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August 02, 2017, 11:15:11 AM
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Listen up, Astargath!
You are posting but not doing research, that is not how these discussions work! Do your homework before you claim to know something, otherwise you are only promoting an opinion, I will now show you why your opinion is unreasonable by proving that your claims are unreliable.

Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.

You gave me no reference to the specific tests so you did not even bother to do any work to make sure your opinion about these tests was accurate. You did not conduct a scientific criticism so I will naturally reject your unfounded claims about this phenomenon.
How is it that a mentalist can produce such a distinct and obviously mysterious illusion that also has a unique signature on the EEG? You don't have a clue about how your simple explanation applies in practice? How is Occam's Razor supposed to explain a phenomenon like that without TK? Why is it that the "fake/fraud/illusion" explanation quickly falls apart when faced with having to explain the mountains of evidence already posted here?

40 cases: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml
EEG of telekinesis in action: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Find the telekinesis video on your own: http://googl.com/#q=telekinesis+superhumans

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?

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August 02, 2017, 12:50:41 PM
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Like mineral + mercury = gold.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

By the fruits you will know them. And the fruits of mandarins stinks... its rotten. Its bad for you. Its absurdaly wrong.

Chemistry that is based on puritans research is as well numerical. Every atom is enumerated and every particle is enumerated with enumerated atoms. And that makes sense, and have uses. Not enumerated mathematic neither have uses neither sense, as we can see in the case of alchemy.

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The origin of algebra is from "theory of balance in nature" from al jabir.

And the arabs have so advanced society... No they don't. And the fruits of their life are rotten. I will abstain from reading it.

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It can only come from rigorous monotheist mind.

Yes. The one that abstained from alcoholic beverages to stone themselves with opioids. So much rigorous and logical behaviour.

For me it looks like:

Leprehauns + unicorns = baalance in cabaala ballblalala.

Scientific statement or a joke? There is no balance, there is no equality. Its bullshit language. There is only numerical equity and balance on some scale. The world is not a scale. mmmk? Those are just words. And only applicable to numbers and scales.

The world is only a scale if you deliberatly want for it to look like that. I fail to see a world as a scale ok? How to measure my life on that scale? Could you do that?

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August 02, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
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Like mineral + mercury = gold.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

It's actually about proving god with science and most people here are talking about something else for some reason.

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August 02, 2017, 12:57:20 PM
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Like mineral + mercury = gold.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

It's actually about proving god with science and most people here are talking about something else for some reason.

Well... Cabala is somewhat related to the God, not that I know of, but they claim it is. Its not scientific tho - so I don't know if it fits. And they - some people that have enough of time and a too little problems, are implying that Cabala is science.... Well... No, it is not.

Well... cabalist almost proves that Satan exist lol. By the same fact of them doing the sophistry. They are like their father - the greatest sophist ever existed. And that God have none of his and he has none of God.

God is simple. Science is simple. Thats a connection one should find that if one leads to the other you are on a right track. And the puritans were on the right track.

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August 02, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
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In the book has been explained that God is there and God is only one.
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August 02, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
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In the book has been explained that God is there and God is only one.
You believe everything that is written in the books? Then you have a wonderful book of fairy tales by Hans Christian Andersen. You will have a fabulous life if you believe everything that is written there. The Bible is the same collection of fairy tales, only larger.

 
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August 02, 2017, 02:21:51 PM
Last edit: August 02, 2017, 02:41:41 PM by Przemax
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In the book has been explained that God is there and God is only one.
You believe everything that is written in the books? Then you have a wonderful book of fairy tales by Hans Christian Andersen. You will have a fabulous life if you believe everything that is written there. The Bible is the same collection of fairy tales, only larger.

God will have the last laugh here.

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

Not that Im on to something but don't be too hasty to judge others. He might be a fool, but the wisdom of the wise shall be destroyed.

One of the proof of the God existance is that the moon calendar is always observably true. There are always 4 sabaths and one and a half of new moon feasting every moon time. And after the six years there should be a seventh sabath year that fixes the periods of the years. Its more accurate than the sun calendar we are using today.

It does not prove the God existance per se. But it proves its accurate astronomicly. And proves Bible is accurate and still valid in our modern times of scepticism.

