Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

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But you may be more interested in the new low point of the Ruble vs the USD. Markets can be wrong, but they rarely lie.

Markets are based on what people think, and how they react to the markets. If people believe the lies of the Deep State media, they will lose in the long run. This is why the Ruble is way stronger than it appears in the markets. And it is why Ukraine is failing.

[tvbcof]

For anyone who has the ability to absorb material marginally above moron-level and enjoys doing so, here's some hypotheses about the Hazel:

  https://aerospacedefenserd.com/oreshnik-russias-hypersonic-missile-that-rewrites-strategic-warfare/

[BADecker]

For anyone who has the ability to absorb material marginally above moron-level and enjoys doing so, here's some hypotheses about the Hazel:

  https://aerospacedefenserd.com/oreshnik-russias-hypersonic-missile-that-rewrites-strategic-warfare/

Why would the US and Britain want to develop something like this? Just wait until the Russians do and then steal it from them.

Russia needs a strong Stalin-like leader who will start doing purges in Russia to get rid of CIA and MI6 and Mossad agents.

Of course, we are way past that stage. Biden is considering giving Ukraine nukes, and the go-ahead to use them. If Biden does, and Ukraine does, it'll be bye-bye Britain and France and probably Germany, and of course Ukraine.


Biden Regime Discussed Giving Ukraine Nuclear Weapons


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/biden-regime-discussed-giving-ukraine-nuclear-weapons/
Last Sunday, Joe Biden's regime approved Ukraine's use of US-made long-range missiles to strike deep inside Russia.

The Washington Post reported that Biden will allow Ukraine to use a powerful American long-range weapon for strikes inside Russia, supposedly in response to North Korea's recent aid to Russia in the form of thousands of troops. Ukraine will be specifically allowed to use the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) to hit targets inside Russia.

As The Post noted, ATACMS is a supersonic-guided missile system that can be used with either cluster munitions or conventional warheads. It has a maximum range of about 190 miles.

The Post elaborates that Ukraine is expected to focus on and around the Kursk region at first but could expand its targets.

On Tuesday, Ukraine fired six US-made long-range missiles inside Russia. The first Ukrainian strike targeted the border region of Bryansk in Russia.

According to BRICS News – Five missiles were shot down by S-400 & Pantsir AA systems last week, one was damaged, its fragments fell in the technical zone of a military facility, causing a fire, Russian Defense Ministry says.

Putin, following reports of Biden's decision to give Ukraine permission to "long-range" missiles, approved the updated nuclear doctrine of the Russian Federation. As part of the new doctrine Russia spelled out that aggression against Russia and its allies by a non-nuclear country with the support of a nuclear state will be considered a joint attack.

On Wednesday morning Joe Biden approved antipersonnel land mines for Ukraine – undoing his previous policy.

On Thursday Russia unleashed the Oreshnik hypersonic missile on Ukraine.
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[paxmao]

The video... oh yep the MIRVs over Dnipro. It does not add anything to what we already know, other than Putin is ok to waste an 18 million medium range multi-head ballistic missile to make a point. It does not change anything. Everyone know they have these, everyone knows the consequences of using them ... for both sides.

Not true, now we know for sure their missiles (unlike UK ones) actually work.
So it actually adds pretty important info for ignorant western propaganda victims


BTW, from Russia to UK, with love:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1860793162580603032

It does not add anything. Nobody assumes that 100% of the Ruzzian nuclear arsenal will not work or that it would not reach European cities, that is just food for idiots. Just as it is idiotic to think that the West does not hold an equivalent power.

Branko, you have been saying that UK nuclear weapons do not work for like 10 posts? The answer is not going to change: UK has submarine based nuclear weapons. These are made in the US, they are Trident missiles but if you want the full argument...

1. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that UK weapons will not work when needed (based on tests that failed - tests, not real use). But you also have the French (290 warheads, intercontinental and submarine based - well tested) and well... the US. Particualrly when you are experiencing the Stormshadows every day.

2. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that there would be no NATO response. And it would not be a nuclear response, because NATO can cause an equivalent level of devastation with conventional weapons (not my word, "devastation".

3.  There is no way the West can back up from action based on a nuclear threat for two reasons: (a) Ruzzia would have carte blanche for further invasions and (b) the West does have the capability to  strike back. There is no reasonable doubt about it.

4. Escalation occurs when there is something to win from it. Ruzzia has little to win by escalating to nuclear weapons, but has a lot to lose from it, hence, Putin has not escalated because he is a Mafia leader, but not completely stupid.

[Branko]

It does not add anything. Nobody assumes that 100% of the Ruzzian nuclear arsenal will not work or that it would not reach European cities, that is just food for idiots. Just as it is idiotic to think that the West does not hold an equivalent power.

Branko, you have been saying that UK nuclear weapons do not work for like 10 posts? The answer is not going to change: UK has submarine based nuclear weapons. These are made in the US, they are Trident missiles but if you want the full argument...

1. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that UK weapons will not work when needed (based on tests that failed - tests, not real use). But you also have the French (290 warheads, intercontinental and submarine based - well tested) and well... the US. Particualrly when you are experiencing the Stormshadows every day.

2. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that there would be no NATO response. And it would not be a nuclear response, because NATO can cause an equivalent level of devastation with conventional weapons (not my word, "devastation".

3.  There is no way the West can back up from action based on a nuclear threat for two reasons: (a) Ruzzia would have carte blanche for further invasions and (b) the West does have the capability to  strike back. There is no reasonable doubt about it.

4. Escalation occurs when there is something to win from it. Ruzzia has little to win by escalating to nuclear weapons, but has a lot to lose from it, hence, Putin has not escalated because he is a Mafia leader, but not completely stupid.

So your argument here is: "hey guys, lets keep pushing until Putin has it enough and uses nukes"?
Are you saying that Kennedy was idiot, or Khruschev was weakling?

[boat287]

Putin definitely deserves the Noble Peace Prize for his use of restraint in the Ukraine war. without his wisdom, Biden and the British would have had the entire world nuked already. Putin couldve ended the war long ago by wiping out Kiev, but he isnt going to because he doesnt want war or any more people dying.

[LTU_btc]

Putin definitely deserves the Noble Peace Prize for his use of restraint in the Ukraine war. without his wisdom, Biden and the British would have had the entire world nuked already. Putin couldve ended the war long ago by wiping out Kiev, but he isnt going to because he doesnt want war or any more people dying.

What? I haven't read such nonsense for a while Nobel Peace Prize for Puting for his sestrain in war? Interesting logic, because if not Putin, this warwouldn't even happened.
Putin didin't wiped put Kyiv because he cares about people's lifes? Then wy he wiped out completely cities like Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Chasiv Yar and etc?

[tvbcof]

Putin definitely deserves the Noble Peace Prize for his use of restraint in the Ukraine war. without his wisdom, Biden and the British would have had the entire world nuked already. Putin couldve ended the war long ago by wiping out Kiev, but he isnt going to because he doesnt want war or any more people dying.

The Nobel prize is a joke and not worth having, but thinking people around the world clearly recognize Putin's actions involving this very difficult and complex problem and respect him for his wisdom and restraint.  The victors write the history books, but if the West are the victors in this thing it implies that humanoids will not be writing anything for a long long time.

What? I haven't read such nonsense for a while Nobel Peace Prize for Puting for his sestrain in war? Interesting logic, because if not Putin, this warwouldn't even happened.
Putin didin't wiped put Kyiv because he cares about people's lifes? Then wy he wiped out completely cities like Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Chasiv Yar and etc?

That's pretty absurd.  Russia fought in places which were being defended by Ukrainians and stopped when the battle was won.  They didn't do any old-school razing of any places after chasing out the Zionazis.  Given that a stated (apparently truthful) reason for expending Russian blood and treasure was to save the Russian speaking populations from the ethnic cleansing and genocide being quite vocally implemented by the the Western populations of the state, it would not make any sense to do so and would be counter-productive for future operations.

