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June 18, 2014, 09:35:39 AM
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Yep, BC next writes the code, and decides not to put in 1 + (5%) bitcoin in his creation, after making a claim that he would eat his hat if the coins wasn;t worth alot of money within 6 months Roll Eyes
how do we know that he doesn;t own 30 % +?Huh
we don't
this is at least transparent

How do you know Utopian doesn't own 1500 of 2800 stakes? Arguments without evidence are not arguments.  There is no evidence that BCNext put 1 BTC, but even if he did,so what? Everyone was free to put 1 BTC. There were no special rules for the developer. Everyone was free to use sock puppets (if there are any).  Everything was distributed equally to stakeholders who put BTC, with zero development stake, and IPO was open for 2 months. Everything was transparent as anyone can check original thread, and the nxt blockchain and the blochchain.info hashes to confirm everything.



some arguments don;t need evidence, if its logically so damn obvious

utopian owned 60 stakes i believe?? i think i read it somewhere

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June 18, 2014, 09:39:57 AM
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some arguments don;t need evidence, if its logically so god damn obvious

You actually made  a statement  that he might even own 30%, breaking his own rule on 1 BTC, just like Utopian, this isn't a logical argument but a speculation. How do you know Utopian does own 60%? You should get back to Nem topic because as far as I am concerned Nxt IPO was simple, with everything distributed to stakeholders, in an IPO that was open for 2 months, with no special stakes reserved for anyone, and same rules for everyone.  That's a public record on BTT forum as that original IPO thread still exists.

Now lets get back to Nem.  

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June 18, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
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some arguments don;t need evidence, if its logically so god damn obvious

You actually made  a statement that he owns 30%, breaking his own rule on 1 BTC, just like Utopian, this isn't a logical argument but a speculation. How do you know Utopian does own 60%? You should get back to Nem topic because as far as I am concerned Nxt IPO was simple, with everything distributed according to stakeholders, in an IPO that was open for 2 month, with no special stakes reserved for anyone. That's a public record on BTT forum as that original IPO thread still exists.  

great,
its obvious he put in atleast 1, i am not sure if he put more than one, that is speculation

i didn;t make a statement, i said

'how do we know he doesn;t own 30% +'
which actually isn;t a statement, its a question

and even if he didn;t break his own rule,
he might have gotten his mother, sister, brother, familly to put in one each, which means he wasn;t breaking  his rule
and to be honest that wouldn;t be a problem, as he wrote the code

but anyways,

i can;t be bothered to have a petty argument about something i don;t really care about,
just stop trolling the  NEM  thread
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June 18, 2014, 09:46:10 AM
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i can;t be bothered to have a petty argument about something i don;t really care about,
just stop trolling the  NEM  thread

How am I trolling? I am raising a legitimate question that if there are too many unclaimed stakes, Nem would be one of few coins like ripple with 50% or more coins either locked up or controlled by insiders.

How is that trolling?

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June 18, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
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i can;t be bothered to have a petty argument about something i don;t really care about,
just stop trolling the  NEM  thread

How am I trolling? I am raising a legitimate question that if there are too many unclaimed stakes, Nem would be one of few coins like ripple with 50% or more coins either locked up or controlled by insiders.

How is that trolling?

You DON'T know how many unclaimed stakes there will be, so it's just speculation.

Also you haven't answered to any of my posts, so I don't feel obliged anymore to answer yours.

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June 18, 2014, 09:57:22 AM
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What to do with unclaimed coins has not yet been decided. One proposal from a few weeks ago that UP made internally was that we use it for trying to get some full-time devs, but nothing is decided completely.

Why not just distribute the coins to all stakeholders equally?

There is plenty of coins left for development -- 10% is 400 million Nem plus all the BTC you will have with the auction and first  IPO?

Okay, I will help you out.

Proposal 1: distribute refunded stakes equally to all stakeholders (this has to be original stakeholders because it seems to complicated to do this with NXT assets I think?)
Pros: Easy to understand and all the original stakeholders benefit, not just a few (this is a good point!).
Cons: Doesn't allow new people to enter the community, sockpuppets will also benefit, and there will be less funding for pay for promotion and development, which will also hurt everyone.

Any other arguments that could be added?
Other proposals?

of course not to the stakeholder list.
You can just increase the coins per stake. simple math, simple distribution.

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June 18, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
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You DON'T know how many unclaimed stakes there will be, so it's just speculation.

No we don't, but there should a contingency plan now if the unclaimed stakes are too high.  My suggestion was to distribute them equally to stakeholders.

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Also you haven't answered to any of my posts, so I don't feel obliged anymore to answer yours.

Was there a direct question directed at me? Please repost it then.

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June 18, 2014, 10:11:17 AM
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I agree - that if there are too many unclaimed stakes, Nem would be one of few coins like ripple with 50% or more coins either locked up or controlled by insiders.  Undecided
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June 18, 2014, 10:13:03 AM
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Кто участвует в закрытом Alfa тестировании Nem? Запишите нам видео как идёт тестирование и загрузите его на YouTube? Это не трудно : (http://screencast-o-matic.com) - Start Recording.

