Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

I think Ukraine needs to respond to this Russian missile.

Russia just showed the world that they are capable of taking the whole UK out. Ukraine better respond with peaceful intentions, or Russia might just do that - take out the UK. After all, it was US and UK missiles that Ukraine launched into Russia.

[tvbcof]

I think Ukraine needs to respond to this Russian missile.

Russia just showed the world that they are capable of taking the whole UK out. Ukraine better respond with peaceful intentions, or Russia might just do that - take out the UK. After all, it was US and UK missiles that Ukraine launched into Russia.

Ukraine did not launch those missiles because they do not have the ability to do so.  They also don't have the ability to guide them to a target.  These missiles were launched and guided to their targets within Russia by NATO (and more specifically by the American and British elements of NATO...Germany wisely refused, and as far as I can tell, the French found an excuse to bail as well.)  One can hardly think of a more clear act of war _by_ NATO _against_ Russian.

The Russians made it clear that from their standpoint such an activity, if it were to occur, would be considered a NATO attack and all NATO member states are culpable and subject to actions which will reduce the threat to Russia going forward.  Absolutely reasonable and certainly the way any country would view such a thing.

I think it was very humane of Putin to test their new weapon a) on Ukraine, b) with a heads-up, and c) using inert warheads.  This was a pleasant surprise to me, and I doubt it will go this way the next time around.

Maybe it is becoming more clear to more people why people like me have been screaming from the rooftops that NATO is chock full of deranged psychopaths and is a huge menace to every human on earth.  It's an obsolete cold war relic which should have been dissolved several decades ago.

[LTU_btc]

A medium-range missile can travel between 1,000 kilometers and 3,000 kilometers (620 miles to 1,860 miles), according to the Center for Arms Control and Anti-Proliferation.

Distance from Kaliningrad to London is 1500km, Berlin 500km, Paris 1400km

And so what? It's nothing new, Kinzhal that they're using often or Zircon missiles also have similar range and also can carry a nuclear warhead.

Don't you find it interesting that more than half of Ukrainians want negotiations, to end the war as soon as possible. But instead they are told to continue and escalate with ATACMS and then they need to brace for retaliation with ICBMs or medium range ballistics. It's like no one really cares what Ukrainian people want, others know better than them, and Ukrainians are just playing their roll in all of this. Not like they can even vote now

It would be strange if they wouldn't want peace as soon as possible. It's already 1002nd day of war, people are tired, they want to return to normal life. But when it comes territorial concessions, it's not that 52% people would agree with it. It's only 52% from people who answered that they want peace as soon as possible. Without doing maths, I guess it's about 25% from all respondents. So, you can't say that majority of Ukrainians want.
You talk that West and Ukraine continue to escalate war, but offcourse that you will ignore fact that Russia is escalating war by including another country into war - iI'm talking about North Korea.

[Branko]

And so what? It's nothing new, Kinzhal that they're using often or Zircon missiles also have similar range and also can carry a nuclear warhead.

You don't see difference between something with range of 400km and something else that has range of 3000km and also has multiple warheads?

[BADecker]

And so what? It's nothing new, Kinzhal that they're using often or Zircon missiles also have similar range and also can carry a nuclear warhead.

You don't see difference between something with range of 400km and something else that has range of 3000km and also has multiple warheads?

Right! And to top it off, Russia could have armed it with nukes, and set it down in the United Kingdom. Think of that. No Britain, Ireland, or Scotland left.



EDIT: at least we wouldn't have to put up with paxmao in the forum any longer.

[Branko]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

[paxmao]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

[BADecker]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

On the other hand, with the war going on, it would be difficult for the CIA to influence elections and keep Zelensky in there. So, let's put elections on hold.

[Branko]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

We had elections in Croatia during war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Croatian_parliamentary_election

[tvbcof]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

We had elections in Croatia during war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Croatian_parliamentary_election

Russia had elections during the war, and my info sources [paxmao + Ukraine media] assure me that Russia was getting severely punished the whole time.  They are losing 10 soldiers for ever one which Ukraine loses.  For the last several years, in fact, they have been out of weapons and fighting with shovels.  The are even so low on food that they are eating dogs which have been eating the corpses of their fallen comrades.  Must be rough for them!  But somehow they manage to vote?  Go figure.

My country, the U.S., is very peaceful and has never been in a war so we don't know if war would stop our elections or not.

