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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
Total Voters: 147

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January 18, 2023, 05:26:46 AM
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I have to say that Liverpool are really struggling at the moment. I can see, bringing in Cody Gakpo to the team has not made any noticeable difference to the performance on the pitch. Jurgen Klopp's loss against Brighton was something that was totally unexpected. Due to the fact that they have had a really rough run of form, I have a feeling that they are going to have a very hard time playing against Real Madrid. In spite of the fact that Real Madrid recently lost their final match against Barcelona, overall Real Madrid are in a far better state than Liverpool at this point in time.
Just the fact that Real and Liverpool lost, shows that these teams are not all right. And if for Real Madrid the last game with Barcelona was unsuccessful, and perhaps this is an isolated case, then for Liverpool this is a frequent occurrence, they alternate victories with defeats throughout the season and it is not clear what can be expected from them. Therefore, Real Madrid will be my favorite here, but most likely both teams will score goals in matches, because they have a good attack and not the best defense, especially Liverpool.

A lot of big teams are suffering right now which seems a little bit weird from a viewer's perspective. But I think that in a head to head match Real Madrid has the advantage over Liverpool. Because I think the Liverpool team at this moment lacks a bit of chemistry which is not the case for Real Madrid. Yes, they have slipped once against Barcelona but other than this match they have been in good form so far.



Football seasons in Spain and England are very long and tiring and it is completely normal that football teams cannot play every game at the highest level and win all the time.
However, I think that the situation of Liverpool and Real cannot be compared, because in Spain for a long time only 2 clubs are fighting for the top, Barcelona and Real, while in England the competition is much stronger and the league is better, with many more candidates for the championship title.
Liverpool has a slightly weaker season than usual, but they still have a good chance to win at least fourth place, which guarantees a place in the Champions League next season.
For them, the game against Real will be the highlight of the season, the most important game of the year and I'm sure they will play a good game against Real.
After all, they already beat Manchester City this season and showed that they are still a great team that can beat any team in the world. The match between Real and Barcelona a few days ago showed that Real has its own problems and that they are not invincible or favorites in the match against Liverpool.

Yes but overall if we look at both the teams in their respective leagues, we can for sure say that Real Madrid is in a far better position compared to Liverpool. Real Madrid have slipped only once in this game against Barcelona, but Liverpool have been playing inconsistently throughout the season which is a bit worrying for their match against Real Madrid.

Although I agree with you that they might be able to finish top four to secure the champions league position, however, for the time being right now, Real Madrid are a better team than Liverpool

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January 18, 2023, 07:52:48 AM
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The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.
This season will certainly be a little easier for Real Madrid in facing Liverpool in the Champions League because Liverpool themselves are in a very inconsistent condition. Everyone can see this in every Liverpool match in their domestic league where Liverpool have lost very often to teams that are not too strong and now Liverpool is in a very bad ranking in their domestic league. So this will certainly be very difficult for Liverpool to face Real Madrid in the Champions League.

The performance of the Liverpool team is not stable. Liverpool was also badly beaten in the last match against a weak Brighton. But let's not forget that Liverpool is an experienced club and they have a strong squad. And maybe because of tactical weakness, we are not getting good performance from Liverpool. In the match between Madrid and Liverpool, Madrid is definitely the favorite. Still, Liverpool is not to be taken lightly. If Real Madrid makes any mistakes in the match, they are likely to lose points.

I agree with you on this Liverpool is not in good shape as they have suffered several defeats from the weaker teams lately but when it comes to their game in the Champions League, I think is going to be an interesting game because knowing that they are up against Real Madrid Aline will motivate them to put up a good performance and as we all know, Liverpool have a good experience in the game likewise  Madrid so we should expect a tough match between the two side as they both will not want to miss out in the next stage. Madrid is not the favourite in my opinion because them performance has not been solid like before but they can rise up to do the unthinkable since is going to be a big match for them.

The Champions League is a special competition in which football players always give their best.
In the championship, if a team loses a match, there is enough time for the club to return to the top with new victories, but in the Champions League you always have to be at the highest level and mentally and physically ready at all times.
Some clubs like PSG or Manchester City, despite investing a lot of money in their teams, never manage to win the Champions League.
That is why it is very difficult for a team to say that it is the favorite in the Champions League.
The success of Villarreal last season in the Champions League is the best example of this.

