[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[Melody Jelly]

hi! This is really good coin.
i'm looking for ways to use Monero directly to pay for my everyday activities. Was thinking of using a crypto credit card. Someone tried it?

[Hueristic]

I'm a little behind the times, are we going to see zk-STARKS in Monero?

While Monero’s lead developer, Riccardo Spagni, has criticized Zcash in the past, calling it a “complete security farce,” this new system of implementing zero knowledge proofs may avoid some of the serious issues that Zcash’s current zk-SNARKs system has. Spagni told CoinDesk that Monero will integrate zk-STARKs “if and when it’s usable.

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/10/11/monero-considers-implementing-zk-starks/

I don't think our community is wedded to any particular technology. We have a vision of providing private fungible value storage and transfer at the best scale that technology currently allows for while using only safe and well vetted techniques. We also have very healthy governance and a well balanced and rational community who all have a similar vision, so forks tend to be a breeze. If it turns out that ZK-Starks is the bees knees it will almost certainly be implemented here.

It is not usable, and doesn't look to become usable in the foreseeable future.  IIRC transactions would take like 20 minutes or something to compute.  I don't remember the details, just that it isn't currently viable.

Holy shit I read it was long but really? Do you have a link on that?

BTW what is the longest calculated transaction time thats currently in use for comparisons sake?

...Clipped...

Enter the DAG

The closest thing I've seen so far that matches my imagined path is a directed acyclic graph.

From Wikipedia:

"In mathematics and computer science, a directed acyclic graph is a finite directed graph with no directed cycles."

A DAG model works differently than a blockchain. A common blockchain requires miners to maintain blocks, but a DAG wouldn't need either proof-of-work or blocks.

New models of management would be needed. So, there is a lot of work to do.

But this model theoretically gets better as new nodes are added. So it may be an improved model for both fees (or, in ethereum parlance, "gas") and scalability over current blockchain models.

In the future, we may have something that does what a blockchain does, only better. There are still challenges to this model, so I don't know how this will play out. But, I think this design is intriguing, and I'm curious to see how it develops.

https://www.coindesk.com/10-years-wont-blockchains/

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I've seen this argument in alot of Dag coin threads but have seen no working POC. So afa I'm concerned it's pie in the sky and BC tech could morph into anything or nothing at all for the foreseeable future.

How Does the Attack Work?...........

Suppose you have an address that your coins are on when then fork happens. Now you have the same private key holding funds on both the main chain and the fork chain. You decide to make a transaction on the main chain. Your client picks 4 random inputs for ring signature partners plus your actual input. A B C D E are the ring signatories for your transaction on main chain. Which one is the real input? Nobody knows. Now you go over to the fork chain and you use that same private key to author a transaction on that that chain. Your client picks 4 random inputs for ring signature partners plus your actual input. F G C H I are the ring signatories for your transaction on the fork chain. Now which ring signature input was the real one and which were the decoys?

I've decided to split my romero's into 1 tachoshi wallets and use those to cash in on monerov.

hi! This is really good coin.
i'm looking for ways to use Monero directly to pay for my everyday activities. Was thinking of using a crypto credit card. Someone tried it?

Try pointing "it" out.

[aminorex]

Long compute times and higher fees for especially sensitive transactions would be fine.  RingCT2 or its direct successor might be used alongside zk-STARKs, or one class embedded with the other.  I have no idea if this can be done without creating new information flows with adverse privacy implications for either class of transaction.  This has probably been discussed elsewhere.

[explorer]

It is not usable, and doesn't look to become usable in the foreseeable future.  IIRC transactions would take like 20 minutes or something to compute.  I don't remember the details, just that it isn't currently viable.

Holy shit I read it was long but really? Do you have a link on that?

As I stated, I don't recall the particulars, just my conclusions.  Sorry, my main storage is getting full, so I overwrite all but the headers    The info is still out there somewhere.  If I come across it again, I will link it here.

[Hueristic]

Long compute times and higher fees for especially sensitive transactions would be fine.  RingCT2 or its direct successor might be used alongside zk-STARKs, or one class embedded with the other.  I have no idea if this can be done without creating new information flows with adverse privacy implications for either class of transaction.  This has probably been discussed elsewhere.

I completely agree with the bolded, as for the rest of your statement I have no clue but would like to know as well.

As I stated, I don't recall the particulars, just my conclusions.  Sorry, my main storage is getting full, so I overwrite all but the headers    The info is still out there somewhere.  If I come across it again, I will link it here.

It probably got culled from the speculation thread lol, sometimes we can shoot ourselfs in the foot by posting in there and forgetting the off topic will disappear.

AFA searching I have spent far to much time trying to find the theoretical debate of speculative and/or prediction paths way back in the mid nineties that I've inferred to over the years that we are seeing in effect ATM. So my online time has been turning into work instead of pleasure and I don't like that!