Indeed, the main reason for the anti-Russian-speaking genocide by the Zionazis from the West (both Ukrainian and global) was that it was determined to be the most promising way of getting Russia to respond which has been a goal of the neocon controlled global West for a long time.  It did eventually work, but it took longer than was hoped.  Looks like one of the reasons why Putin was so slow to respond was that he knew that the Federation needed to get some ducks in a row (e.g., Oreshnik) to address anticipated contingencies.

I have developed a lot more respect for Putin and Russia more generally over these last 1000 days because they have been quite scrupulous in avoiding unnecessary loss of life.  Even non-nazi Ukrainian troops/western mercs to a ridiculous degree in the early days, but those days are gone.  Russia continues to adhere to basic rules of war even while facing an extremely dirty-fighting adversary.  Putin remains laudably conscious of loss of life of his own troops, and to civilian populations of all flavors.  That continues to be the results of my daily read of events.

[paxmao]

It does not add anything. Nobody assumes that 100% of the Ruzzian nuclear arsenal will not work or that it would not reach European cities, that is just food for idiots. Just as it is idiotic to think that the West does not hold an equivalent power.

Branko, you have been saying that UK nuclear weapons do not work for like 10 posts? The answer is not going to change: UK has submarine based nuclear weapons. These are made in the US, they are Trident missiles but if you want the full argument...

1. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that UK weapons will not work when needed (based on tests that failed - tests, not real use). But you also have the French (290 warheads, intercontinental and submarine based - well tested) and well... the US. Particualrly when you are experiencing the Stormshadows every day.

2. It is of the outmost desperation to hope that there would be no NATO response. And it would not be a nuclear response, because NATO can cause an equivalent level of devastation with conventional weapons (not my word, "devastation".

3.  There is no way the West can back up from action based on a nuclear threat for two reasons: (a) Ruzzia would have carte blanche for further invasions and (b) the West does have the capability to  strike back. There is no reasonable doubt about it.

4. Escalation occurs when there is something to win from it. Ruzzia has little to win by escalating to nuclear weapons, but has a lot to lose from it, hence, Putin has not escalated because he is a Mafia leader, but not completely stupid.

So your argument here is: "hey guys, lets keep pushing until Putin has it enough and uses nukes"?
Are you saying that Kennedy was idiot, or Khruschev was weakling?

Nope, Khruschev and Kennedy reach a deal. Khruschev showed Kennedy that the USSR was willing to install ballistic missiles in close proximity to the US, to the point that the response would need to be automatic. Kennedy pointed out that it was not acceptable to the US and the USSR stopped. Then... quietly but by clear agreement, the US withdrew other nuclear assets that were also in close proximity to the USSR. They simply understood each other's position and they both recognised the other as being in a strong position.

This last bit is the most important: both recognise that the other had an equivalent power and that is why using the nuclear threat makes little sense. Both recognise in the other a strong adversary that can cause lots of problems if provoked.

So, no matter what Europe does, the nukes will not disappear. So obviously it is much better to do now what needs to be done now than at the Gates of Brandenburg and if Putin threatens... well, so be it, he knows the consequences of doing anything more than threatening.

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

[Branko]

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

Oh the irony

[paxmao]

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

Oh the irony

I understand Putin. He wants his kingdom. Ukraine, as of now would rather not be part of it, hence there is a war.

It is very difficult to admit that you are no longer the USSR. Let's face it, Ruzzia lost the race but Putin is still thinking that he can win... is kind of the Rambo movies after the Vietnam war... winning in the movies what the US did not win in real life. Only good thing is that he may not be able to stay in power more than 10 more years... unless he starts going ga-ga and perhaps drink the wrong tea or get close to the wrong window.

[BADecker]

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

Oh the irony

I understand Putin. He wants his kingdom. Ukraine, as of now would rather not be part of it, hence there is a war.