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January 18, 2023, 08:05:49 AM
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Real Madrid have been even better than Liverpool most of the time, not just now. Liverpool have only won 6 titles compared to Real Madrid's 14 titles so far, meanwhile Liverpool are only 1 title ahead of Barcelona which ranks 5th in the acquisition of titles. Real Madrid's performance this season is also better than Liverpool's, but you can expect something different in the Champions League considering that Liverpool have only lost once in the group stage.
The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.


The meeting of Liverpool and Real Madrid in the Champions League is not a new one. These two clubs has met severally is this recent champions league outing. The result of their  meetings always favour Madrid. Even when  Liverpool will come for revenge, they will end up being defeated again.
I think Madrid will beat Liverpool outside Anfield.  But if it is the Madrid we saw against Barca yesterday, they cannot beat Liverpool

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January 18, 2023, 08:12:05 AM
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The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.
Real Madrid have been doing quite well this season, but they haven't been as consistent as their usual selves, they aren't at the summit of the la liga table because of that, and they were also easily brushed aside by Barcelona in Supercopa final, but they aren't as bad as Liverpool have been, Klopp's side haven't just been bad, they have been terrible thus far this season.

Having said that, whilst we can't really predict the outcome of the game as it is a couple of weeks away, if Liverpool do not improve, they are going to be beaten convincingly by Real Madrid, but if Liverpool can get in their right rhythm before that game, then we have a real contest on our hands.

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January 18, 2023, 08:31:44 AM
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The meeting of Liverpool and Real Madrid in the Champions League is not a new one. These two clubs has met severally is this recent champions league outing. The result of their  meetings always favour Madrid. Even when  Liverpool will come for revenge, they will end up being defeated again.
I think Madrid will beat Liverpool outside Anfield.  But if it is the Madrid we saw against Barca yesterday, they cannot beat Liverpool

Liverpool and Real Madrid are teams that have a long history in the Champions League. Both of them are also the most trophy collectors in Europe. But from the historical record of the meeting between the two, Real Madrid is superior. Even twice, Liverpool were humiliated in the final.

However, Madrid's performance after the World Cup break began to decline. Even the last game Madrid was able to beat by Barcelona. Ancelotti is of course very worried about the situation in his current team, I think he needs to add new players to his squad to face the intense competition in the Champions League. Because it is very unlikely if Ancelotti continues to rely on Benzema, Modric and Kroos.

Real Madrid is very favored against Liverpool, but if you continue to rely on a squad like today I'm sure El Real will not be able to defend its title.

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January 18, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
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Luciano Spalletti is at a golden period in his coaching career with Napoli. I think he will take advantage of this golden moment to bring Napoli to be a serious enough challenger team in the Champions League in the competition for the Trophy.
Indeed, if you look at their current strength, it looks quite promising that they can qualify for the next round. They managed to make juventus embarrassed a few days ago. While their match is still quite long, it's February. There is no recent record of Napoli's match against Frankfrut. So it seems that if you and Naples underestimate Frankfrut it is wrong. They are also a pretty good team, their spirit we can't know. Moreover, The first leg will play in Germany, Deutsche Bank Park, I think they will try to win without conceding a goal.
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January 18, 2023, 10:03:05 AM
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Real Madrid have been doing quite well this season, but they haven't been as consistent as their usual selves, they aren't at the summit of the la liga table because of that, and they were also easily brushed aside by Barcelona in Supercopa final, but they aren't as bad as Liverpool have been, Klopp's side haven't just been bad, they have been terrible thus far this season.

Having said that, whilst we can't really predict the outcome of the game as it is a couple of weeks away, if Liverpool do not improve, they are going to be beaten convincingly by Real Madrid, but if Liverpool can get in their right rhythm before that game, then we have a real contest on our hands.

