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[Gogo ppp]

Cloudbet showing signs of having lost money - reportedly offering worse odds and lower limits.

They've definitely cut some sports and options including NHL totals  lines and puck lines.

And the usual complaints of withdrawal/deposit problems with no/unhelpful cs response.



Even a deposit taking over 24 hours to be credited:


"Could you send us an email please? Be sure to include your transaction hash. We'll look into it immediately."

Cheers,
Cloudbet
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skathan - "I have send the transaction hash and screenshots where it is obvious that the deposited money wasn't credited, the support before that was certain the amount was credited but the screenshots and a look at my account proved wrong. The support apologized for their mistake and the technical was going to look further in to it.

I don't know how this is even possible to have this problem. I'm still waiting for over 24 hours to be credited the deposit to  my account."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.2680

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[Gogo ppp]

Betcoin consistently exposed.

This re: Betcoin Poker -

DarkDays - "The problem people like you should be having is if Betcoin has screwed so many of it's members out of so many coins and have acted so shady and disrespectful in so many circumstances...doesn't it stand to reason that it'll happen to you as well?  Seriously, every long term player has had problems with them where they have no payed, slow payed, lied, ignored, ect.  The only people playing there today that were playing there 6 months ago are the people on the payroll or the people so broke that they have to beg for $5 stakes every day.

Also, anyone with half a brain has to admit that when multiple people publicly discuss how a site has lied/cheated it's players, the site says nothing, yet random 0 day old accounts show up to attack the people providing the proof...that's odd.  That isn't the action of a site who has the player's long term best interests in mind."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.4000

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I forget if I posted on the hack and/or if Twitchy posted on it here, so:

It's obvious that Betcoin was hacked and player info obtained - at the least names and email addresses.

Betcoin handled this in their typical highly professional manner - by lying and pretending it never happened.

Then they've come up with a new email verification system with a link to click on to verify it's really from Betcoin.
Once the Russian hacking community stops laughing, there will be trojans with malware galore put into false links.


A lot on the hack in Twitchy's and others posts in the thread at the link above.


The management of Betcoin are incompetent, stupid, and habitual liars, who clearly enjoy jerking people around rather than trying to solve problems and satisfy customers.
They demonstrate this constantly.

They have some positive comments being posted simply because they openly have a promotion paying posters to make positive posts about them.

[adrarbilal]

directbet.com 5/5
directbet.com is It is the coolest site I have known in my life

All sports. live
Even the possibility of playing in the final minutes
it's great

[adrarbilal]

Payment after the end of the game directly. It's fast site
Greetings to the owner of the site. And workers

[Gogo ppp]

I just posted this at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.new#new in BetcoinPoker's thread:

Gogo ppp
Hero Member
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Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker
Today at 05:28:53 PM
   

Quote from: Bobsurplus on Today at 04:00:19 PM
"Waiting over 22 hours for my btc withdrawal.
Why does it take so long?"






Somebody stated in another post I read today that for a withdrawal over 1 btc, Betcoin has to take it from a cold wallet, and they review play.

One btc at the minute is worth ~ 373 USD.


So for withdrawals of 374 and higher USD, the funds are not available in a hot wallet.
And play is reviewed.


anchordraw:

"pokerscout says this site has a 7 day average of 28 players, with a 24hr peak of 50.

how are they making enough money to stay open?"

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore




The fact that Betcoin doesn't have $374 available in a hot wallet for withdrawal, but has to withdraw from a cold wallet into their hot wallet for payout, plus that they review play for every withdrawal of that amount or more, shows the accuracy of anchordraw's "...7 day average of 28 players..." and these players are obviously playing for microstakes if $374 is a large withdrawal.

Plus it shows that they are undercapitalized - to put it mildly. How can they have less than $374 in their hot wallet for payouts (if the post stating that is accurate)?


A business with any real traffic does not have the time to review play for withdrawals of $374, nor the time to make cold wallet to hot wallet transfers for such a tiny sum.


Anybody considering playing here for poker/sports/casino owes it to themself to read the pokerfraudalert linked to above.
Or at least read "Dan Druff"s comments in it which I've posted in this thread - Post #1729.

[Rating Place]

I'm happy that gogo is posting all problems, even in the poker room, so that we all have information on the various books. For the purposes of ratings, as has been stated before, only the sportsbook side of a book is considered in the ratings.

Betcoin.ag is currently making payments on the sportsbook side with no problems as far as I know and from what I have read. This is why the rating is unchanged.

