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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
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January 07, 2023, 11:47:07 AM
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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.
The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.
It's not right to make hasty decisions about Potter.  He may not have much experience, but I think he played successful matches in the teams he managed.  I think he can do better after getting to know the team and in an adaptation period for Chelsea.
It's true that everything needs adaptation and process for every new coach, but when it comes to a big name club like Chelsea, of course, many of their fans don't accept that their favorite club experiences a decline in performance every week. In the regular league competition they are in the middle of the standings and in the UCL competition they have to fight Dortmund in the last 16, Graham potter's homework this season has been very tough.

Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.
Beat Dortmund? Of course it took a miracle when several Chelsea players were hit by a hurricane of injuries. I'm not sure Chelsea can beat Dortmund easily, but if they're lucky it looks like it could happen. Currently, Dortmund is in 6th place in the regular league, so if you look at the performance of each club, it is a bit even. But what is certain is that there will be one winner in the two legs that will be held later and the winner has the right to secure a ticket to the quarter-finals.

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January 07, 2023, 12:36:02 PM
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Chelsea's performance in the EPL is indeed so bad that it's impossible for people to think Chelsea can win the UCL this season even against Dortmund, I think it will be difficult for Chelsea to overcome that to win, I think Chelsea need new players to restore faith in their club

I used to think that Chelsea looked so bad mainly because the level of competition in the Premier League is outrageous, but now I also doubt that Chelsea is capable of anything. Of course, I will not say that they are clearly weaker than Dortmund (it is still unknown what state this team is in after the break), but now I am sure that Chelsea are not stronger.

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January 07, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
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Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.
A little doubtful that Chelsea will be easy against Dortmund, in fact Dortmund have not appeared very strong this season, but the current situation for these two teams is equally bad this season, this season Chelsea did not perform as well as when they won the champions league, significant changes have changed Chelsea this season, and since Chelsea under Tuchel's tutelage I think a lot of the team's performance has decreased.
Now Graham Potter has replaced Tuchel and wants to bring/revive Chelsea to the better, but what we've seen is not consistent improvement..

Maybe for this  season I doubt Chelsea will continue to the next round, Chelsea and Dortmund have a balanced percentage of winning their matches in the upcoming matches. In my opinion, in terms of improving the performance of the Chelsea team, they have to get new players who are good in material.
and with some injuries I think it will be difficult for Chelsea to beat Dortmund, unless luck is on Chelsea's side.

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January 07, 2023, 02:45:07 PM
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Chelsea's performance in the EPL is indeed so bad that it's impossible for people to think Chelsea can win the UCL this season even against Dortmund, I think it will be difficult for Chelsea to overcome that to win, I think Chelsea need new players to restore faith in their club

I used to think that Chelsea looked so bad mainly because the level of competition in the Premier League is outrageous, but now I also doubt that Chelsea is capable of anything. Of course, I will not say that they are clearly weaker than Dortmund (it is still unknown what state this team is in after the break), but now I am sure that Chelsea are not stronger.

The thing about these two clubs Chelsea and Dortmund is both are not famous clubs and these two teams are not in their best shape and both are not in a good situation in their league so we cannot say if Dortmund is weaker than Chelsea or not however due to the recent games and the atmosphere in both clubs I can say Chelsea can have more chance because in Chelsea they are usually fighting for the first place in their league and even champion league while Dortmund could never perform like this.

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January 07, 2023, 05:24:04 PM
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Chelsea's performance in the EPL is indeed so bad that it's impossible for people to think Chelsea can win the UCL this season even against Dortmund, I think it will be difficult for Chelsea to overcome that to win, I think Chelsea need new players to restore faith in their club

I used to think that Chelsea looked so bad mainly because the level of competition in the Premier League is outrageous, but now I also doubt that Chelsea is capable of anything. Of course, I will not say that they are clearly weaker than Dortmund (it is still unknown what state this team is in after the break), but now I am sure that Chelsea are not stronger.

I don't think so. Chelsea has so many over rated players which already bought since last years but potter were not able to make them got their best performance again. The problem that happened with chelsea is the team was always rushing to buy the  new player without even consider about how important such player to the club. i don't know what's wrong with chelsea but the team has been getting the worst performance.
Dortmund is even more favourable in this match. The inconsistency that already showed by chelsea has been triggering so many questions to the club.
Dortmund in so many advantage against chelsea. that will be so good for the team

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January 07, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
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Chelsea - Dortmund seems to me to be a match in which Chelsea is the favourite. Rankings in the leagues don't mean much as the league in England as a whole is much stronger, especially at the top. Dortmund does have a chance to continue, but must watch out that it does not run into a major defeat in the first game. Haaler seems to be able to work on his recovery, but he will not be fit and energetic enough to participate for the time being. AC Milan - Tottenham also seems like a 50-50 match if it is played in Milan. I rate Tottenham a bit higher in 2 matches, but they are not playing the best football at the moment.