Yes, you're right, Liverpool in general looks worse than Real Madrid, but sometimes they can show their best game, just like Real Madrid can suddenly show a very bad game, as they did recently with Barcelona. In Madrid, Real is likely to win, as Liverpool's away matches are even worse, and the home match can be drawn. Liverpool can't find their game, I don't believe that Klopp will be able to radically change anything before the matches with Real Madrid.

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January 18, 2023, 10:04:42 AM
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Real Madrid has been a little bit down in La Liga for many reasons. Ancelotti insists he needs a few players to improve his team's form with a full-back and a striker the two players who are urgently needed. Real Madrid cannot fully rely on Benzema until the end of the season, and that will definitely be a problem when Benzema fails to prove his consistency in scoring goals.

But I think Real Madrid will do well in their preparations against Liverpool in the Champions League. We proved it last season even if there were doubts, but the title is the most valid proof that Real Madrid should not be underestimated under any situation.
Seems not problem facing by Real Madrid although have underperformance at last several matches actually loss opportunity at Spanish Cup from Barcelona. I am not agree with you about underperformance from Karim Benzema and Carlo Ancelotti need new player on center forward, exactly after World Cup Karim Benzema have consistency performance and success scored 5 goals of 4 matches.

Its seems most brilliant statistic having by Karim Benzema for Real Madrid although he can't help team beaten from Villareal at La Liga and get loss from Barcelona in Spanish Cup. Have new replacement I think on defender area, seems Ferland Mendy need new back up player for his position after several games I watched he not have top performance.

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January 18, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
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The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.
This season will certainly be a little easier for Real Madrid in facing Liverpool in the Champions League because Liverpool themselves are in a very inconsistent condition. Everyone can see this in every Liverpool match in their domestic league where Liverpool have lost very often to teams that are not too strong and now Liverpool is in a very bad ranking in their domestic league. So this will certainly be very difficult for Liverpool to face Real Madrid in the Champions League.
I hope so. Real Madrid was also facing the same problem as Liverpool and this gonna be a very good chance for real Madrid if the club can go back to its best performance as soon as possible. The loss against Barcelona has been making so many people were talking about real Madrid right now.
Real Madrid's performance was declining from the top. The worst result was achieved by Liverpool when Liverpool was facing brighton. It's a big shame for Liverpool to lose a lot of goals against brighten.
I will never pick Liverpool. real Madrid is far better for me personally in the upcoming match of champion league. there are only small chances for Liverpool to win the current season.

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January 18, 2023, 01:14:20 PM
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Real Madrid have been doing quite well this season, but they haven't been as consistent as their usual selves, they aren't at the summit of the la liga table because of that, and they were also easily brushed aside by Barcelona in Supercopa final, but they aren't as bad as Liverpool have been, Klopp's side haven't just been bad, they have been terrible thus far this season.

Having said that, whilst we can't really predict the outcome of the game as it is a couple of weeks away, if Liverpool do not improve, they are going to be beaten convincingly by Real Madrid, but if Liverpool can get in their right rhythm before that game, then we have a real contest on our hands.

Yes, you're right, Liverpool in general looks worse than Real Madrid, but sometimes they can show their best game, just like Real Madrid can suddenly show a very bad game, as they did recently with Barcelona. In Madrid, Real is likely to win, as Liverpool's away matches are even worse, and the home match can be drawn. Liverpool can't find their game, I don't believe that Klopp will be able to radically change anything before the matches with Real Madrid.

Klopp has tried in various ways to restore his team's performance. unfortunately, until now Liverpool has not made significant progress. although Klopp has carried out many experiments, with various formations, tactics, patterns and strategies, his efforts have not yielded the expected results.
on the other hand, Klopp is more focused on improving Liverpool's performance rather than looking for new players like Chelsea did. because after all, the problem that Liverpool is facing is not because of the players who do not have quality. however, they faced many internal problems, one of which was that Liverpool had many injured players since the start of the season and until now several players have still been absent due to injuries.

Talking about round of 16 matches. on paper, Madrid should be able to easily overthrow Liverpool, who incidentally are currently in a declining phase of performance even though in the first leg Madrid will play away games. But in football, anything can happen. but sometimes, we will not be surprised if when Liverpool surprises.

