the current champions are going to be too big for him.

Like what I've mentioned above, better to stick with easy money instead of risking his life, Pacquiao still has the charisma, bringing him inside the ring or putting his name on your articles will gather attentions. Not sure if he really made that statement or if he is serious calling that possible fight, because if he really aiming for that kind of fight then he needs to return to the ring and fight first with those fighters who are currently in the line for challenging the current title holder.

[danherbias07]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Former eight-division world champion Manny Pacquiao says he’s open to the idea of taking on the winner of the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford fight. Pacquiao would need to come out of retirement to fight the winner of that clash. If Pacquiao is serious about wanting to fight the winner, he needs to return to the ring and get a fight under his belt against a top-tier opponent. The boxing public would be more interested in seeing Pacquiao fight the Spence-Crawford winner if he shows that he still possesses his skills by defeating a top 20 contender first.

The 43-year-old Pacquiao (62-8-2, 39 KOs) was asked on Thursday if he’d like to face the still-unsigned Spence-Crawford winner, and he asked in the affirmative.

What do you think guys? Can Pacquiao still have that fierce to compete with either Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford?

Personally, for me, even if he is fit and capable to fight, it's better to just enjoy his retirement while making money thru exhibition fights.

No need to achieve new things to add to his already established successful legacy. That's enough.

I agree. He should focus on whatever he is doing in politics.
Maybe he can say these things because he does not have much to do yet. He recently lost the presidential race and his position as a senator is over.
If he can take a new position in the government then perhaps that will keep his mind off boxing.
He had done enough and he made a lot of Filipinos proud. Sure, there will be a lot of money in PPV and advertisements but in exchange for another stain in his record is not worth it.

[lionheart78]

It looks like Deontay Wilder is back scoring a first round knock out against Robert Helenius.  Helenius comes aggressive in the opening of the round but the thing I noticed is that every time he punches he is way too open for a counter punch which Wilder took advantage of.  Here is the part where Helenius is caught with a counterpunch after launching an attack.[1]

Claressa Shields VS Savannah Marshall Claressa Shields has come a long way in getting that obstacle to move out of her and defeating Savannah Marshall was one of them because she was the only one that led a loss during their amateur fight on some Olympics game that I can't remember, and this win over Savannah Marshall is another big triumphant for her, and now having 13 wins and 0 losses I think that is a great record to now move on a further division, and I think it is really good enough,

I really like how the talk on the post-fight interview  they shown respect to each other despite of some controversies that happened on their amateur days.  Shields had proven herself that she is the better boxer after 10 years but it won't change the fact that their amateur fight was judged wrongly.  


[1] https://youtu.be/3JR0W8IVaFY?t=169

[Baofeng]

Respect will always be there after they fight and it was evident in the ladies as well. We all know that Shields is the complete fighter and you can't compare their performance in the amateur fights.

As as expected, Wilder going back to his one punch KO. And as I have said, Wilder coming in low in this fight, so he might be looking to be back in his old self, knocking out opponents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9SGBvouy7U

You can see that once Wilder touches Helenius, it's over, look at the eye of Helenius in the canvass, it's scary.