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June 18, 2014, 11:36:09 PM
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But some of your Nxt guys are disgusting.

Not as disgusting as yours amd TaunSew ranting about Nxt. This is Nem thread. Why can't you stick to that topic?


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June 18, 2014, 11:41:14 PM
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If this guy keeps his stake and trello position then it only looks bad for NEM.  

I don't think it's as bad as what UF did with trolling with sock puppets Wink You cannot take away anyone "stakes" unless they are sock puppets.

Sorry to disappoint you Smiley


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June 18, 2014, 11:51:56 PM
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how much is 1 NEM stake worth on the NXT AE at the moment? thanks

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June 18, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
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But some of your Nxt guys are disgusting.
Not as disgusting as yours amd TaunSew ranting about Nxt. This is Nem thread. Why can't stick to that topic?

As I said I only bought NxT up as a point of comparison to your demand. It is a normal discussion technique. While all comparison I made about NxT's IPO, big holder holding percentage etc. are factual and reasonable, you vehemently defended NxT, accused me of lying. You did all of that with no regard to how these discussions relate to NEM. That's not sticking to the topic.

For example: fact 1: 8 Nxt big holders out of genesis block holding 40% of Nxt. Relating point: it is fair and very reasonable that 8 NEM core developers and multiple other developers and helpers sharing 25% of NEM. I just made a very simple point. How is that not relevant ?

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June 18, 2014, 11:58:40 PM
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As I said I only bought NxT up as a point of comparison to your demand. It is a normal discussion technique. While all comparison I made about NxT's IPO, big holder holding percentage etc. are factual and reasonable, you vehemently defended NxT, accused me of lying. You did all of that with no regard to how these discussions relate to NEM. That's not sticking to the topic.

You made a factual statement that all Nxt developers hold 5% each. This was factually untrue. Only CfB was original stake holder and a developer (not 5% one). Jean Luc was an investor who became "developer" later - -much later -- after the launch. It's not clear if he owns 5% as you claimed.  No other Nxt developer is original stake holder and none of them hold 5% of Nxt


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June 19, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
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As I said I only bought NxT up as a point of comparison to your demand. It is a normal discussion technique. While all comparison I made about NxT's IPO, big holder holding percentage etc. are factual and reasonable, you vehemently defended NxT, accused me of lying. You did all of that with no regard to how these discussions relate to NEM. That's not sticking to the topic.

You made a factual statement that all Nxt developers hold 5% each. This was factual untrue. Only CfB was original stake holder and a developer (not 5% one). Jean Luc was an investor who became "developer" later. No other Nxt developer is a original stake holder and none of them hold 5% of Nxt


Show the quote? You are accusing me of writing something I did not again. This is not the first time you did that.

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June 19, 2014, 12:09:50 AM
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As I said I only bought NxT up as a point of comparison to your demand. It is a normal discussion technique. While all comparison I made about NxT's IPO, big holder holding percentage etc. are factual and reasonable, you vehemently defended NxT, accused me of lying. You did all of that with no regard to how these discussions relate to NEM. That's not sticking to the topic.

You made a factual statement that all Nxt developers hold 5% each. This was factual untrue. Only CfB was original stake holder and a developer (not 5% one). Jean Luc was an investor who became "developer" later. No other Nxt developer is a original stake holder and none of them hold 5% of Nxt


Show the quote? You are accusing me of writing something I did not again. This is not the first time you did that.

I went back and I see you actually said " JeanLuc and several Nxt whales holding 5% of Nxt each". I read  "whales" as "developers".

Sorry about that.

There are only 2 who hold 5% each (JC is not one of them unless he spilt his account), and no I don't have a problem with that, just as I don't have a problem with satoshi holding 10% of BTC. They invested 1 BTC  in an unknown IPO when such a thing wasn't common on BT forum  and got lucky it wasn't a scam and prices went up.


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June 19, 2014, 12:50:21 AM
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I have been on the sidelines for a while, just came back to catch up with NEM, so much has changed...

I requested my stake from patmast3r is he still distributing these?

I want to spread the word about NEM with a local Bitcoin club that I take part in. I am trying to figure out a way to get them interested.

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June 19, 2014, 01:05:53 AM
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As I said I only bought NxT up as a point of comparison to your demand. It is a normal discussion technique. While all comparison I made about NxT's IPO, big holder holding percentage etc. are factual and reasonable, you vehemently defended NxT, accused me of lying. You did all of that with no regard to how these discussions relate to NEM. That's not sticking to the topic.

You made a factual statement that all Nxt developers hold 5% each. This was factual untrue. Only CfB was original stake holder and a developer (not 5% one). Jean Luc was an investor who became "developer" later. No other Nxt developer is a original stake holder and none of them hold 5% of Nxt


Show the quote? You are accusing me of writing something I did not again. This is not the first time you did that.

I went back and I see you actually said " JeanLuc and several Nxt whales holding 5% of Nxt each". I read  "whales" as "developers".

Sorry about that.

There are only 2 who hold 5% each (JC is not one of them unless he spilt his account), and no I don't have a problem with that, just as I don't have a problem with satoshi holding 10% of BTC. They invested 1 BTC  in an unknown IPO when such a thing wasn't common on BT forum  and got lucky it wasn't a scam and prices went up.


Let's move on.

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June 19, 2014, 01:40:03 AM
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I have been on the sidelines for a while, just came back to catch up with NEM, so much has changed...

I requested my stake from patmast3r is he still distributing these?

I want to spread the word about NEM with a local Bitcoin club that I take part in. I am trying to figure out a way to get them interested.

He is still distributing them.

