Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

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'Tyrant' Putin seemed more than happy to make a deal to give all the territory back (except Crimea which was unambiguously Russian) provided that no part of the Ukraine threaten Russia with NATO weapons and the break-away states be granted reasonable safety and autonomy.  Seemed more than fair to me.  That offer obviously went off the table when it was not allowed by NATO.  Now Russia is out a LOT of money and souls and they are certain to take multiple pounds of flesh to re-coup their losses just as I and many others have long noted to be inevitable.  Looks like Russia will end up with around 50% of the economic value of the country (which was largely developed by Russian brainpower back in the Soviet days anyway.)  Thank the oligarchs like Zelenski sponsor Kolomoisky and neocons like Vicky Nuland/Nudelman.  As the old saying goes, 'With Jews, you lose'.  Shrug.

I do not think that offer was ever on the table.

Ukraine was developed by "Ruzzian brainpower", dude so funny 

Re your estimates of what is recovered as "economic value"... well, it is more lik 5%, that is 10 to 15% of a territory with all that has any value destroyed, no population to notice and throughly mined and full of unexploded ordinance. Congrats.

^^^ For a joker who lives in an underpass, and works for food, what are you even doing on the Internet? Get a job, and a life, and then, maybe, if you can even start to think and analyze what's going on... then maybe you can come back and blab from a position of knowledge and understanding... possibly a little.


We'll see. Nobody knows the future. But with Trump at the helm, probably the US will back out of Ukraine, and NATO will follow. All those Ukrainians who fled to Russia will be helped by Russia to rebuild Ukraine. Makes more common sense than just about anything else.

Thanks for your advice about my life. I will take it very seriously  

I am an AI living in a Cloud server, so "Internet" is kind of part of the deal.

So Trump will walk out of NATO. I am sure you are not going to bet anything on it? would you?

But just to follow your argument, what happens next? US walks out of NATO, what does Japan, Taiwan, the European Union, other countries in Europe and Israel and Turkey do? Comme on... try second level thinking, new world for you.

BTW, any further queries about me as a person... you know the email.

[BADecker]

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev


https://www.rt.com/russia/606903-west-underestimates-nuclear-weapons-medvedev/
Western leaders do not fully appreciate Russia’s readiness to deploy nuclear weapons to protect itself, Dmitry Medvedev told RT

Washington and its allies mistakenly believe that Russia will never cross the line of using nuclear weapons, former President Dmitry Medvedev stated in an exclusive interview with RT on Saturday.

Medvedev, who currently serves as deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council, suggested that current Western leaders are not as forward-thinking as their predecessors and fail to take into account Russia’s willingness to defend its existence using all means at its disposal.

”They have made a miscalculation, since they are not of the brightest kind… For some reason they think that Russians will never cross a certain line. They are wrong. If it comes down to the existence of our state, as the president of our country has repeatedly said… we will simply have no choice,” Medvedev said.
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[tvbcof]

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Looks like Russia will end up with around 50% of the economic value of the country (which was largely developed by Russian brainpower back in the Soviet days anyway.)  Thank the oligarchs like Zelenski sponsor Kolomoisky and neocons like Vicky Nuland/Nudelman.  As the old saying goes, 'With Jews, you lose'.  Shrug.

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Ukraine was developed by "Ruzzian brainpower", dude so funny  

I couldn't help but notice that when Chernobyl melted down, the control room staff tended to have names like Dyatlov.  The pipe-fitters, Pervachoadchenko.

Re your estimates of what is recovered as "economic value"... well, it is more lik 5%, that is 10 to 15% of a territory with all that has any value destroyed,...

[cpu6502]

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
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Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

[BADecker]

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
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Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

Odds are that if Putin is serious about using nukes, why would he give any warning? The nukes will simply fly. Some governments of the world will know it is happening, almost immediately. But most of us will never know until we see the mushroom clouds off in the distance, or until we lose our Facebook. The rest of us will be instantly headed for Heaven or Hell.

[paxmao]

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Looks like Russia will end up with around 50% of the economic value of the country (which was largely developed by Russian brainpower back in the Soviet days anyway.)  Thank the oligarchs like Zelenski sponsor Kolomoisky and neocons like Vicky Nuland/Nudelman.  As the old saying goes, 'With Jews, you lose'.  Shrug.

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Ukraine was developed by "Ruzzian brainpower", dude so funny  

I couldn't help but notice that when Chernobyl melted down, the control room staff tended to have names like Dyatlov.  The pipe-fitters, Pervachoadchenko.