[birr]

Hy guys,

is there here on bitcointalk a thread for the monerujo android wallet, i personally didn´t find one.
Thank you for pointing me in the right direction in forehand!

Found this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2370501.0

[Dodnastes]

Can this coin be merge mined with fantomcoin?

It cannot merge mined with fantomcoin.

[elrippos friend]

Hy guys,

is there here on bitcointalk a thread for the monerujo android wallet, i personally didn´t find one.
Thank you for pointing me in the right direction in forehand!

Found this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2370501.0

Yeeeaaahhh, found that one too, but i am looking for a "official" thread from monerujo 

[novag]

Help please, I'm trying to open an old wallet, writes here is such an error - "Could not open wallet: basic_string :: _ M_replace_aux" it is generally possible how to open it?

[doc12]

I wonder how the ledger wallet integration is stepping forward? Any news on this? Last update was 2 or 3 months ago.

[dEBRUYNE]

Help please, I'm trying to open an old wallet, writes here is such an error - "Could not open wallet: basic_string :: _ M_replace_aux" it is generally possible how to open it?

See:

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6611/cant-load-wallet-in-cli-v0-11-1-0-error-stdbad-alloc-error-basic-string

[dEBRUYNE]

I wonder how the ledger wallet integration is stepping forward? Any news on this? Last update was 2 or 3 months ago.

Last update was ~ 1 month ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7pfj0z/ledger_hardware_wallet_monero_integration_some/

[explorer]

I wonder how the ledger wallet integration is stepping forward? Any news on this? Last update was 2 or 3 months ago.

Haven't seen anything in weeks.  Might be waiting to coincide with the next release in march?  If not, then they've hit some snag, because the language in January indicated imminent release.

[alyssa85]

The online  magazine Salon is adopting Monero for funding:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/salon-disable-ad-blocker-or-let-us-mine-cryptocurrency-monero.html

U.S. online news publication Salon has adopted an unconventional alternative to ads to make money — using a reader's computing power to mine cryptocurrency.

News organizations rely on advertising revenue to make ends meet, and often advise against readers using ad blocking add-ons to support the running of the site.

But Salon, which is owned by Salon Media Group, is now giving readers that don't want ads to appear on content an option to "suppress ads." This allows Salon to use a reader's unused computing power to mine virtual currency.

Its virtual currency of choice? Monero, a privacy-focused coin.

To "mine" digital currencies, cryptocurrency miners work out complex mathematical solutions to add transactions to the underlying blockchain, or distributed ledger. Blockchains maintain a continuously growing log of transactions or other data across a network of computers.

"Your unused processing power are the resources you already have but are not actively using to its full potential at the time of browsing Salon.com," the online publication said on a frequently asked questions (FAQ) page.

"Mining uses more of your resources which means your computer works a bit harder and uses more electricity than if you were just passively browsing the site with ads.

[iCEBREAKER]

Great new episode of The Max Keiser Report Crypto Hour features Monero:

Please encourage everyone's favorite, wacky intoxicated CryptoHosts, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, to make more Monero-related content by donating to the address at the link!  

[Nathan047]

The online  magazine Salon is adopting Monero for funding [...]

One more reason to use Noscript & Safescript for Firefox & Chrome respectively.

[garytheasshole]

The online  magazine Salon is adopting Monero for funding [...]

One more reason to use Noscript & Safescript for Firefox & Chrome respectively.

One more reason not to read that garbage.

[Nathan047]

The online  magazine Salon is adopting Monero for funding [...]

One more reason to use Noscript & Safescript for Firefox & Chrome respectively.

One more reason not to read that garbage.

I never read it to begin with

[explorer]

They are way ahead of you the curve.  Go to getmonero.org and read some blogs.  Or just hold your nose, and go to reddit, where the news breaks these days.

Great if the team really is aware and even ahead.

Could you give some links on getmonero.org about this issue. There is too much info to search for me.

Here's one:

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/89005/funding-for-sarang-at-mrl-for-q1-2018?page=&noscroll=1#post-93863

[novag]

Please help i have error with send -

"Can't create transaction: not enough outputs for specified ring size = 5:
output amount = 0.000597493217, found outputs to use = 2
output amount = 0.000748377436, found outputs to use = 1
output amount = 0.000601980835, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.004438588812, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.003095426344, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.000387802504, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.004889232384, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.004245093362, found outputs to use = 1
output amount = 0.001235839108, found outputs to use = 1
output amount = 0.000138252628, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.004987944819, found outputs to use = 2
output amount = 0.003911569279, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.000681400236, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.000914536208, found outputs to use = 2
output amount = 0.001656798641, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.000076525416, found outputs to use = 1
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output amount = 0.003362542300, found outputs to use = 3
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