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January 07, 2023, 05:58:54 PM
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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.
The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.
It's not right to make hasty decisions about Potter.  He may not have much experience, but I think he played successful matches in the teams he managed.  I think he can do better after getting to know the team and in an adaptation period for Chelsea.
It's true that everything needs adaptation and process for every new coach, but when it comes to a big name club like Chelsea, of course, many of their fans don't accept that their favorite club experiences a decline in performance every week. In the regular league competition they are in the middle of the standings and in the UCL competition they have to fight Dortmund in the last 16, Graham potter's homework this season has been very tough.

Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.

Honestly, I think it was a very good decision by the Chelsea manager to fire Tuchel and bring in a new coach, Potter.
Do you remember how Chelsea started the new season and how they played in the opening games of the Champions League?
I watched them in the first game against Dinamo in Zagreb and they really played very badly and lost, against the weakest team in their Champions League group.
They played without any organization and a clear game plan and after the first 2 rounds they were in last place in their Champions League group.
Their season was saved by the arrival of new coach Potter because after that Chelsea finally played at a much higher level and won all the remaining Champions League games and won first place in the group.
If Potter hadn't become a coach, we wouldn't be watching Chelsea in the Champions League, but in the European League, and that's a fact.
I believe they have a good chance against Dortmund because the Germans also have a lot of problems this season.





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January 07, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
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Chelsea - Dortmund seems to me to be a match in which Chelsea is the favourite. Rankings in the leagues don't mean much as the league in England as a whole is much stronger, especially at the top. Dortmund does have a chance to continue, but must watch out that it does not run into a major defeat in the first game. Haaler seems to be able to work on his recovery, but he will not be fit and energetic enough to participate for the time being.

There is still about 1 month left until we see the first leg matches in the UCL, that is, we cannot yet know which teams have the potential to advance to the next round, maybe at this time you can say that Chelsea is more favourite, but what about the next 2 or 3 weeks? We never know what will happen in the future, maybe Chelsea's important players will get injured later (before the first leg match against Borussia Dortmund). This also applies to other teams.

So, it would be a pointless discussion if we discussed this before the match was actually going to start (IMO).

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January 07, 2023, 06:39:52 PM
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I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.
It seems that no one doubts PSG's attack line, instead we see the performances of Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappe are in their best playing condition at the moment. I just want Christophe Galtier to make a few formation changes against Bayern Munich to overcome their current weak point and it seems that defense is also an evaluation material that the coach must think about, so that they can maximize their Intercept against Bayern Munich

A slight overhaul of Lionel Messi's position will make PSG sharper in building attacks, in my opinion placing Lionel Messi slightly below Neymar and Kylian Mbappe will be more optimal in attacking and controlling the game, because Lionel Messi has an advantage in dribbling before giving measurable passes or before scoring

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January 07, 2023, 06:50:53 PM
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Chelsea - Dortmund seems to me to be a match in which Chelsea is the favourite. Rankings in the leagues don't mean much as the league in England as a whole is much stronger, especially at the top. Dortmund does have a chance to continue, but must watch out that it does not run into a major defeat in the first game. Haaler seems to be able to work on his recovery, but he will not be fit and energetic enough to participate for the time being.

There is still about 1 month left until we see the first leg matches in the UCL, that is, we cannot yet know which teams have the potential to advance to the next round, maybe at this time you can say that Chelsea is more favourite, but what about the next 2 or 3 weeks? We never know what will happen in the future, maybe Chelsea's important players will get injured later (before the first leg match against Borussia Dortmund). This also applies to other teams.

So, it would be a pointless discussion if we discussed this before the match was actually going to start (IMO).

What's more, so far the Bundesliga teams have not resumed their matches after the break, so at least and maybe they will get better stamina. Therefore, at this moment, we cannot be completely sure which team will win.
Because after all, Chelsea is also so far after the season resumed after the World Cup break. In fact, Chelsea is also not very good in many factors and not only in their gameplay and performance but also in their renewed management.

With Chelsea still not improving so far, at least I assume that Chelsea is indeed in a period of overhaul from many factors.
So yes, the result of a victory for Chelsea over Dortmund still cannot be something certain but that does not mean that Dortmund will win, because these two teams are also in a situation and condition that is not good this season.

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I think it was suspected that Tuchel's dismissal was not a result problem but an internal problem between Todd and Tuchel, indeed when the officials said to expel the coach, Tuchel could not do anything to defend himself at that time.