Taken from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650505

When there is a minimum of 100 requests, Patmast3r will officially issue the token and send them to your accounts. Asset Ticker and Issuer account will be announced later when the tokens are issued. Thanks.

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June 19, 2014, 01:45:39 AM
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+1 crackerhead

NEM to the stars.

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June 19, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
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Jaguar0625, I want to say I don't have any problem with 25% development stakes. You guys absolutely deserve it, and all the money raised during the IPO. Far more than UF for example.

I just don't to this to overboard with there are very large amount of unclaimed stakes.



You do raise a good point about how we should handle unclaimed stakes. We had assumed that the number would be much less than 25%, but we do need a contingency plan in case there are that money (or more). We're busy putting the finishing touches on the alpha, so it might take a few days before we come to a decision, but we are discussing it.

And I would seriously consider using the excess war chest, if any, for slow diffusion in marketing and promotion. And it would do good if we just concentrate on putting our efforts to it rather than bickering on some conjecture.

There is more than meets the eye when it comes to making our project successful. Marketing and Promotion is one big task among many. Besides, nobody in the core team is suggesting that the excess is going into their pockets.

I think we should just get on with making this a success and do the necessary as we cross the many bridges ahead.

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June 19, 2014, 03:32:47 AM
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I think it's an important conversation.  NEM could have this 2800 or 3000 stakeholders, but if only 2700 bother to claim their stakes then, in reality five months from now, people would only say it is 2700 initial stakeholders.

The number 2700 and 3000 is a insubstantial difference in distribution but a number of "3000" is better from an image point of review.  3000 is a nice round convenient number and the number "3" happens to be a lucky number in many cultures.  Having some obscure number like "2749" is off-putting and mechanical.

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June 19, 2014, 03:51:22 AM
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Hi,

I just read the announcement and I need this paragraph clarified:

At the same breath, we would like to advise that for those of you who are eligible for the NEM coins, please take care of your BTT accounts. Please do not spam, post addresses or expose your transaction TX-IDs such that your accounts get banned. Your account is key to your claim later.

What is meant by our BTT accounts? Is that Bitcointalk.org?

Thanks very much for the personal message containing this announcement.

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June 19, 2014, 03:52:42 AM
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Hi,

I just read the announcement and I need this paragraph clarified:

At the same breath, we would like to advise that for those of you who are eligible for the NEM coins, please take care of your BTT accounts. Please do not spam, post addresses or expose your transaction TX-IDs such that your accounts get banned. Your account is key to your claim later.

What is meant by our BTT accounts? Is that Bitcointalk.org?

Thanks very much for the personal message containing this announcement.

Yes, that is referring to your Bitcointalk.org account.

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June 19, 2014, 04:59:15 AM
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Yep, BC next writes the code, and decides not to put in 1 + (5%) bitcoin in his creation, after making a claim that he would eat his hat if the coins wasn;t worth alot of money within 6 months Roll Eyes
how do we know that he doesn;t own 30 % +?Huh
we don't
this is at least transparent

How do you know Utopian doesn't own 1500 of 2800 stakes? Arguments without evidence are not arguments.  There is no evidence that BCNext put 1 BTC, but even if he did,so what? Everyone was free to put 1 BTC. There were no special rules for the developer. Everyone was free to use sock puppets (if there are any).  Everything was distributed equally to stakeholders who put BTC, with zero development stake, and IPO was open for 2 months. Everything was transparent as anyone can check original thread, and the nxt blockchain and the blochchain.info hashes to confirm everything.



some arguments don;t need evidence, if its logically so damn obvious

utopian owned 60 stakes i believe?? i think i read it somewhere



I never heard that UP had as many as 60 stakes. I DID hear that almost all of his stakes are now gone after the taint analysis.

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June 19, 2014, 05:06:18 AM
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There are three choices for "unclaimed coins ":

1. Distribute proportionally to all current stakeholders.

2. Destroy all the coin.

3. Form a community committee to manage the coins aka Nxt's committee style.

I am for 3. Nxt's committee has been very effective. Choice 3 gives an incentive for NEMsters to do good things for NEM.  Grin

Committee is the way to go if we want to increase the value of NEM and not just enrich original stakeholders. It is important to think about the future.

However, I don't think we will see even 100 unclaimed stakes afterwards. This isn't NXT. I don't see any need to compare ourselves to another coin.

After the alpha launch, we will try to reach a consensus as to what is best to do.

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June 19, 2014, 05:41:56 AM
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I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.
I've got a better idea purchase one of these for the Dev's to share


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That green is really great, btw!

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June 19, 2014, 05:44:06 AM
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I think it's an important conversation.  NEM could have this 2800 or 3000 stakeholders, but if only 2700 bother to claim their stakes then, in reality five months from now, people would only say it is 2700 initial stakeholders.

The number 2700 and 3000 is a insubstantial difference in distribution but a number of "3000" is better from an image point of review.  3000 is a nice round convenient number and the number "3" happens to be a lucky number in many cultures.  Having some obscure number like "2749" is off-putting and mechanical.

I think 3000 is a nice number and we should try to achieve that if possible. A larger community will mean that NEM will grow much faster than other coins have in the past, too.

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June 19, 2014, 05:46:48 AM
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I would like to remind you that this is not a fight between NEM and Nxt so stop acting as such.

If you can help advance the discussion good, if not it would be probably better to refrain from making irrelevant comments.

NEM is about overcoming the OLD economy by building a NEW economy, based on:

- financial freedom
- decentralization
- equality of opportunity

We are fighting the corrupt political and banking systems of the world, not NXT. NXT is our ally, if anything.

Full disclosure: I own some NXT.

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