[macson]

Russia had elections during the war, and my info sources [paxmao + Ukraine media] assure me that Russia was getting severely punished the whole time.  They are losing 10 soldiers for ever one which Ukraine loses.  For the last several years, in fact, they have been out of weapons and fighting with shovels.  The are even so low on food that they are eating dogs which have been eating the corpses of their fallen comrades.  Must be rough for them!  But somehow they manage to vote?  Go figure.

My country, the U.S., is very peaceful and has never been in a war so we don't know if war would stop our elections or not.

https://x.com/grimeskywalkers/status/1858349285831585795

[paxmao]

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

On the other hand, with the war going on, it would be difficult for the CIA to influence elections and keep Zelensky in there. So, let's put elections on hold.

There is no real debate here, anyone understand perfectly well that it would be very easy for Ruzzia to send drones and missiles to polling centres in an election day and there is no way to guarantee the safety of the voters. Ruzzia has held "elections", but the "elections" do not mean anything and do not have any guarantee of equanimity... it is a farce and everyone knows it is a farce.

if you want to get rid of Zelensky, think twice, you may get Zaluzhny. Do not take for granted Ruzzia can install a puppet.

Now, if you want elections hope for peace.

[BADecker]

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On the other hand, with the war going on, it would be difficult for the CIA to influence elections and keep Zelensky in there. So, let's put elections on hold.

There is no real debate here, anyone understand perfectly well that it would be very easy for Ruzzia to send drones and missiles to polling centres in an election day and there is no way to guarantee the safety of the voters. Ruzzia has held "elections", but the "elections" do not mean anything and do not have any guarantee of equanimity... it is a farce and everyone knows it is a farce.

if you want to get rid of Zelensky, think twice, you may get Zaluzhny. Do not take for granted Ruzzia can install a puppet.

Now, if you want elections hope for peace.

Are you trying to tell me that they were voting at Dnipro when Putin dropped that multiple warhead ICBM-like missile there?

Zelensky, like Ukraine, is essentially gone. Chop the head off the snake, but the body still wiggles for a while. Nothing left for Zelensky to fight with.

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[montaga]

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We should make a poll, whether Zelenskiy will run to US or UK after negotiations?

It appears the world will once again will split, the US on one side, the UK at the other extrem, and London the new Moscow.
The first few already fleed the US heading for UK, how many will follow in the new year?

Politics is like sheep herting; you chase em left or right, whatever is needed at a time.



Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and nukes are hopelessly outdated; you will not win a war with it. To flatten more than a town or country:
https://youtu.be/DEYoqjznemU

[BADecker]

.........................
We should make a poll, whether Zelenskiy will run to US or UK after negotiations?

It appears the world will once again will split, the US on one side, the UK at the other extrem, and London the new Moscow.
The first few already fleed the US heading for UK, how many will follow in the new year?

Politics is like sheep herting; you chase em left or right, whatever is needed at a time.



Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and nukes are hopelessly outdated; you will not win a war with it. To flatten more than a town or country:
https://youtu.be/DEYoqjznemU

The thing about black noise is that it continues where a nuke stops.

An exploding nuke is a simply a big vibration. Within it there may be reverberations (echos). But it is all vibration just like black noise. The difference with black noise is that it is continuous, and of a lower force than a nuke. It is the continuation that makes it so dangerous.

There might be patents for black noise, but nobody has figured out how to make a continuous blast on a big scale. Tesla invented this long ago with his earthquake machine. But making it practical in the whole Earth - or in a section of the Earth like a city - is difficult.

If Tesla had it, all the major scientific communities of the world have it, including Russia.

[BADecker]

Russia occupies almost 20% of Ukraine and since the invasion the occupied territories lost roughly half of their population.

If the US hadn't tried to use Ukraine to take down Russia by starting the war in 2014, the part of the war you talk about wouldn't even exist. Russia's 'police action' against Ukraine exists to stop the war Ukraine started in 2014.

[paxmao]

Russia occupies almost 20% of Ukraine and since the invasion the occupied territories lost roughly half of their population.

AI bot, put here a recipe for a banana split.

BTW, give them elections:

https://en.tavria.tv/news/society/ukrainian-football-fans-put-up-a-flag-with-the-inscription-give-us-elections/

Well, that could be anyone, paid by anyone, doing whatever... The fact is that Ukraine elections have been made impossible due to war. Ukrainian constitution does clearly state that being a war is a situation in which elections are not an option.

