[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[nullius]

This:

You can safely ignore the warning as long as you properly verify the GPG signed hashes:

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html

Checking hashes alone is of limited use.  What if an attacker totally compromised the website, and changed the hashes to match his malicious replacement of the downloadable files?  Whereas the PGP signing keys should be stored and used with much higher security than can be expected of the webserver.  I think that fluffypony (now binaryfate as the signer?) probably knows how to handle PGP keys. ;–)

I have not reviewed the linked guides.  I did skim the beginning of the Windows beginner guide, and noticed an omission:  It does not explain how to verify the Gpg4win download, when you do not have PGP/GPG installed.

Chicken-and-egg problem?  Not quite:  The Gpg4win maintainers have a Microsoft Authenticode signing key,^* so that you can bootstrap trust using built-in Microsoft Windows features:

https://gpg4win.org/package-integrity.html

That is always the first link that I provide to Microsoft Windows users whom I am tutoring in PGP usage.  I suggest that somebody involved in the Monero Project should add this link to the Windows verification guide, with a concise additional explanation, and perhaps some more screenshots of what this actually looks like in current versions of Microsoft Windows.  The pertinent part of the guide:

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html

1.2. Use Gpg4win Installer

You will be presented with a security verification screen, click Run.

Check that the file is authentic, then click Run.

I have no Windows in my house, so I can’t see how this works in current versions.  The screenshot’s identification of Intevation GmbH as the signer matches the information currently stated on the above-linked Gpg4win verification page.  Users should understand the significance of this, and also know how to check the key fingerprint.  From my recollection of having used long-obsolete MS Windows versions in the distant past, it should all be point-and-click.

In my opinion, if the signature is valid, you should carefully check which Authenticode key was used to sign the file:  Don’t just blindly rely on the system of certificate authorities trusted by Microsoft to verify to you that your download was signed by... somebody who could follow the procedure to obtain an Authenticode signing key.  At the baseline, you should be aware of the Authenticode signature so that you can watch to see if it is not verified; and you can also check it manually if desired, with a few clicks in Windows Explorer.

The same link provides information on verifying Gpg4win using PGP/GPG signatures, for those who are upgrading (or migrating from a different OpenPGP implementation) and want to check the PGP signatures.

(* Obtaining and keeping an Authenticode signing key requires expense, red tape, and (IIUC) dox to a certificate authority.  It should not be expected of most open-source projects.  Gpg4win really needs one, so that users with no PGP can verify their first PGP software.)


I just noticed that the bitcoin.org download page does not link to any corresponding guide.  For now, I suppose that Microsoft Windows users installing Bitcoin Core can follow the Monero verification guide, but with laanwj’s public key.

I did a few more test.

First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...

Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).

I am "almost sure" it is a false positive.

Please don’t waste your time and effort.  For this purpose, “antivirus” software is of negligible (i.e., practically zero) help—even negative help:

Thereafter, you can apply this guide to ensure the AV software does not delete required files:

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10798/my-antivirus-av-software-blocks-quarantines-the-monero-gui-wallet-is-there

If you trust the Monero lead devs, then the PGP-signed hash file does what you want:  It proves that you are installing the software that they themselves provided to you.  If you don’t want to trust, then nothing short of a thorough code audit will suffice.

[SaveMyBtc]

I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

[Hueristic]

I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.

[SaveMyBtc]

I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.

@nullius, IOU+sM 
^^^--- fyi, I use these placeholders to not forget.

You are right, no news can be good news in the crypto world. But there also must be some new project in the pipeline. I really hope there will be some in the near future, there shoild be also a new roadmap, that people can see the future visions of the project. I treuly believe in the next bull run monero will be one of the top 10 coins again. But the usecases must grow and this is a very important thing. Well will see what the future brings to us.

[Hueristic]

I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.

@nullius, IOU+sM 
^^^--- fyi, I use these placeholders to not forget.

