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November 21, 2017, 07:58:03 AM
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It would be a major step to make a truly user friendly wallet. Monero, even with all it's other problems, has a nightmare wallet.

Aeon has always been the respectable cn coin and it's wallet is okay but should be easier on new people.

I would have to disagree about Monero having a nightmare wallet. Did you try their GUI? They have developed one of the cleanest and nice looking graphic interfaces in all of the cryptospace.

I also disagree about rushing to make Aeon easier to use. Like what smooth did with Monero, he should ignore the rest and concentrate on the core of the project.


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November 21, 2017, 03:17:49 PM
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Hello everybody. 
I'm interested in Aeon and would like to get a wallet going.  I have some Aeon sitting on Bittrex that I want to withdraw.
I've been into Monero since it launched in 2014.  I currently maintain two nodes.  One is on my laptop, the other is a VPS.  I use the cli wallet, not the gui.  So getting an Aeon wallet up and running shouldn't be too hard for me to do.
First question:  can you run the Aeon wallet by connecting to a remote node, so as to avoid having to sync the blockchain?
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November 21, 2017, 07:53:43 PM
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the rebase announcement is "coming soon" I've read somewhere MOON
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November 22, 2017, 02:06:20 AM
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Hello everybody.  
I'm interested in Aeon and would like to get a wallet going.  I have some Aeon sitting on Bittrex that I want to withdraw.
I've been into Monero since it launched in 2014.  I currently maintain two nodes.  One is on my laptop, the other is a VPS.  I use the cli wallet, not the gui.  So getting an Aeon wallet up and running shouldn't be too hard for me to do.
First question:  can you run the Aeon wallet by connecting to a remote node, so as to avoid having to sync the blockchain?


Yes you can: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/73829j/public_nodes_new_list/

However, if you have 6GB or more RAM, I think you should really try at least once to run the daemon and synch the blockchain. You'll be surprised how fast it finishes synching thanks to the lightweight PoW algorithm (although admittedly the tx volume is much smaller than Monero and the compute-heavy RingCT isn't activated yet).

Once the RAM requirement is decreased due to LMDB after the rebase, running the daemon should become feasible for most people.
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November 22, 2017, 04:14:45 AM
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Hello everybody.  
I'm interested in Aeon and would like to get a wallet going.  I have some Aeon sitting on Bittrex that I want to withdraw.
I've been into Monero since it launched in 2014.  I currently maintain two nodes.  One is on my laptop, the other is a VPS.  I use the cli wallet, not the gui.  So getting an Aeon wallet up and running shouldn't be too hard for me to do.
First question:  can you run the Aeon wallet by connecting to a remote node, so as to avoid having to sync the blockchain?


Yes you can: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/73829j/public_nodes_new_list/

However, if you have 6GB or more RAM, I think you should really try at least once to run the daemon and synch the blockchain. You'll be surprised how fast it finishes synching thanks to the lightweight PoW algorithm (although admittedly the tx volume is much smaller than Monero and the compute-heavy RingCT isn't activated yet).

Once the RAM requirement is decreased due to LMDB after the rebase, running the daemon should become feasible for most people.
I didn't know aeon was so different from Monero.  No LMDB?
Anyway, I compiled it and started the daemon.  It started syncing.
I opened simplewallet and tried restore-deterministic-wallet using a mnemonic seed that was generated with the monero wallet generator code and works in Monero (I tested it).  I'm using a recent version of the generator that's specifically says it works with aeon.  Simplewallet doesn't recognize the mnemonic seed.

Edit:  I generated a wallet in simplewallet and copied down the seed.  It has words that aren't on the Monero wordlist:
github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h
Of the 24 words in the mnemonic generated by simplewallet, only two were on that list.
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November 22, 2017, 05:16:13 AM
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I didn't know aeon was so different from Monero.  No LMDB?

Aeon forked from Monero on June 2014, only two months after Monero started. The codebase seems to have been largely unchanged since then except for security fixes and a few smaller changes from upstream.

(EDIT: Of course Aeon has had its own unique changes such as the PoW change and pruning.)

I opened simplewallet and tried restore-deterministic-wallet using a mnemonic seed that was generated with the monero wallet generator code and works in Monero (I tested it).  I'm using a recent version of the generator that's specifically says it works with aeon.  Simplewallet doesn't recognize the mnemonic seed.

Edit:  I generated a wallet in simplewallet and copied down the seed.  It has words that aren't on the Monero wordlist:
github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h
Of the 24 words in the mnemonic generated by simplewallet, only two were on that list.

You'd better not mix seed words for Monero and Aeon. Aeon's word list originates from Monero's old word list which is now deprecated IIUIC:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english_old.h

I think Monero switched to a set of new word lists to support internationalization on October 2014:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/162
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November 22, 2017, 08:21:51 AM
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I didn't know aeon was so different from Monero.  No LMDB?

Aeon forked from Monero on June 2014, only two months after Monero started. The codebase seems to have been largely unchanged since then except for security fixes and a few smaller changes from upstream.

(EDIT: Of course Aeon has had its own unique changes such as the PoW change and pruning.)

I opened simplewallet and tried restore-deterministic-wallet using a mnemonic seed that was generated with the monero wallet generator code and works in Monero (I tested it).  I'm using a recent version of the generator that's specifically says it works with aeon.  Simplewallet doesn't recognize the mnemonic seed.

Edit:  I generated a wallet in simplewallet and copied down the seed.  It has words that aren't on the Monero wordlist:
github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h
Of the 24 words in the mnemonic generated by simplewallet, only two were on that list.