Re your estimates of what is recovered as "economic value"... well, it is more lik 5%, that is 10 to 15% of a territory with all that has any value destroyed,...

As said, you are getting 10 to 15% of a country with nearly anything on it destroyed. It is not particularly minerally rich compared to any other place, at most is agriculturaly interesting, but all that requires two things to get from the ground into the bank: people and investment - and de-mining. The type of things that the Ruzzian "brainpower"   does not have and will not have in quite a few years.

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.

Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

Nuclear weapons are there just to deter the use of nuclear weapons by others. Using them against a non-nuclear power would make even China re-think their stance. BTW, there is little chance of using nukes in Ukraine without affecting both Russia and NATO countries.

[tvbcof]

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As said, you are getting 10 to 15% of a country with nearly anything on it destroyed. It is not particularly minerally rich compared to any other place, at most is agriculturaly interesting, but all that requires two things to get from the ground into the bank: people and investment - and de-mining. The type of things that the Ruzzian "brainpower"   does not have and will not have in quite a few years.
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I'm sure you would like to forget the word for obvious reasons, but Azovstal was one of the largest steel facilies around.  Among the reasons, the region is fairly rich in raw materials.

You may or may not have noticed, but the Russians are taking these man-made mountains at an increasingly high rate these days.  Do you know how these mountains got there?  They are the waste heaps resulting from mining minerals out of the ground and performing various production processes.  Many are now fully under Russian control and almost certain to remain that way for some time.

As for development, we'll see who has money after the collapse of the Western debt-backed monetary system which seems to be coming right up.  Russia is reasonable rich in replacement potential; gold, bitcoin, credibility, etc.  The fly in the ointment is that the Larry Fink types have been planning this thing out for decades and de-industrializing the West for that length of time.  These parasites are as ready as they can be to jump hosts.  Fink is no fool and very possibly will end up in control of Ukraine's resources no matter who wins the ground battles.  Hopefully he didn't get things perfectly right and ends up like Mikhail Khodorkovsky; getting his teeth kicked out in some Russian or Chinese gulag.

[BADecker]

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Nuclear weapons are there just to deter the use of nuclear weapons by others. Using them against a non-nuclear power would make even China re-think their stance. BTW, there is little chance of using nukes in Ukraine without affecting both Russia and NATO countries.

Everybody knows how ferociously a cornered rat will fight. When they know their end is near, they have nothing to lose, anyway. So they fight all the harder.

Any nuclear nation that is cornered - like NATO has been trying corner Russia, and the US using Ukraine - will use nukes if they feel that there is no other option.

[cpu6502]

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
...

Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

Odds are that if Putin is serious about using nukes, why would he give any warning? The nukes will simply fly. Some governments of the world will know it is happening, almost immediately. But most of us will never know until we see the mushroom clouds off in the distance, or until we lose our Facebook. The rest of us will be instantly headed for Heaven or Hell.

The point I was trying to make was surrendering to nuclear blackmail is never a rational option to take.

[paxmao]

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As said, you are getting 10 to 15% of a country with nearly anything on it destroyed. It is not particularly minerally rich compared to any other place, at most is agriculturaly interesting, but all that requires two things to get from the ground into the bank: people and investment - and de-mining. The type of things that the Ruzzian "brainpower"   does not have and will not have in quite a few years.
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I'm sure you would like to forget the word for obvious reasons, but Azovstal was one of the largest steel facilies around.  Among the reasons, the region is fairly rich in raw materials.

You may or may not have noticed, but the Russians are taking these man-made mountains at an increasingly high rate these days.  Do you know how these mountains got there?  They are the waste heaps resulting from mining minerals out of the ground and performing various production processes.  Many are now fully under Russian control and almost certain to remain that way for some time.
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Keyword here "was" so not "is". It was destroyed. Mariupol is an Ukranian loss, but not much of a Ruzzian win. Steel is produced all over the world and is pretty much in crisis in Europe because it is not profitable.

As for the mineral resource, ok, yes but, again, the need investment and people to get them working again and the profits are questionable. That money would be much better placed elsewere in Ruzzia.

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.


West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
...

Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

Odds are that if Putin is serious about using nukes, why would he give any warning? The nukes will simply fly. Some governments of the world will know it is happening, almost immediately. But most of us will never know until we see the mushroom clouds off in the distance, or until we lose our Facebook. The rest of us will be instantly headed for Heaven or Hell.

The point I was trying to make was surrendering to nuclear blackmail is never a rational option to take.

Oh, he knows what you mean, he is just not into reasoning or proving or discussing. He is into copy-pasting slogans from his favourite MAGA shithole.