Their current condition is still not possible but after a number of new players have joined this possibility will be a differentiator, hopefully it will be like that because the players they have transferred this time are quite good, moreover it is the position they need in the attack line.
Chelsea team is currently playing well. They have a great XI. Despite losing to Manchester City, they put up a great fight. But currently they are going to add Argentina's Enzo Fernandez to the team in exchange of a lot of money. But I think it will not be very good to spend so much money on it.
What do you say? At the moment Chelsea are looking good? You are joking with this because if they perform well it is impossible now for them to be thrown into 10th place in the EPL standings.
As for Enzo, the latest news says that Chelsea and Benfica have not met common ground in an agreement because Chelsea does not want to pay the expenditure clause and Chelsea's offer has been rejected by Benfica at this time.

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January 07, 2023, 07:10:35 PM
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There is still about 1 month left until we see the first leg matches in the UCL, that is, we cannot yet know which teams have the potential to advance to the next round, maybe at this time you can say that Chelsea is more favourite, but what about the next 2 or 3 weeks? We never know what will happen in the future, maybe Chelsea's important players will get injured later (before the first leg match against Borussia Dortmund). This also applies to other teams.

So, it would be a pointless discussion if we discussed this before the match was actually going to start (IMO).
Here I agreed with your all point we still have nearly one more month for this match with after break we have few changes in teams as well which are having impact on their performance as well so talking who is going to win is completely useless specially in current situation while Chelsea is also suffering badly after break with one lost and one draw mean they also need to fix few issues which are creating troubles for them in defense, and they are not able to have goals from their attackers as well which is also the biggest concern for them in this season.

Dortmund is out of the play as after 13th November they are on break and still have two weeks for their first game after break which will give some better view about their performance and strategy after break because they also need improvement for the better results at the end of this season.

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January 07, 2023, 07:46:21 PM
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I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.
It seems that no one doubts PSG's attack line, instead we see the performances of Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappe are in their best playing condition at the moment. I just want Christophe Galtier to make a few formation changes against Bayern Munich to overcome their current weak point and it seems that defense is also an evaluation material that the coach must think about, so that they can maximize their Intercept against Bayern Munich

A slight overhaul of Lionel Messi's position will make PSG sharper in building attacks, in my opinion placing Lionel Messi slightly below Neymar and Kylian Mbappe will be more optimal in attacking and controlling the game, because Lionel Messi has an advantage in dribbling before giving measurable passes or before scoring
Lionel Messi will be able to instill greater confidence in himself after winning the World Cup. As a result, he will play a big role in doing something good for PSG.

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January 07, 2023, 08:39:03 PM
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What do you say? At the moment Chelsea are looking good? You are joking with this because if they perform well it is impossible now for them to be thrown into 10th place in the EPL standings.
As for Enzo, the latest news says that Chelsea and Benfica have not met common ground in an agreement because Chelsea does not want to pay the expenditure clause and Chelsea's offer has been rejected by Benfica at this time.
Chelsea are not in their best form at the moment. They are very messy in the domestic league. In fact, I think Chelsea will have difficulties when they face Dortmund later. Graham potter continues to look for gaps to improve before this match begins. Graham Potter continues to actively buy players in this transfer window, so far there have been two players successfully brought in by Graham Potter, namely Andrey Santos and David Datro Fofana, who will become a new force in Chelsea's body. Recently, Chelsea also lost Raheem Sterling and Pulisic who were injured against Manchester City. Will their injuries be serious, but I hope these two players can return to strengthen Chelsea when they face Dortmund later.

Lionel Messi will be able to instill greater confidence in himself after winning the World Cup. As a result, he will play a big role in doing something good for PSG.
psg has many star players in their squad from defense to attack. Donnarumma has earned a special place and he has become a solid wall in protecting PSG defense. On the front line, there is Lionel Messi, who has no doubt about his contribution in scoring goals. Sergio Ramos et al will be able to bring PSG to reach the next round in the champions league, but before looking further PSG will first have a tough test, namely they must be able to beat Bayern Munich in the round of 16. even though this fight will start in the next month but it is always our concern to discuss it earlier. psg may just lack experience in terms of their coach in the champions league but it's not a big problem for them because psg has many players who are full of experience in the champions league and have a strong mentality to be champions.

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January 07, 2023, 08:54:05 PM
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I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.
It seems that no one doubts PSG's attack line, instead we see the performances of Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappe are in their best playing condition at the moment. I just want Christophe Galtier to make a few formation changes against Bayern Munich to overcome their current weak point and it seems that defense is also an evaluation material that the coach must think about, so that they can maximize their Intercept against Bayern Munich