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Who participates in closed Alfa Nem testing? Write down to us video as there is a testing and load it on YouTube? It isn't difficult : (http://screencast-o-matic.com) - Start Recording.
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June 18, 2014, 10:13:23 AM
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I like that comment! Good Idea!!!



You DON'T know how many unclaimed stakes there will be, so it's just speculation.

No we don't, but there should a contingency plan now if the unclaimed stakes are too high.  My suggestion was to distribute them equally to stakeholders.






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June 18, 2014, 10:46:48 AM
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Why everyone here talking about unclaimed stakes, NEM has even not launched for god sake!

That eadega guy spreading unnecessary FUD, i'm pretty sure that many people simply do not want sell their stakes at this point or claim tokens in NXT AE. At the moment prices per stake aint that much and many people are looking for long term opportunities, not just some pocket-money. IMO i never gonna sell my stake at bargain price and with alpha release so soon, people will Hold.

And for the record, im pretty sure that after the official launch we will see many so called sleepers here buzzling about their stakes.

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June 18, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
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"NEM has not even launched" is a false claim.

Total FUD.
U write like NEM is already launched. It is NOT.
 
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June 18, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
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Guys!
Explain to me - a novice user NEM.
As possible will participate in the alpha testing?
if I understand correctly - will be used in the alpha test coin.
how me can get them.
what test wallet?  how to open it?
.....
more -
way in which developers NEM inform me of the translation on my wallet NEM = my steak in beta.
It will be a message in my email or a message on my account BT,
or I'll have to send the hash,
or as something different?
......
I do not understand what i is supposed to do.
And please explain.
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June 18, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
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"NEM has not even launched" is a false claim.

Total FUD.
U write like NEM is already launched. It is NOT.
 

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NEM is not launched.
Nxt asset exchange is only a PRE-launch.

I think that the Launch happens, when the genesis block is created.
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June 18, 2014, 11:10:04 AM
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Distribute the unclaimed stakes among all stakeholders imo.
 This will increase the value of every stake including the devs. Its the only fair way to do it and will (should) make everyone happy.

                               
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June 18, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
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Guys!
Explain to me - a novice user NEM.
As possible will participate in the alpha testing?
if I understand correctly - will be used in the alpha test coin.
how me can get them.
what test wallet?  how to open it?
.....
more -
way in which developers NEM inform me of the translation on my wallet NEM = my steak in beta.
It will be a message in my email or a message on my account BT,
or I'll have to send the hash,
or as something different?
......
I do not understand what i is supposed to do.
And please explain.

You'll have to post special messege here on BTT, but calm down, we're far from that.

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June 18, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
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My points are pretty clear,. (...) Nxt was launched just 2 months after IPO and 25% of people never came back to claim their coins. Given much longer delay, this number could be even higher, but lets assume it's 25%



Why do you think 10% plus all the BTC isn't enough for future development? Nxt started with 21 BTC and unclaimed nxt equaled to 10 million ( which is only 1% of total nxt) .


What's wrong with you?
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June 18, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
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My points are pretty clear,. (...) Nxt was launched just 2 months after IPO and 25% of people never came back to claim their coins. Given much longer delay, this number could be even higher, but lets assume it's 25%



Why do you think 10% plus all the BTC isn't enough for future development? Nxt started with 21 BTC and unclaimed nxt equaled to 10 million ( which is only 1% of total nxt) .


What's wrong with you?


Nothing is wrong with me. Out of 100, 73 came back to claim their stake, so 25%+ never showed up. The second statement is correct too as those 25% had contributed BTC that were worth 1% of Nxt which was about 10 million Nxt. That doesn't change the fact that 25% of people never showed up to claim the coins. Since in Nem every stake is equal, if 25% don't show up that would be 750 million nem


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June 18, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
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Distribute the unclaimed stakes among all stakeholders imo.
 This will increase the value of every stake including the devs. Its the only fair way to do it and will (should) make everyone happy.

obvious and easy solution fits everybody

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My points are pretty clear,. (...) Nxt was launched just 2 months after IPO and 25% of people never came back to claim their coins. Given much longer delay, this number could be even higher, but lets assume it's 25%



Why do you think 10% plus all the BTC isn't enough for future development? Nxt started with 21 BTC and unclaimed nxt equaled to 10 million ( which is only 1% of total nxt) .


What's wrong with you?


Nothing is wrong with me. Out of 100, 73 came back to claim their stake, so 25%+ never showed up. The second statement is correct too as those 25% had contributed BTC that were worth 1% of Nxt which was about 10 million Nxt. That doesn't change the fact that 25% of people never showed up to claim the coins. Since in Nem every stake is equal, if 25% don't show up that would be 750 million nem



Yes that's what it WOULD be....emphasis on WOULD. We're not there yet. We've heard you and will address this.
Any more reason to put newcomers of with FUD ?

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