You are right, no news can be good news in the crypto world. But there also must be some new project in the pipeline. I really hope there will be some in the near future, there shoild be also a new roadmap, that people can see the future visions of the project. I treuly believe in the next bull run monero will be one of the top 10 coins again. But the usecases must grow and this is a very important thing. Well will see what the future brings to us.

I completely disagree with the bolded.

Monero has one usecase and that is all it needs.

[harvw]

Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

[dEBRUYNE]

Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

[harvw]

Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

Yes I've tried to contact them through telegram but no luck. Do you know how I can contact their support team directly?

[Millionero]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

[jwinterm]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

[Millionero]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

[jwinterm]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

[dEBRUYNE]

Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

Yes I've tried to contact them through telegram but no luck. Do you know how I can contact their support team directly?

Try emailing them at:

support[at]mymonero[dot]com

[Hueristic]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

Lets not forget bulletproofs have shrunk transaction what 90%? so I'm going to hazard a guess that current transactions today are smaller than those initially and therefore he should have a few years. either way its not tough to copy 32gb thumb drives when the time comes.

But I don't know the numbers just taking a wild guess that I'm pretty confident is true.

[jwinterm]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

Lets not forget bulletproofs have shrunk transaction what 90%? so I'm going to hazard a guess that current transactions today are smaller than those initially and therefore he should have a few years. either way its not tough to copy 32gb thumb drives when the time comes.

But I don't know the numbers just taking a wild guess that I'm pretty confident is true.

No, I'm pretty sure that even with bulletproofs txs are still significantly larger than in the olden days. See here:
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/211/how-much-larger-are-monero-transactions-compared-to-the-average-bitcoin-transact

Looks like pre-RingCT could be as small as a few hundred bytes for normal txs, now about 2 kB.

[Hueristic]

About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.

lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

Lets not forget bulletproofs have shrunk transaction what 90%? so I'm going to hazard a guess that current transactions today are smaller than those initially and therefore he should have a few years. either way its not tough to copy 32gb thumb drives when the time comes.

But I don't know the numbers just taking a wild guess that I'm pretty confident is true.

No, I'm pretty sure that even with bulletproofs txs are still significantly larger than in the olden days. See here:
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/211/how-much-larger-are-monero-transactions-compared-to-the-average-bitcoin-transact

Looks like pre-RingCT could be as small as a few hundred bytes for normal txs, now about 2 kB.

Good to know, I'll take your word for it. thx

[jwinterm]

It was just RingCT without bulletproofs were humongous, like 14 kB for regular tx or something, and I think that may have been during kind of alphabay insanity days, so maybe significant portion of that 26 GB is from them, but that is a lot more analysis than I'm willing to provide 

[Hueristic]

It was just RingCT without bulletproofs were humongous, like 14 kB for regular tx or something, and I think that may have been during kind of alphabay insanity days, so maybe significant portion of that 26 GB is from them, but that is a lot more analysis than I'm willing to provide 

Well as you said average is about 2k so all he has to do is some simple arithmetic with that number to make an educated guess.

Transactions are about 3% of BTC right now I think. I'm not sure if they track linearly or not but that would be interesting graph to see.

[Hueristic]

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Just ask and we will tell what code Monero is based on. I think you have made the mistake of thinking this is some shitcoin that has a bunch of tards that don't do their due diligence.

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Regards,

Did you know that if you had extrapolated what I posted above from this then you would have never got a reply from me?

[smooth]

It was just RingCT without bulletproofs were humongous, like 14 kB for regular tx or something, and I think that may have been during kind of alphabay insanity days, so maybe significant portion of that 26 GB is from them, but that is a lot more analysis than I'm willing to provide 

Well as you said average is about 2k so all he has to do is some simple arithmetic with that number to make an educated guess.

Transactions are about 3% of BTC right now I think. I'm not sure if they track linearly or not but that would be interesting graph to see.

The ratio with BTC has been increasing significantly lately.

https://twitter.com/binaryFate/status/1248238974012985344