[sbrzol]

Fairlay can cancel your bet at anytime.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg13814311#msg13814311

They have 2 types of customers:   the so called market makers and the simple users.
If a market maker makes an error ( on copying pinnacle lines/prices) then fairlay will cancel those matched bet.
If you, as a simple user, make an error (offer swapped prices) then your matched bet never will be cancelled.

But you will never know that the price you bet on were offer by a market maker or a simple user.

I am sure that the so called market maker is fairlay itself.  They (re)place all matched bets on pinnacle sports to "cover" their  bets .
Earlier i saw this, when i placed a bet on fairlay (at low stake limit) then the pinnacle odds on the same market immediately changed, as if  i placed my bet on pinnacle directly.


Fairlay bugs :

"If you place bets on both side (lay, back) on the same market that is unmatched then fairly subtract both amount (back amount and lay liability) from your account. "
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg12679065#msg12679065


bet fully partially matched bug :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg13530525;topicseen#msg13530525

[Rating Place]

Fairlay can cancel your bet at anytime.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg13814311#msg13814311

They have 2 types of customers:   the so called market makers and the simple users.
If a market maker makes an error ( on copying pinnacle lines/prices) then fairlay will cancel those matched bet.
If you, as a simple user, make an error (offer swapped prices) then your matched bet never will be cancelled.

But you will never know that the price you bet on were offer by a market maker or a simple user.

I am sure that the so called market maker is fairlay itself.  They (re)place all matched bets on pinnacle sports to "cover" their  bets .
Earlier i saw this, when i placed a bet on fairlay (at low stake limit) then the pinnacle odds on the same market immediately changed, as if  i placed my bet on pinnacle directly.


Fairlay bugs :

"If you place bets on both side (lay, back) on the same market that is unmatched then fairly subtract both amount (back amount and lay liability) from your account. "
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg12679065#msg12679065


bet fully partially matched bug :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg13530525;topicseen#msg13530525

It's dangerous if Fairlay seeds the market and then has the ability to cancel in game or post game. That's not a true exchange. I would guess that only a small percentage of the wagers are player vs. player.

[Rating Place]

sbrzol- When you placed the bet at Fairlay that moved the line at Pinny, what market was that? I'm not playing any overnights or small markets where it's easy to move the line to check what's going on at Fairlay.

[sbrzol]

sbrzol- When you placed the bet at Fairlay that moved the line at Pinny, what market was that? I'm not playing any overnights or small markets where it's easy to move the line to check.

I think it was handball,  you can move the price with 100-200 EUR  (if the stake limit is only 100-300 EUR )

Here everybody can check that there is only a few  bettor at fairlay.   The first one is probably fairlay itself the so called market maker.  
https://www.fairlay.com/highscore/


In the long-term everybody has negative roi at pinnacle who plays on dropping odds or sharp lines , so i can understand fairlay/nitrogen/betcoinag goal to take a bite from the cake. (by using pinnacle markets and lines)

Probably fairlay satisfied with their income so they stopped developing/(bug)fixing their site.

[Rating Place]

sbrzol- When you placed the bet at Fairlay that moved the line at Pinny, what market was that? I'm not playing any overnights or small markets where it's easy to move the line to check.

I think it was handball,  you can move the price with 100-200 EUR  (if the stake limit is only 100-300 EUR )

Here everybody can check that there is only a few  bettor at fairlay.   The first one is probably fairlay itself the so called market maker.  
https://www.fairlay.com/highscore/


In the long-term everybody has negative roi at pinnacle who plays on dropping odds or sharp lines , so i can understand fairlay/nitrogen/betcoinag goal to take a bite from the cake. (by using pinnacle markets and lines)

Probably fairlay satisfied with their income so they stopped developing/(bug)fixing their site.

They have 38 users that played in the last 7 days?

[NooBtc]

Very new here and excellent reviews PeepsPlace and a good service you provide.  It's really unfortunate to see some of these people making moronic comments about sites like Cloudbet, Nitrogen, Betcoin when even someone new can see it's always the same 2-3 people and these companies have been in business since 2013 and are highly rated on your review.  I have played at all three and enjoyed the experience on each tremendously.  Each of them had quick deposit, great customer experience and a fast withdrawal.  I wish them the best. 

[Gogo ppp]

Very new here and excellent reviews PeepsPlace and a good service you provide.  It's really unfortunate to see some of these people making moronic comments about sites like Cloudbet, Nitrogen, Betcoin when even someone new can see it's always the same 2-3 people and these companies have been in business since 2013 and are highly rated on your review.  I have played at all three and enjoyed the experience on each tremendously.  Each of them had quick deposit, great customer experience and a fast withdrawal.  I wish them the best.  