It is very difficult to admit that you are no longer the USSR. Let's face it, Ruzzia lost the race but Putin is still thinking that he can win... is kind of the Rambo movies after the Vietnam war... winning in the movies what the US did not win in real life. Only good thing is that he may not be able to stay in power more than 10 more years... unless he starts going ga-ga and perhaps drink the wrong tea or get close to the wrong window.

You understand nothing... at least if we listen to your BS talk. If Putin had wanted to take Ukraine, he would have taken it long ago with missiles like he used in last Thursday's attack.

Russia shut down the USSR based on a treaty that the US and Nato would no longer pushed East. Russia is still following that treaty. But the US and Nato have broken it a whole bunch of times.

Nato needs a lesson and punishment for breaking the treaties with Russia. They are preparing to get it, just like the Deep State got slapped for attacking Alex Jones.

NATO Has Already Made The Decision To Go To War With Russia— Alex Jones Reports On The Most Dangerous Military Developments In Modern History & How Working Together Humanity Can Stop Impending Thermonuclear War - https://banned.video/watch?id=674616d73b0ecccc8ff275a5


Russia sets new drone attack record in overnight Ukraine barrage


https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-sets-new-drone-attack-record-overnight-ukraine/story?id=116225587&utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=other
LONDON -- Russia launched a record-high 188 strike drones into Ukraine on Monday night and Tuesday morning, expanding its long-range campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure to coincide with the onset of winter.

Ukraine's air force said on Telegram that it downed 76 drones. Another 95 were lost in flight -- possibly due to jamming efforts -- and five flew into Belarus.

Russia also fired four Iskander-M ballistic missiles as part of the assault, the air force said. None were shot down.

"Unfortunately, critical infrastructure objects have been hit, and private and multi-apartment buildings have been damaged in several regions due to a mass attack by UAVs," the air force wrote.
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[paxmao]

Meanwhile, the Ruble hits another low, about to catch up with its value during COVID.

https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD&view=10Y

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

Oh the irony

I understand Putin. He wants his kingdom. Ukraine, as of now would rather not be part of it, hence there is a war.

It is very difficult to admit that you are no longer the USSR. Let's face it, Ruzzia lost the race but Putin is still thinking that he can win... is kind of the Rambo movies after the Vietnam war... winning in the movies what the US did not win in real life. Only good thing is that he may not be able to stay in power more than 10 more years... unless he starts going ga-ga and perhaps drink the wrong tea or get close to the wrong window.

You understand nothing... at least if we listen to your BS talk. If Putin had wanted to take Ukraine, he would have taken it long ago with missiles like he used in last Thursday's attack.

Russia shut down the USSR based on a treaty that the US and Nato would no longer pushed East. Russia is still following that treaty. But the US and Nato have broken it a whole bunch of times.
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BA, don't be stupid. It is pretty obvious that Ruzzia tried to take Kiev and was stopped.

The Budapest agreement meant that Ukraine would surrender their nukes - yes they had nukes and nuke-capable bombers - with guarantees for peace. I guess changing nukes for a paper is not such a great idea when dealing with Ruzzia.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb

No. 52241. Ukraine, Russian Federation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and United States of America:
Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Budapest, 5 December 1994..

Go read.

[BADecker]

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You understand nothing... at least if we listen to your BS talk. If Putin had wanted to take Ukraine, he would have taken it long ago with missiles like he used in last Thursday's attack.

Russia shut down the USSR based on a treaty that the US and Nato would no longer pushed East. Russia is still following that treaty. But the US and Nato have broken it a whole bunch of times.
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BA, don't be stupid. It is pretty obvious that Ruzzia tried to take Kiev and was stopped.

The Budapest agreement meant that Ukraine would surrender their nukes - yes they had nukes and nuke-capable bombers - with guarantees for peace. I guess changing nukes for a paper is not such a great idea when dealing with Ruzzia.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb

No. 52241. Ukraine, Russian Federation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and United States of America:
Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Budapest, 5 December 1994..

Go read.

It's pretty obvious from last week's Russian missile attack on Dnipro that Russia is operating under completely different themes than the West is. Russia could have taken Kiev any time they wanted.