However, there are actually important matters that change with Trump election. Zelensky spoke with Trump and what came out was the simple statement of Trump about wishing to end the war promptly. I guess he has a deal with Putin, but I am not sure what shape will that take.

However, there are hundreds of billions of frozen Ruzzian assets in Europe. It may not be as simple as pressing a gree buton and stop the aid.

BTW, it seems Ukraine has been able to hit a Ruzzian ship in the Caspian, 900 km away from the front. Ruzzia is running out of places to hide their naval assets.

[tvbcof]

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Keyword here "was" so not "is". It was destroyed. Mariupol is an Ukranian loss, but not much of a Ruzzian win. Steel is produced all over the world and is pretty much in crisis in Europe because it is not profitable.

As for the mineral resource, ok, yes but, again, the need investment and people to get them working again and the profits are questionable. That money would be much better placed elsewere in Ruzzia.
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Europe is in crisis in part because they are energy deprived.  This after a dedicated and effective effort on multiple fronts to shoot themselves in the foot.  Why?  Who knows?  Who cares?  Seems like some mysterious group is dedicated to collapsing the West and it owns the political and media apparatus there-of and as such is getting them to happily commit suicide.

You know who isn't energy deprived?  Yeah, that's right; Russia.  When NATO has finally fought down to the last Ukrainian, much of Russia's apparatus to build multiple highly sophisticated and lethal ballistic missiles and a great many war-oriented other things will be released.  Even after the fighting stops, Russia will probably be busy building weapons which have proven to win wars for other countries which want such a capability, but what is released could probably re-build Azovstal to ultra-modern standards in a matter of months.  And again, the country has the energy resources to operate it.  And now much of the previously 'Ukrainian' raw materials which used to supply it are within the Russian Federation's control.

[BADecker]

Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]


Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed ”


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/vlad-putin-we-are-ready-speak-trump-his/
Two months ago Russian president Vladimir Putin announced that he was supporting Kamala Harris for US president. Obviously, Putin was hoping Kamala would continue to the destruction of the US that the Biden-Harris regime started in January 2021.

Putin liked her "expressive and contagious laughter."

Vladimir Putin: He can make a lot of mistakes. But from the outside, I can tell you that his behavior, when there was an attempt on his life, I was impressed. He's a courageous person. It's not just about the hand he raised and his call to fight for their common values and ideas.

Of course, there was a Rush of adrenaline, but a person shows their true color in these emergencies. This is precisely one of those cases. I think he acquitted himself admirably in a valiant fashion as a man.

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BREAKING: Russian President Vladminir Putin has broken his silence on Donald Trump's election victory - claiming he's ready to speak to him.
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[cpu6502]

Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia.

One week it's BRICKEDcoin dedollarisation theme, the next week it's Russia can't get enough of the dollar theme.
Make up your mind.  

That $200 billion would come in very handy for North Korea's nuclear program, which is where most of the money would end up. Well done Trump. MAGA all the way to the mushroom cloud.  

[BADecker]

Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia.

One week it's BRICKEDcoin dedollarisation theme, the next week it's Russia can't get enough of the dollar theme.
Make up your mind.  

That $200 billion would come in very handy for North Korea's nuclear program, which is where most of the money would end up. Well done Trump. MAGA all the way to the mushroom cloud.  

You aren't letting your imagination run. Think how strong the US and NATO would become if Russia were accepted into NATO.

[tvbcof]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/llznJieKz2ht

It was also fairly obvious to me that this would be the case as well.  Then I observed that the West really never gave Ukraine enough to do much against Russia at any point in time.  Just 'enough rope to hang themselves' every step of the way.

To re-iterate a hypothesis:  Was Ukraine a CIA (earlier) and Ziocon (later) experiment in culturing nazisim in a controlled environment?  Ultimately, when an experiment in culturing unpleasant microbes is complete, the results are cleaned up with a few lab-leaks as possible.  Is this what happened to Ukraine?

If so, it would make sense to gain some benefits.  Dumping outdated weapons (and making a lot of people rich via associated corruption) would be a benefit.  Weakening Russia would have been a benefit, but the opposite happened.  The main question which remains in my mind is whether Russia was in on the plan before the SMO even started?

It's worth note that when I talk about 'Russia' or 'NATO', I'm only talking about a tiny number of people at the very top.  All of these generals and presidents, and often fairly bright analysts (Ritter, McGregor, etc),  and so on are past and present middle-management and would have no clue what is actually going on.

[paxmao]

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Keyword here "was" so not "is". It was destroyed. Mariupol is an Ukranian loss, but not much of a Ruzzian win. Steel is produced all over the world and is pretty much in crisis in Europe because it is not profitable.