Always nice to hear from Betcoin, thanks for posting.




Member for 2 days.
8 posts, all of them praising Betcoin and/or knocking people who criticize Betcoin.

Not a total moron so also includes Cloudbet and Nitrogen (is anyone criticizing Nitrogen consistently?) to not seem so obvious in this post.


All the other posts praising Betcoin.


One more reason to avoid this sham company.

[acegilz]

Very new here and excellent reviews PeepsPlace and a good service you provide.  It's really unfortunate to see some of these people making moronic comments about sites like Cloudbet, Nitrogen, Betcoin when even someone new can see it's always the same 2-3 people and these companies have been in business since 2013 and are highly rated on your review.  I have played at all three and enjoyed the experience on each tremendously.  Each of them had quick deposit, great customer experience and a fast withdrawal.  I wish them the best.  

Always nice to hear from Betcoin.

Member for 2 days.
8 posts, all of them praising Betcoin and/or knocking people who criticize Betcoin.

Not a total moron so also includes Cloudbet and Nitrogen (is anyone criticizing Nitrogen consistently?) to not seem so obvious in this post.

All the other posts praising Betcoin also.

Betcoin and Directbet have an army of newbies spammers on this board, you have to be very blind to not notice it, everything is paid

[Gogo ppp]

Very new here and excellent reviews PeepsPlace and a good service you provide.  It's really unfortunate to see some of these people making moronic comments about sites like Cloudbet, Nitrogen, Betcoin when even someone new can see it's always the same 2-3 people and these companies have been in business since 2013 and are highly rated on your review.  I have played at all three and enjoyed the experience on each tremendously.  Each of them had quick deposit, great customer experience and a fast withdrawal.  I wish them the best.  

Always nice to hear from Betcoin.

Member for 2 days.
8 posts, all of them praising Betcoin and/or knocking people who criticize Betcoin.

Not a total moron so also includes Cloudbet and Nitrogen (is anyone criticizing Nitrogen consistently?) to not seem so obvious in this post.

All the other posts praising Betcoin also.

Betcoin and Directbet have an army of newbies spammers on this board, you have to be very blind to not notice it, everything is paid

As I've mentioned in a few recent posts, Betcoin is openly offering payments for making positive posts about them.

[TwitchySeal]

I think its likely that the person behind "NooBtc" is the same Betcoin.ag manager that goes by Betcoin Jessica and also posts using the account "ftwbtc" ( you can see some of the reasons i think hes a shill here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13658462#msg13658462 )

Very similar passive aggressive attitude, language etc

"Its so interesting how passionate twitchyseal is about Betcoin, but he's obviously crazy because betcoin is such a great site and its getting better and better every day"

I might go through post historys/pms eventually to make a stronger case, kind of pain in ass to do thoguh.

[Rating Place]

Any praises or complaints on withdrawals subsequent to the Super Bowl for sportsbooks?

[NooBtc]

It's like a troll gang in here.  What's odd is I am playing poker right now on Betcoin and there is some pretty good action here right now.  Clearly I am not the only one that enjoys playing on Betcoin.  Far more than other strictly bitcoin poker sites.  Troll away fellas and peeps I don't know how you do it! 

[Gogo ppp]

It's like a troll gang in here.  What's odd is I am playing poker right now on Betcoin and there is some pretty good action here right now.  Clearly I am not the only one that enjoys playing on Betcoin.  Far more than other strictly bitcoin poker sites.  Troll away fellas and peeps I don't know how you do it!  

Yes NooBtc/Betcoin Jessica/ftwbtc, I'm sure there is great action at a site which has to review play when a player wants to withdraw $374 USD, and a site which can't cover that amount without dipping into a cold wallet.


anchordraw:

"pokerscout says this site has a 7 day average of 28 players, with a 24hr peak of 50.

how are they making enough money to stay open?"

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore


The answer to anchordraw's question is they aren't making enough to stay open, so they're paying people to make positive comments and they themselves are making these shilling posts daily, desperate to attract some business.

[Gogo ppp]

I'm happy that gogo is posting all problems, even in the poker room, so that we all have information on the various books. For the purposes of ratings, as has been stated before, only the sportsbook side of a book is considered in the ratings.

Betcoin.ag is currently making payments on the sportsbook side with no problems as far as I know and from what I have read. This is why the rating is unchanged.

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Is anyone who bets using their sportsbook?



I have a feeling they have about as many customers as BetVIP had (almost none).