The Western leaders are in a big fever heat trying to take Russia through Ukraine, and Russia is simply skipping along, completely knowing they could take Ukraine any day of the week... if they wanted.

Be glad that Russia is in favor of peace. If they weren't, you and the rest of the Brits would be long gone.

Russian State Media: 'How Fast Can Oreshnik Missile Hit US Bases Across The World?' - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-state-media-how-fast-can-oreshnik-missile-hit-us-bases-across-world


Russia Advancing in Ukraine at 'Fastest Pace Since Early 2022'


https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64756
The US government is lashing out in panic and discussing giving Ukraine nuclear weapons because Russian forces are reportedly sweeping through Ukraine at the fastest pace "since the early days of the 2022 invasion."

From Reuters, "Russia accelerates advance in Ukraine's east":

Russian forces are advancing in Ukraine at the fastest rate since the early days of the 2022 invasion, taking an area half the size of London over the past month, analysts and war bloggers said on Tuesday.

    Russian troops swept through swathes of Ukraine in early 2022 before being pushed back to its east and south. The 1,000 km (620-mile) front line has been largely static for two years, until the latest, smaller-scale advances that began in July.

    The war is entering what some Russian and Western officials say could be its most dangerous phase, with Russia reported to be using North Korean troops in Ukraine and Kyiv now using Western-supplied missiles to strike back inside Russia.

    Moscow, which like North Korea has not confirmed or denied the presence of the troops, used a hypersonic intermediate-range missile on Ukraine last week and Ukraine reported the biggest Russian drone attack on its territory so far on Tuesday.

    "Russia has set new weekly and monthly records for the size of the occupied territory in Ukraine," independent Russian news group Agentstvo said in a report.

    The Russian army captured almost 235 sq km (91 sq miles) in Ukraine over the past week, a weekly record for 2024, it said.

    Russian forces had taken 600 sq km (232 sq miles) in November, it added, citing data from DeepState, which studies combat footage and provides front line maps.

    Pasi Paroinen, a military analyst with Finland's Black Bird Group, said Russian forces had taken control of an estimated 667 sq km (257 sq miles) this month, citing data he said could include some October gains noted with a delay.

Paroinen just retweeted this post on X highlighting Ukraine's struggles:
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[Branko]

Go read.

I read it. Sounds like Victoria Nuland broke it first (point 3)

[Sender78]

What a huge ass for Ukraine right now.... Things are very bad.

[Dimitarus]

Are the Ukrainian army still retreating?

[paxmao]

Go read.

I read it. Sounds like Victoria Nuland broke it first (point 3)

Not at all. There was no threat to Ruzzia in the sense that would make clear that the treaty had been broken. You mentioned the Cuba missiles crisis right? Now, having ballistic missiles a couple of hundred miles of the cost of Florida - that is threatening. Having nothing, since there was nothing in Ukraine other than the Ukrainian army which was not a threat to Ruzzia.

You may anyway need some proof that whoever in the US was doing something else than diplomacy - no different from the Ruzzian diplomacy - if you are going to permanently refer to it.

Are the Ukrainian army still retreating?

AI poster, provide a recipee for a banana split.

[BADecker]

Go read.

I read it. Sounds like Victoria Nuland broke it first (point 3)

Not at all. There was no threat to Ruzzia in the sense that would make clear that the treaty had been broken. You mentioned the Cuba missiles crisis right? Now, having ballistic missiles a couple of hundred miles of the cost of Florida - that is threatening. Having nothing, since there was nothing in Ukraine other than the Ukrainian army which was not a threat to Ruzzia.

You may anyway need some proof that whoever in the US was doing something else than diplomacy - no different from the Ruzzian diplomacy - if you are going to permanently refer to it.

Are the Ukrainian army still retreating?

AI poster, provide a recipee for a banana split.

You are basically right. When Russia decides to use their nukes, they will.

[grosserK]

Do you think Putin will mobilize a new one?