Another one is that the original four rivers could be traced with their origin on the mount Ararat and those are in the middle east and are giving the origin to the three oceans and one middle terraneum sea that is considered to be the Eufrates. Thats just a theory that states that those rivers of garden of eden contains all waters of the earth.

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August 02, 2017, 04:31:18 PM
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Like mineral + mercury = gold.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

It's actually about proving god with science and most people here are talking about something else for some reason.

Well... Cabala is somewhat related to the God, not that I know of, but they claim it is. Its not scientific tho - so I don't know if it fits. And they - some people that have enough of time and a too little problems, are implying that Cabala is science.... Well... No, it is not.

Well... cabalist almost proves that Satan exist lol. By the same fact of them doing the sophistry. They are like their father - the greatest sophist ever existed. And that God have none of his and he has none of God.
 
God is simple. Science is simple. Thats a connection one should find that if one leads to the other  you are on a right track. And the puritans were on the right track.

You are completely mis lead about caballa & alchemy, that's too much to take for your indoctrinated mind lol

Arabic invented science lol

trigo, algebra, astronomy, chemistry etc. All sciences .

You invented the moon  sabath science, congratulations simpleton. You ll go far with this.

But I would not have expected you to read much other than the 3 pages of your bible conforting you in your simple minded view of the universe.

10The lips of a king speak as an oracle,
and his mouth does not betray justice.
11Honest scales and balances belong to the Lord;
all the weights in the bag are of his making.

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August 02, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
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Like mineral + mercury = gold.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

It's actually about proving god with science and most people here are talking about something else for some reason.

Yeah they are not speaking about 40 virgins and burning in hell, that must be hard for ypur indoctrinated mind to recognize it as religion.

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August 02, 2017, 05:39:44 PM
Last edit: August 02, 2017, 05:56:48 PM by Przemax
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Arabic invented science lol


trigo, algebra, astronomy, chemistry etc. All sciences .


Such a thing only in masonic day dreaming. That was long before arabics ok? Greeks and prior to greeks.

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You invented the moon  sabath science, congratulations simpleton. You ll go far with this.

No. I have not invented anything. Im just saying that Bible word is credible. Thats the subject of the topic. At least Im empirically right. You are not about mercury turning to gold.

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You are completely mis lead about caballa & alchemy, that's too much to take for your indoctrinated mind lol

A guy who believes that mercury can be made into gold have no right to tell me Im indoctrinated. Thats just silly.

Im indoctrinated? The guy that says that there is some mystical balance in nature cannot tell me Im indoctrinated. Every single uneducated person would agree that there is some "balance". While thats just empty words. But who am I kidding. You believe in gold making, empty words having supreme meaning and empty heads having supreme conciousness.

Im indoctrinated. Thats a good one. I dont have a masonic teachers ok? You probably do. I met several such a people like you in my life. Same words, same empty meanings.

I can tell you - you won't know the truth about the stuff you are learning. You will not be allowed to. Only the evil people are allowed to know every single detail. You will remain good and be mislead.

All I know is that Jesus have told me I should not follow the teaching of Pharisee. And caballa is one their teachings. So sorry. But I choose Jesus rather than Pharisee.

Everyone make his own calling.

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Listen up, Astargath!
You are posting but not doing research, that is not how these discussions work! Do your homework before you claim to know something, otherwise you are only promoting an opinion, I will now show you why your opinion is unreasonable by proving that your claims are unreliable.

Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.

You gave me no reference to the specific tests so you did not even bother to do any work to make sure your opinion about these tests was accurate. You did not conduct a scientific criticism so I will naturally reject your unfounded claims about this phenomenon.
How is it that a mentalist can produce such a distinct and obviously mysterious illusion that also has a unique signature on the EEG? You don't have a clue about how your simple explanation applies in practice? How is Occam's Razor supposed to explain a phenomenon like that without TK? Why is it that the "fake/fraud/illusion" explanation quickly falls apart when faced with having to explain the mountains of evidence already posted here?

40 cases: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml
EEG of telekinesis in action: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Find the telekinesis video on your own: http://googl.com/#q=telekinesis+superhumans

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?
Besides not addressing case #1 at all,
You brought up mostly invalid points for the 40 cases, you obviously failed to consider the totality of the evidence and instead focused on prejudices like "the researcher believes in GOD, so he is not reliable". You still hold to the fallacy that survival has been ruled out, you thereby avoid giving a complete account of the evidence. What good is science if you are expecting an outcome and will ignore the results if they do not meet those expectations?