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January 18, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
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Real Madrid have been doing quite well this season, but they haven't been as consistent as their usual selves, they aren't at the summit of the la liga table because of that, and they were also easily brushed aside by Barcelona in Supercopa final, but they aren't as bad as Liverpool have been, Klopp's side haven't just been bad, they have been terrible thus far this season.

Having said that, whilst we can't really predict the outcome of the game as it is a couple of weeks away, if Liverpool do not improve, they are going to be beaten convincingly by Real Madrid, but if Liverpool can get in their right rhythm before that game, then we have a real contest on our hands.

Yes, you're right, Liverpool,, in general looks worse than Real Madrid, but sometimes they can show their best game, just like Real Madrid can suddenly show a very bad game, as they did recently with Barcelona. In Madrid, Real is likely to win, as Liverpool's away matches are even worse, and the home match can be drawn. Liverpool can't find their game, I don't believe that Klopp will be able to radically change anything before the matches with Real Madrid.
If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea

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January 18, 2023, 02:39:39 PM
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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea
Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact

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January 18, 2023, 04:04:56 PM
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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea
Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact
Even without seeing head to head, we already know that Real Madrid is the king of Europe, because Real Madrid's record in Europe is the best record, but we also have to realize that Liverpool's record in the Champions League is not bad, even though Liverpool are currently struggling in the domestic league. to get the best place but Liverpool's performance is very inversely in the Champions League, playing less consistently in the domestic league but able to play well in the Champions League, I am very optimistic that four representatives from England will definitely qualify for the next round,

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January 18, 2023, 04:32:21 PM
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The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.
This season will certainly be a little easier for Real Madrid in facing Liverpool in the Champions League because Liverpool themselves are in a very inconsistent condition. Everyone can see this in every Liverpool match in their domestic league where Liverpool have lost very often to teams that are not too strong and now Liverpool is in a very bad ranking in their domestic league. So this will certainly be very difficult for Liverpool to face Real Madrid in the Champions League.
It was a nightmare for Liverpool when their condition was unstable, they had to face Real Madrid, which incidentally was better than them now, and also their record of meetings made Real Madrid better than them. I want to see how Jurgen Klopp will respond to this, whether they will be able to get better in the next game, or if they do the same as their domestic league matches, namely continue to drop points in each of their matches.

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January 18, 2023, 05:19:48 PM
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Yes, you're right, Liverpool in general looks worse than Real Madrid, but sometimes they can show their best game, just like Real Madrid can suddenly show a very bad game, as they did recently with Barcelona. In Madrid, Real is likely to win, as Liverpool's away matches are even worse, and the home match can be drawn. Liverpool can't find their game, I don't believe that Klopp will be able to radically change anything before the matches with Real Madrid.
Real Madrid will once again be favorites against Liverpool in the round of 16, I think.
Liverpool have been disappointing lately and probably since the start of the season. It's hard to get into top form in a short amount of time, but anything can happen if players are highly motivated to win. I don't see Liverpool as weak, but maybe it's true that they are no better than Real Madrid.

Even though the analysis is like that, we know Liverpool have performed better in the Champions League this season. Their performance looks good even though in the Premier League they lost so many points. It's tough against Real Madrid, it's hard to expect Liverpool to win, but I think Liverpool also have a chance to win it.

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January 18, 2023, 05:35:11 PM
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The history between Liverpool and Real Madrid has its own story. Real Madrid is still ahead of any team when it comes to the number of UCL trophies. At the moment Real Madrid is still in consistent condition both in the domestic league and the UCL, they always get the best results from every match and when I meet Liverpool in the play-offs later I'm sure Real Madrid will win in leg 1 and leg 2.
This season will certainly be a little easier for Real Madrid in facing Liverpool in the Champions League because Liverpool themselves are in a very inconsistent condition. Everyone can see this in every Liverpool match in their domestic league where Liverpool have lost very often to teams that are not too strong and now Liverpool is in a very bad ranking in their domestic league. So this will certainly be very difficult for Liverpool to face Real Madrid in the Champions League.
It was a nightmare for Liverpool when their condition was unstable, they had to face Real Madrid, which incidentally was better than them now, and also their record of meetings made Real Madrid better than them. I want to see how Jurgen Klopp will respond to this, whether they will be able to get better in the next game, or if they do the same as their domestic league matches, namely continue to drop points in each of their matches.