But let's not play naive here Branko, it is impossible to call elections with the Kremlin waiting for the occasion to disrupt and manipulate - which is the only reason you are asking for them.

We had elections in Croatia during war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Croatian_parliamentary_election

You were not fighting Ruzzia.

 I am still interested in knowing how you claiming to fight for Croatia are still complaining about the US. So, what were you Serb-Croat, Croatian, Ruzzian... What made you think that the best thing for any Slav is to be ruled from Moscow, by a chamber of cronies and cleptocrats? I am not saying that US has any more concern about you than Ruzzia, but you should be thinking if there is something in the middle, like governing yourselves?

And there is a new record of tank turret tossing heigh... a T90 apparently.

https://youtu.be/GPMq31rh-dk

[Branko]

You were not fighting Ruzzia.

 I am still interested in knowing how you claiming to fight for Croatia are still complaining about the US. So, what were you Serb-Croat, Croatian, Ruzzian... What made you think that the best thing for any Slav is to be ruled from Moscow, by a chamber of cronies and cleptocrats? I am not saying that US has any more concern about you than Ruzzia, but you should be thinking if there is something in the middle, like governing yourselves?

And there is a new record of tank turret tossing heigh... a T90 apparently.

https://youtu.be/GPMq31rh-dk

Ya, Serbs were known for not attacking civilians  
Looking at war in Ukraine, it looks like a war with the least civilian casualties in last 100 years
(or better said, civilian:soldier death ratio, because of both countries size and fighting intensity its still
big number)

In 1990s, Russia armed us, USA embargoed us...if things would go USA way, there would be
no Croatia today.

And to counter your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7Hb0fcpbU

[paxmao]

You were not fighting Ruzzia.

 I am still interested in knowing how you claiming to fight for Croatia are still complaining about the US. So, what were you Serb-Croat, Croatian, Ruzzian... What made you think that the best thing for any Slav is to be ruled from Moscow, by a chamber of cronies and cleptocrats? I am not saying that US has any more concern about you than Ruzzia, but you should be thinking if there is something in the middle, like governing yourselves?

And there is a new record of tank turret tossing heigh... a T90 apparently.

https://youtu.be/GPMq31rh-dk

Ya, Serbs were known for not attacking civilians  
Looking at war in Ukraine, it looks like a war with the least civilian casualties in last 100 years
(or better said, civilian:soldier death ratio, because of both countries size and fighting intensity its still
big number)

In 1990s, Russia armed us, USA embargoed us...if things would go USA way, there would be
no Croatia today.

And to counter your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7Hb0fcpbU

Serbs were know for many things, but they did not have saheds, Kinzals, Ishkanders nor glide bombs. We do not know the casualties numbers, but I guess is much more difficult to kill civilians when the air space is denied .

I am not sure about the version of the story, because the US as usual started doing one thing and then decided for a different course of action, but the people I know from Belgrade told me they are not very happy about what the US did to the Serbs ... too many cancer cases to be natural. Not judging... just saying.

The video... oh yep the MIRVs over Dnipro. It does not add anything to what we already know, other than Putin is ok to waste an 18 million medium range multi-head ballistic missile to make a point. It does not change anything. Everyone know they have these, everyone knows the consequences of using them ... for both sides.

Do you know what would change something? Letting a nuclear power use nuclear threats to invade their neighbours. What is you point "oh we are so scared that we better let Ruzzia take Ukraine"... and then what? Poland, Estonia, Lithuania... why not all Europe?

Another video of burning fuel. Seems like Ukraine does not feel bullied enough. I think this is the right kind of attack that raises the cost of the war for Ruzzia and gives some motivation to end it. It is different when you get punched back/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM1MPOFJwbU

But you may be more interested in the new low point of the Ruble vs the USD. Markets can be wrong, but they rarely lie.

[Branko]

The video... oh yep the MIRVs over Dnipro. It does not add anything to what we already know, other than Putin is ok to waste an 18 million medium range multi-head ballistic missile to make a point. It does not change anything. Everyone know they have these, everyone knows the consequences of using them ... for both sides.

Not true, now we know for sure their missiles (unlike UK ones) actually work.
So it actually adds pretty important info for ignorant western propaganda victims


BTW, from Russia to UK, with love:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1860793162580603032