You'd better not mix seed words for Monero and Aeon. Aeon's word list originates from Monero's old word list which is now deprecated IIUIC:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english_old.h

I think Monero switched to a set of new word lists to support internationalization on October 2014:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/162
So is there any real advantage AEON has compared to Monero. Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block? Or am I wrong?
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November 22, 2017, 09:48:14 AM
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I didn't know aeon was so different from Monero.  No LMDB?

Aeon forked from Monero on June 2014, only two months after Monero started. The codebase seems to have been largely unchanged since then except for security fixes and a few smaller changes from upstream.

(EDIT: Of course Aeon has had its own unique changes such as the PoW change and pruning.)

I opened simplewallet and tried restore-deterministic-wallet using a mnemonic seed that was generated with the monero wallet generator code and works in Monero (I tested it).  I'm using a recent version of the generator that's specifically says it works with aeon.  Simplewallet doesn't recognize the mnemonic seed.

Edit:  I generated a wallet in simplewallet and copied down the seed.  It has words that aren't on the Monero wordlist:
github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h
Of the 24 words in the mnemonic generated by simplewallet, only two were on that list.

You'd better not mix seed words for Monero and Aeon. Aeon's word list originates from Monero's old word list which is now deprecated IIUIC:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english_old.h

I think Monero switched to a set of new word lists to support internationalization on October 2014:
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/162
So is there any real advantage AEON has compared to Monero. Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block? Or am I wrong?

https://www.hiddenjadestone.com/2017/10/04/aeon/pros-cons-cryptonight-light-cryptonight/

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What are the pros and cons of Cryptonight-light to Cryptonight?

Smooth:

The main advantage is better utilization on lower end CPUs that often have only 1 MB of cache per core or HW thread. This matters for mining (meaning those lower end CPUs can be competitive, while with regular Cryptonight they are not) but also matters for processing block headers/verification. Cumulatively the 2x speed improvement in iterations, a hypothetical (but common) 2x or more speed improvement in utilization, and a 2x improvement from reducing our block time to 4 minutes from 2 minute in Monero, we are looking at an 8x or more improvement in header verification.

Memory-bound algorithms with massive scratchpads (GB) can argue that they are “too big” for ASICs (or equivalently that most of the ASIC cost would be memory which is already well-optimized) but even regular Cryptonight doesn’t do that. 2 MB isn’t all that different from 1 MB and neither is that major of an obstacle. The obstacle is radically improving on the already-optimized cache memory and already-optimized ASIC-like AES and large multiply instructions in CPUs. There are several opportunities for theoretical gains but the appear vastly more limited in magnitude than something like SHA256, and still have to compete against CPUs in economies of scale and staying current with process.
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November 22, 2017, 02:40:18 PM
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In the past, with bitcoin legacy addresses, today, with bitcoin HD wallets, likewise with Monero wallets, my practice is always and has always been to generate my addresses and keys using a long nonsense phrase as input to a utility such as the moneroaddress.org code or the bitaddress.org code. 

Is there no such tool available for Aeon?
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November 22, 2017, 02:55:02 PM
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In the past, with bitcoin legacy addresses, today, with bitcoin HD wallets, likewise with Monero wallets, my practice is always and has always been to generate my addresses and keys using a long nonsense phrase as input to a utility such as the moneroaddress.org code or the bitaddress.org code. 

Is there no such tool available for Aeon?


https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

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November 22, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
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Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block?

Yes that is correct.
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November 22, 2017, 05:13:00 PM
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Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block?

Yes that is correct.


Smooth, what are your expectations for the future of AEON. Could you beat Monero in price and popularity? What do you think?

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November 23, 2017, 03:39:12 AM
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Great Chart Gallery of Aeon on BitScreener: https://bitscreener.com/coins/aeon/chart_gallery

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November 23, 2017, 07:22:50 AM
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Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block?

Yes that is correct.


Smooth, what are your expectations for the future of AEON. Could you beat Monero in price and popularity? What do you think?



Monero and Aeon dont have the same niche. Its not like they are in a competition.

Its too early for price speculations. Your question will be only more relevant probably in 3-5 years for aeon.

Also its can "we" not "you" since its community project;)
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November 23, 2017, 09:22:13 AM
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Will there be any signature bounty for AEON? I am really excited about AEON and heavily invest. Would feel good to enter a signature campaign for spreading the word about AEON.
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November 23, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
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Will there be any signature bounty for AEON? I am really excited about AEON and heavily invest. Would feel good to enter a signature campaign for spreading the word about AEON.

Personally dont think its necessary to have a signature bounty for aeon. if you support the tech you will have signature for free. aeon is not an ico that rides on hype. funds can be used more wise than that.

but im not from aeon core dev team so thats only my opinion
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November 23, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
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Wasn't it that AEON only allows one zero mix transaction per block?

Yes that is correct.


Smooth, what are your expectations for the future of AEON. Could you beat Monero in price and popularity? What do you think?



Monero and Aeon dont have the same niche. Its not like they are in a competition.

Its too early for price speculations. Your question will be only more relevant probably in 3-5 years for aeon.

Also its can "we" not "you" since its community project;)
Just my two sats

Oh yeah, sorry, I should have told our community.
Thanks for correcting me.
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November 23, 2017, 09:45:14 PM
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My question is related to the rabbit, which is dealing with RuffCT.
Maybe we should do something like that, too.
Only my opinion.  Smiley
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November 27, 2017, 02:03:29 AM
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Good coin but with little to no updates from developers. I see smooth is very active on Monero but not Aeon on reddit Sad

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November 27, 2017, 02:20:44 AM
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@clip123. You should have more faith in smooth. If I remember correctly, many people in this community also doubted his and others' work in Monero. But try to look where it is now. XMR has become one of the best, if not, the best anonymous cryptcoin in the world.

The code rebase will come in time. Be patient.

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