Even though Liverpool have experienced a rather severe decline in performance in the English Premier League, I am still pretty sure that when Liverpool play against Real Madrid in the Champions League, it looks like Liverpool will be able to play well. Because when a team plays in the Champions League, even though they are not the favorite team, it often happens that the unfavorable teams can play well and maybe beat the favorite team.
So yes, talking about results in the Champions League is basically a difficult result to predict, because they will give everything they have to get a good result.

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January 18, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
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Yes, you're right, Liverpool in general looks worse than Real Madrid, but sometimes they can show their best game, just like Real Madrid can suddenly show a very bad game, as they did recently with Barcelona. In Madrid, Real is likely to win, as Liverpool's away matches are even worse, and the home match can be drawn. Liverpool can't find their game, I don't believe that Klopp will be able to radically change anything before the matches with Real Madrid.

So far, no team is truly unbeatable, even a team as strong as PSG or Man City can be beaten easily by a mid-table team, so the defeats that Madrid - Barcelona - Liverpool have won are natural because that is the beauty of football. what Klopp needs to fix is their front line, because that is what is currently the most troublesome for Liverpool.

It was a nightmare for Liverpool when their condition was unstable, they had to face Real Madrid, which incidentally was better than them now, and also their record of meetings made Real Madrid better than them. I want to see how Jurgen Klopp will respond to this, whether they will be able to get better in the next game, or if they do the same as their domestic league matches, namely continue to drop points in each of their matches.

Liverpool will host (leg 1 of 2 ) against Madrid, and it is predicted that the match will run very hot, Klopp will definitely think about the best strategy for his team because Madrid is a very scary team, especially this time Liverpool is still in an unconvincing condition and unstable.



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January 18, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea
Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact
Indeed, the fact that Real Madrid's head to head against Liverpool is no longer in doubt, Real Madrid is far superior to Liverpool. But I will focus on talking about Chelsea at the moment, they spent up to 421 million euros in the current transfer market and if they fail to go to the next round against Dortmund then it looks like it will be a waste of money, considering that amount of money not a little.

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January 18, 2023, 08:31:09 PM
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Even though Liverpool have experienced a rather severe decline in performance in the English Premier League, I am still pretty sure that when Liverpool play against Real Madrid in the Champions League, it looks like Liverpool will be able to play well. Because when a team plays in the Champions League, even though they are not the favorite team, it often happens that the unfavorable teams can play well and maybe beat the favorite team.
So yes, talking about results in the Champions League is basically a difficult result to predict, because they will give everything they have to get a good result.

In knockout games, each team has a chance against each, and even the favorites are forced to overcome in order to achieve a result. For example, last season it's hard to call City's victory over Atlético easy, although Atlético turned into an already rather sad team and it seemed that City would easily defeat them. And this is possible in any pair. If we take a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, then I consider Real Madrid to be the undisputed favorite, but the result is not guaranteed to anyone.

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January 18, 2023, 08:50:51 PM
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Real Madrid was also facing the same problem as Liverpool and this gonna be a very good chance for real Madrid if the club can go back to its best performance as soon as possible. The loss against Barcelona has been making so many people were talking about real Madrid right now.
Real Madrid's performance was declining from the top. The worst result was achieved by Liverpool when Liverpool was facing brighton. It's a big shame for Liverpool to lose a lot of goals against brighten.
I will never pick Liverpool. real Madrid is far better for me personally in the upcoming match of champion league. there are only small chances for Liverpool to win the current season.
I do not think that Real is that bad. I mean they are second in their league, and they are in the UCL right now as well. Which combined together is not that terrible for them to be doing, that's not half bad at all. I know that people expected a lot better from them after their last years domination of everyone, but this year it could be a little different.

All in all I believe that they are going to end up with something much better when the time comes, and in order to do that they need to focus on being better and getting better players. So far they are fine, whereas Liverpool on the other hand is losing left and right to everyone, and that's why it's different.

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