You never replied to my questions about your burden of proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19336271#msg19336271

You think that you have no burden of proof in this discussion, that is why you never make an ADEQUATE rebuttal. All the other atheists who argued with me have stopped responding too.
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What good is science if you are expecting an outcome and will ignore the results if they do not meet those expectations?

That's as good as a bias Wink

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The paradox of the highest science.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/levi/phs/phs08.htm


PARADOX V.--REASON IS GOD

THIS should be placed first. It is before everything: it is self-existent, it exists even for those who do not know it, as the Sun for the Blind, but to see it, feel it, understand it, this is the triumph of the understanding in man; it is the definite result of all the travail of thought and all the aspirations of Faith.

In the principle is Reason, and Reason is in God, and God is Reason. 2 All is made by it, and without

it is nothing made. It is the true light that enlightens us from our birth: it shines even in the darkness, but the darkness does not close it in.

These words are the oracle of Reason itself, and they occur, as all know, at the commencement of the Gospel of St. John.

Without this Reason nothing exists; everything has its reason for existing, even unreason, 1 which serves as a background to reason as the shadow does to the light.

The reasonable believer is he who believes in a reason greater than knowledge; for the reason, or to speak more correctly the reasoning of each one, is not absolute wisdom.

When I reason ill, I become unreasonable 1; it is not then reason that I should distrust, but my own judgment.

I should turn then willingly to those who know more than I do, but even then I must have reason to believe in their superiority.

To conjecture, at random, what one does not know, and then believe blindly in one's own conjectures, or in those of others, who know no more than ourselves, is to behave like madmen. When we are told that God demands the sacrifice of our reason,

this is to make God, the ideal or despotic idol, of folly.

Reason gives conviction, but rash belief produces only infatuation.


It is quite reasonable to believe in things that one neither sees, touches, nor measures, because manifestly the infinite exists, and one can say not only I believe, but I know that an infinity of things exist which are beyond my reach.

Knowledge being indefinitely progressive, I can believe that I shall one day know that of which I am now ignorant. I have no doubts in regard to what I know thoroughly; I may doubt my knowledge if I know imperfectly, but I cannot have doubts as to a thing of which I know nothing, since it is impossible for me to formulate them.

He who says there is no God, without having defined God in a complete and absolute manner, simply talks nonsense. I wait for his definition, and when he has set this forth after his own fashion, I am certain, beforehand, of being able to say to him, "I agree with you, there is no such God"; but that God is certainly not my God. If he says to me: "Define your God," I should reply, "I will take good care to do nothing of the kind, for a God defined is a God dethroned." 1 Every positive definition is deniable, the Infinite is the undefined. "I believe only in matter,"

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Arabic invented science lol


trigo, algebra, astronomy, chemistry etc. All sciences .


Such a thing only in masonic day dreaming. That was long before arabics ok? Greeks and prior to greeks.

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You invented the moon  sabath science, congratulations simpleton. You ll go far with this.

No. I have not invented anything. Im just saying that Bible word is credible. Thats the subject of the topic. At least Im empirically right. You are not about mercury turning to gold.

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You are completely mis lead about caballa & alchemy, that's too much to take for your indoctrinated mind lol

A guy who believes that mercury can be made into gold have no right to tell me Im indoctrinated. Thats just silly.

Im indoctrinated? The guy that says that there is some mystical balance in nature cannot tell me Im indoctrinated. Every single uneducated person would agree that there is some "balance". While thats just empty words. But who am I kidding. You believe in gold making, empty words having supreme meaning and empty heads having supreme conciousness.

Im indoctrinated. Thats a good one. I dont have a masonic teachers ok? You probably do. I met several such a people like you in my life. Same words, same empty meanings.

I can tell you - you won't know the truth about the stuff you are learning. You will not be allowed to. Only the evil people are allowed to know every single detail. You will remain good and be mislead.

All I know is that Jesus have told me I should not follow the teaching of Pharisee. And caballa is one their teachings. So sorry. But I choose Jesus rather than Pharisee.

Everyone make his own calling.