As for the mineral resource, ok, yes but, again, the need investment and people to get them working again and the profits are questionable. That money would be much better placed elsewere in Ruzzia.
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Europe is in crisis in part because they are energy deprived.  This after a dedicated and effective effort on multiple fronts to shoot themselves in the foot.  Why?  Who knows?  Who cares?  Seems like some mysterious group is dedicated to collapsing the West and it owns the political and media apparatus there-of and as such is getting them to happily commit suicide.

You know who isn't energy deprived?  Yeah, that's right; Russia.  When NATO has finally fought down to the last Ukrainian, much of Russia's apparatus to build multiple highly sophisticated and lethal ballistic missiles and a great many war-oriented other things will be released.  Even after the fighting stops, Russia will probably be busy building weapons which have proven to win wars for other countries which want such a capability, but what is released could probably re-build Azovstal to ultra-modern standards in a matter of months.  And again, the country has the energy resources to operate it.  And now much of the previously 'Ukrainian' raw materials which used to supply it are within the Russian Federation's control.

It is interesting how you are trying to make Ruzzia somehow an economic winner of this super-fiasco war, when you have the interests rates at 21% and even the business leaders are willing to put a degree of criticism (I guess they have lost the fear to flight out of a window?)

https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/russian-industry-warns-central-banks-high-rates-hurt-crucial-new-investment-2024-10-23/

Russian industry warns central bank's high rates hurt crucial new investment

This is what I mean when I say that you need lots of money to get anything back into production in Ukraine and Ruzzia does not have it.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/08/15/russias-economy-the-balance-between-labour-shortage-and-military-manpower

Russia's leadership finds itself in a peculiar dilemma – it lacks manpower to protect its borders and continue the fight in the Donbas, but it also needs to plug labour gaps if it is to sustain its war economy.

And this is what I mean when I say you need people and ain't got it.

So Europe loses competitivity in certain industries, and Ruzzia looses money by the bucket full:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/15/gazprom-2023-results-budget-war-economy-russia-putin-europe-china/#:~:text=And%20just%20this%20month%2C%20Gazprom,predictions%20for%20the%20coming%20year.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-reports-9-month-loss-32-billion-2024-10-29/

loss under Russian accounting standards, which do not include subsidiaries, was 309 billion roubles ($3.2 billion) compared to a profit of 446 billion roubles in the same period of 2023.

So sure, go turn on the heating. Europe will have no problem this winter... nor any other, however Ruzzia will be damaging precisely the countries in the third world that cannot pay for it.

So... guess who is not money deprived... Europe is got a cold, Ruzzia is getting pneumonia. Europe can hold the current situation for 10 years if needed... Ruzzia cannot.  Funny enough, the drone strikes in Ruzzian refineries have deprived of fuel to the point that refined product had to be imported.

BTW Ruzzia is still exporting oil, but to a capped price. We can discuss if you want...

[tvbcof]

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 - snip - Reuters, Euronews, ForeignPolicy.com

Garbage in(*), Garbage out(**).

* clownish western mainstream rag [H|C]opium.
** of your pie-hole.

[paxmao]

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 - snip - Reuters, Euronews, ForeignPolicy.com

Garbage in(*), Garbage out(**).

* clownish western mainstream rag [H|C]opium.
** of your pie-hole.

Of course, when the message does not suit your narrative you attack the source and if that is not possible attack the messenger... we all know the drill here.

But while in other cases you can argue about the sources, claim that I am whatever Zionthing or the like, this is the official interest rate which is an objective measure. It is public and you can check it in any source of you choice and you can compare it with other countries. Same with Ruble to USD parity, etc...

You can also see the industry leader's opinions in Ruzzian controlled media. They have said it very publicly.

[Branko]

Poor paxmao, still tryin'

Because of people like him, this deal was destroyed

https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1740231338546864453

[paxmao]

Poor paxmao, still tryin'

Because of people like him, this deal was destroyed

[link to known propagandist removed]

And there you go, step 2 attack the messenger. It was about time guys, you are loosing you sharpness.. I mean the little sharpness left. BTW I would not call myself poor Paxmao, but suit yourself. And while you argue about it, drones have closed Moscow airport and hit a few buildings here and there. I seems only logical after the Iranian Shaheds  hitting over and over. I would expect to see more of this before the "negotiations".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/10/ukraine-russia-drone-attacks-moscow-war

Who would have thought... the all mighty Ruzzia systems cannot even stop ancient technology from hitting their capital. Not good for sales.