A slight overhaul of Lionel Messi's position will make PSG sharper in building attacks, in my opinion placing Lionel Messi slightly below Neymar and Kylian Mbappe will be more optimal in attacking and controlling the game, because Lionel Messi has an advantage in dribbling before giving measurable passes or before scoring
Lionel Messi will be able to instill greater confidence in himself after winning the World Cup. As a result, he will play a big role in doing something good for PSG.
Only scoring goal will not bear good result for PSG. We know Messi Neymar Mbappe trio is a dangerous attack line for any team but I'm not satisfied with their defense. At this time, they have to prevent conceding goal. Overall team performance is need to win against strong team like Bayern Munich.
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January 07, 2023, 09:08:12 PM
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They meet in the next month which means PSG still have much time to prepare the squad and strategy especially their attacker, Messi, and Mbappe. We can't also compare it with the friendly or their match on Ligue 1 because this is the Champions League, where The club and squad dream to be champions. We know Bayern now is look different after Lewa left which maybe a bit easy to PSG win or at least make a draw on Bayern home. but again, when we are talking about mentally, of corse Byaern have mauch than PSG which I thing be the big problem for Messi and friends.
Regarding mentality, Bayern is a team that has that character in the Champions League, but at that time their team was really strong overall, but this season it seems we have to look at the quality of the two teams because both Bayern Munich and PSG have quite different qualities in terms of quality  their squad depth.

I believe Bayern Munich can perform more efficiently at their home ground to become a winner, but I have little doubt about them if the Bayern squad does not appear complete with their core players such as losing Sadio Mane and Manuel Neuer which will be a weak point in the depth of their squad. The final result may be difficult to say because this match will be held in the next month.

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January 07, 2023, 09:56:05 PM
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Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.

With the performance they are showing in EPL, I doubt they are able to qualify for next season of CL so the only chance they have is to win the CL this season which is very difficult in my opinion as there are many strong competitors, Dortmund is probably the easiest one. From other side, the main factor that attributed to their winning of 2021 CL was their coach Thomas Tuchel who is no longer the coach.
In Chelsea's condition, the chances are still tough for next season but I think for next season I think they will start from now on, because there are a lot of new players they have recruited in this transfer and they will try their best in the rest of the EPL season this time.
As for against Dortmund, now their conditions are at least easier because we know that even though Dortmund is a good club in the Bundesliga, their conditions are slightly different when compared to EPL clubs, so there is a big chance for them.

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January 07, 2023, 10:05:58 PM
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Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.

With the performance they are showing in EPL, I doubt they are able to qualify for next season of CL so the only chance they have is to win the CL this season which is very difficult in my opinion as there are many strong competitors, Dortmund is probably the easiest one. From another side, the main factor that attributed to their winning of 2021 CL was their coach Thomas Tuchel who is no longer the coach.
To me Porter's chances of winning the UEFA champion league is a bit bigger than that of winning the English Premier League. But there is still time to fix things and fight for the top 4 in the EPL table, because only this can guarantee participation in the next season's champion league tournament.  There was a little improvement in the match against Manchester City, the performance in that match proves that Chelsea can do better if a productive attacker is added to the team, so let's wait and see what the arrival of Christopher Nkunku will bring

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January 07, 2023, 10:26:28 PM
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With Chelsea still not improving so far, at least I assume that Chelsea is indeed in a period of overhaul from many factors.
So yes, the result of a victory for Chelsea over Dortmund still cannot be something certain but that does not mean that Dortmund will win, because these two teams are also in a situation and condition that is not good this season.

By February when when this match is played, Chelsea will be the obvious favorite as the likes of Reece James and Kante will probably be fit to play the game. Can you also see how active Chelsea are in the transfer window, that's the moves of a team that wants to compete at the top level to win trophies. I don't see Dortmund eliminating Chelsea as that would be a disgrace in the first place. Chelsea are tournament club as they enjoy playing in this kind of competition even more than league games and they do win them.

We mightn't be doing well now but that doesn't mean it'll be our fate in coming weeks. People are quick to forget that Chelsea started this season badly yet we're in the knockout stages and that's proved that with Chelsea you don't write them off that easily. We have the experience and better squad. We just need our manager graham Potter to click with the boys as he did previously and it took us to this stage.

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January 07, 2023, 10:40:57 PM
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Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place.  It was a bit of his bad luck.  Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out.  Their situation in the league is not encouraging.  However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.

Chelsea’s current condition in the league shouldn’t be compared to what they can offer in the champions league. Champions league game is different from domestic league football. The rewards that come with the champions league game after every stage is enough for the players to be at their best expertise in the league. Chelsea will prevail in champions league game without any problem, that I’m very confident about.

I don't see Dortmund eliminating Chelsea as that would be a disgrace in the first place. Chelsea are tournament club as they enjoy playing in this kind of competition even more than league games and they do win them.

In the Champions League, Dortmund is no match for Chelsea. I don't believe these two teams have ever met in the Champions League, and this will be their first meeting. The game will be exciting to watch because each team will want to make history by defeating the other. However, I believe Chelsea has a better chance of progressing to the next round of the competition than Dortmund.

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