Mercury is used to extract gold from ore lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_(chemistry)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_extraction
According to de Lecerda and Salomons (1997) mercury was first in use for extraction at about 1000 BC,[7] according to Meech and others (1998), mercury was used in obtaining gold until the latter period of the first millennia.

Amalgamation with mercury was used to enhance recovery, often by adding it directly to the riffle tables, and mercury is still widely used in small diggings across the world



But it was just a simple example of chemicals reaction formulated as algebra, that I though even a simple minded person could understand.

But I guess it was already too much science at once.

https://www.bible.com/fr/bible/111/PRO.16.10-11.niv


10The lips of a king speak as an oracle,
and his mouth does not betray justice.
11Honest scales and balances belong to the Lord;
all the weights in the bag are of his making.


See it's even in your dear bible that you probably forgot to read.


I have many teachers, none of them are self proclaimed Christian simpleton who dont even read their bible.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabir_ibn_Hayyan

Abu Mūsā Jābir ibn Hayyān (Arabic: جابر بن حیان‎‎, Persian: جابر بن حیان‎‎, often given the nisbahs al-Bariqi, al-Azdi, al-Kufi, al-Tusi or al-Sufi; fl. c. 721 – c. 815),[6] also known by the Latinization Geber, was a polymath: a chemist and alchemist, astronomer and astrologer, engineer, geographer, philosopher, physicist, and pharmacist and physician. Born and educated in Tus, he later traveled to Kufa. He is sometimes referred to as the father of early chemistry.


He is also the one who invented algebra in the book of balance.


https://books.google.fr/books?id=l9bgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=theory+of+balance+in+nature+jabir+algebra&source=bl&ots=NAdcapm1W2&sig=BPo-DB7bApO79tpzxgHgCVND4g8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWofPKuLnVAhWDKsAKHfBODmAQ6AEIMjAE#v=onepage&q&f=false




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Listen up, Astargath!
You are posting but not doing research, that is not how these discussions work! Do your homework before you claim to know something, otherwise you are only promoting an opinion, I will now show you why your opinion is unreasonable by proving that your claims are unreliable.

Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.

You gave me no reference to the specific tests so you did not even bother to do any work to make sure your opinion about these tests was accurate. You did not conduct a scientific criticism so I will naturally reject your unfounded claims about this phenomenon.
How is it that a mentalist can produce such a distinct and obviously mysterious illusion that also has a unique signature on the EEG? You don't have a clue about how your simple explanation applies in practice? How is Occam's Razor supposed to explain a phenomenon like that without TK? Why is it that the "fake/fraud/illusion" explanation quickly falls apart when faced with having to explain the mountains of evidence already posted here?

40 cases: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml
EEG of telekinesis in action: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Find the telekinesis video on your own: http://googl.com/#q=telekinesis+superhumans

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?
Besides not addressing case #1 at all,
You brought up mostly invalid points for the 40 cases, you obviously failed to consider the totality of the evidence and instead focused on prejudices like "the researcher believes in GOD, so he is not reliable". You still hold to the fallacy that survival has been ruled out, you thereby avoid giving a complete account of the evidence. What good is science if you are expecting an outcome and will ignore the results if they do not meet those expectations?

You never replied to my questions about your burden of proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19336271#msg19336271

You think that you have no burden of proof in this discussion, that is why you never make an ADEQUATE rebuttal. All the other atheists who argued with me have stopped responding too.

Because it is a huge problem if the researchers already believe in that. How many times did christians claim to find the noah's ark and it turned out to be false? It is the same with them and since there is no concrete evidence a part from eye witnesses and stories there is no point in believing any of it. There are ton of stories about ton of ''paranormal'' phenomena but there is never concrete evidence, just stories. There is no point in believing any of it and I don't gain anything by believing on it either, I don't know what you are getting from it.

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hey man... wheres my buddy badecker? im having trolling withdrawals!
 looks like his thread got hijacked by some professors of philosophical cure for sleep deprivation  Grin  Grin

damn.... i miss horace too  Wink

ahh well back to the bitcoin cash drama!  its far more entertaining than this train wreck Roll Eyes

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looks like his thread got hijacked by some professors of philosophical cure for sleep deprivation  Grin  Grin

If only that could make me sleep !  Sad Angry

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Listen up, Astargath!
You are posting but not doing research, that is not how these discussions work! Do your homework before you claim to know something, otherwise you are only promoting an opinion, I will now show you why your opinion is unreasonable by proving that your claims are unreliable.

Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.

You gave me no reference to the specific tests so you did not even bother to do any work to make sure your opinion about these tests was accurate. You did not conduct a scientific criticism so I will naturally reject your unfounded claims about this phenomenon.
How is it that a mentalist can produce such a distinct and obviously mysterious illusion that also has a unique signature on the EEG? You don't have a clue about how your simple explanation applies in practice? How is Occam's Razor supposed to explain a phenomenon like that without TK? Why is it that the "fake/fraud/illusion" explanation quickly falls apart when faced with having to explain the mountains of evidence already posted here?

40 cases: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml
EEG of telekinesis in action: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Find the telekinesis video on your own: http://googl.com/#q=telekinesis+superhumans

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?
Besides not addressing case #1 at all,
You brought up mostly invalid points for the 40 cases, you obviously failed to consider the totality of the evidence and instead focused on prejudices like "the researcher believes in GOD, so he is not reliable". You still hold to the fallacy that survival has been ruled out, you thereby avoid giving a complete account of the evidence. What good is science if you are expecting an outcome and will ignore the results if they do not meet those expectations?

You never replied to my questions about your burden of proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19336271#msg19336271

You think that you have no burden of proof in this discussion, that is why you never make an ADEQUATE rebuttal. All the other atheists who argued with me have stopped responding too.

Because it is a huge problem if the researchers already believe in that. How many times did christians claim to find the noah's ark and it turned out to be false? It is the same with them and since there is no concrete evidence a part from eye witnesses and stories there is no point in believing any of it. There are ton of stories about ton of ''paranormal'' phenomena but there is never concrete evidence, just stories. There is no point in believing any of it and I don't gain anything by believing on it either, I don't know what you are getting from it.
These tests are not stories, they are scientific observations. A measurement of the power of mind.
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Listen up, Astargath!
You are posting but not doing research, that is not how these discussions work! Do your homework before you claim to know something, otherwise you are only promoting an opinion, I will now show you why your opinion is unreasonable by proving that your claims are unreliable.

Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.

You gave me no reference to the specific tests so you did not even bother to do any work to make sure your opinion about these tests was accurate. You did not conduct a scientific criticism so I will naturally reject your unfounded claims about this phenomenon.
How is it that a mentalist can produce such a distinct and obviously mysterious illusion that also has a unique signature on the EEG? You don't have a clue about how your simple explanation applies in practice? How is Occam's Razor supposed to explain a phenomenon like that without TK? Why is it that the "fake/fraud/illusion" explanation quickly falls apart when faced with having to explain the mountains of evidence already posted here?

40 cases: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml
EEG of telekinesis in action: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Find the telekinesis video on your own: http://googl.com/#q=telekinesis+superhumans

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?
Besides not addressing case #1 at all,
You brought up mostly invalid points for the 40 cases, you obviously failed to consider the totality of the evidence and instead focused on prejudices like "the researcher believes in GOD, so he is not reliable". You still hold to the fallacy that survival has been ruled out, you thereby avoid giving a complete account of the evidence. What good is science if you are expecting an outcome and will ignore the results if they do not meet those expectations?

You never replied to my questions about your burden of proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19336271#msg19336271

You think that you have no burden of proof in this discussion, that is why you never make an ADEQUATE rebuttal. All the other atheists who argued with me have stopped responding too.

Because it is a huge problem if the researchers already believe in that. How many times did christians claim to find the noah's ark and it turned out to be false? It is the same with them and since there is no concrete evidence a part from eye witnesses and stories there is no point in believing any of it. There are ton of stories about ton of ''paranormal'' phenomena but there is never concrete evidence, just stories. There is no point in believing any of it and I don't gain anything by believing on it either, I don't know what you are getting from it.
These tests are not stories, they are scientific observations. A measurement of the power of mind.

It is claimed to be a test but if it really was a scientific test, don't you think we would already hear about this all the time? Don't you think scientists would have applied that to something? Why do you think virtually all scientists do not believe in that kind of stuff if it really was proved to be true? You think they purposely say it's false?

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August 04, 2017, 10:44:21 AM
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I am sorry but I never believed in gods and they never existed.
All gods were aliens who came from skies to teach something.
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