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August 20, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.

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Accept the truth.

That words are so hypocritical coming from you.

You yourself are the proof of God existance. He told that he will send strong delusions.

Evolutionist claims that the Bible does not say the truth, yet every birth on this earth, by any living creature is a proof of his word. Evolutionist had found none proof to the contrary.

How you judge you will be judged the same. Do you think the God is laughable? God will have the last laugh, if he decided that.

You are laughable, when God allowed you to discover that human is closest in dna similiarities with the pig.  Hows your theory can explain that? It can not - you have strong delusions and are made a joke.



You say everything is driven by matter, every reaction is mass related. God has send strong delusions on you, becuase your scientific equations are full of patches, constants that "must be" because your equations would not be right. Some miracle made believe constants. You are all so much believing in your mass driven world that you will believe and create lies to hide it. Like different constant of the speed of light every 20 years or so. And that not within a statistical error of 5%, but its multitude of quantity. So it was not an error.

God can have a good laugh when your equations is wrong by 95% percent of mass (or more) you have to invent, like stupid dark matter and dark energy, that noone had ever seen for your equations to be even remotely true.

Yes you nitpick on electric universe theory that they made some slight error.... You have a strong delusion because your whole mass driven world is 95% false and only 5% correct. Even after a whole book of patches how to make wrong theory right.

You know what is 5% in statistic? Statistical error. Congratulations that your predictibility is so low as it can be a statistical error that you guessed wrong or right.

You believe more than anyone else on your things that noone ever had seen and noone ever will, yet you hypocriticly claim that someone else is not to be credited because they believe.



And then you hypocriticly says, that bible believers are a joke. Thats a very strong delusions there.

Think again if your claims is not just hypocritical hot air.

A lot of talk but still no proof or evidence presented, even if evolution is wrong, the big bang is wrong and everything else is wrong it still doesn't prove god is right. You should understand that.

And you should understand that there is no scientific theory that is proven right. There are thoeries that are not proven wrong. You can not have certainity with any thoery that its true. Thats not science.



There are not yet enough of hypothesis builded up to make a scientific theory of God. But many of the thesis in the books are not proven to be wrong.

Scientists, even those from evolution and big bang or whatever are validating a God thesis (the bible). Scientific theory is based on making a right hypothesis and try to prove its wrong. Its doable to prove its wrong. You have the God thesis that you can easily make into hypothesis, that are falisifiable. The more they try to prove the God thesis is wrong, and they fail to do so, the stronger its validity is.

That is called validating by trying to falsify something. You validate God by falsifying your atheistic possitions that are the opposite. Its like saying - that man is not dead, therefore he is alive.

So thank you for proving God.



So what is the hypothesis of god then?

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/136-physics/general-physics/thermodynamics/816-does-evolution-contradict-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-intermediate

There is no law of biogenesis saying that very primitive life cannot form from increasingly complex molecules.

The Hardy-Weinberg principle connects the work of Mendel and Darwin, and builds on them to expand our understanding of evolution

You think there is such a thing like a spontaneous generation? Like a mage creating a cat from nothing, or what do you mean?

I don't know how the law of information systems disproves evolution

http://www.proof-of-evolution.com/specified-complexity.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specified_complexity

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI102.html

http://answers-in-reason.com/religion/mathematical-impossibility-evolution-debunked/
http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2012/01/does-probability-refute-evolution/

Natural law?

How does a beneficial mutation disprove evolution?

I don't know what generic complexity specifically is but I already showed how complexity does not disprove evolution

http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/evolution/information-theory.php



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You think there is such a thing like a spontaneous generation? Like a mage creating a cat from nothing, or what do you mean?

Ok that one might be wrong. That was not my meme. I had not put much thought into it. Ok. Some people at the creationism camp are also wrong. Difference between me and you is that I can admitt it.

I am stupid that I gave that meme. Forget about it. I don't want to talk about it. You have established ground how to find in your little pseudo scientific swampy. It can take ages, months and years of a silly word games between me and you.

My bad. I admitt I should not go into this shaddy ground. Of philosophical word game.

Its just a general picture of things. I know that evolutionists spends all day thinking about the asnwers for "yes but...". I regret of talking about your butts.

Its just a meme that gives general idea how things are and how evolutionists make "butts" out of it. I know you can say that some brilliant author have discovered a 3rd gender, or something similiar. Pun intended.

Violation does not mean something is contradicting its just not fitting to well with all those facts.

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So what is the hypothesis of god then?

A question if God has done x y or z. Thats a hypothesis. If not proven wrong that hypothesis is correct. One can assume how something is done, but for things to be logical one must assume if its factual that something is made, and if its factual that someone that made it can exist. The process of "how it was done" does not have to be true for a statement to be correct.

For example - God created a life. How have he made it, does not change the status of statement whether its true or not.

Thats an ontological definition of truth. You mix epistemological "how it was made" way of defining the truth and accuse the ontologist that they do not claim to know "how it was made".

I can answer, that you it does not matter "how do you think it was made", because there are evidences it could not be done how you claim it is. Such a counter argument is pig having 98% of human dna.

Thats an error for a creationist to use epistomological arguments to refute evolutionist. Evolutionist will just use their terminology and confuse the poor creationist by his "but".

Epistomological (evolutionist) can claim that something cannot exist because of how something is done, he cannot claim wrong argument that ontologist does not know how something was done. Ontologist does not claim to know (creationist), he is only interested what exist. And the fact that pigs are way closer related to humans than monkeys is ontological claim that it does not matter how something is done, as long as its highly unlikely that it is done like evolutionist claim it happened.

For example if you would say that in the last 1000 years 100 kinds became extinct and 1 had come to being. That would be a counter argument to what actualy the creationist claim is their truth. Their truth is that there was no single new kind of animal that came into existance (the key word) after the creation. And the existance and classification of this kind is easily defined (it can breed only with its kind).
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You think there is such a thing like a spontaneous generation? Like a mage creating a cat from nothing, or what do you mean?

Ok that one might be wrong. That was not my meme. I had not put much thought into it. Ok. Some people at the creationism camp are also wrong. Difference between me and you is that I can admitt it.

I am stupid that I gave that meme. Forget about it. I don't want to talk about it. You have established ground how to find in your little pseudo scientific swampy. It can take ages, months and years of a silly word games between me and you.

My bad. I admitt I should not go into this shaddy ground. Of philosophical word game.

Its just a general picture of things. I know that evolutionists spends all day thinking about the asnwers for "yes but...". I regret of talking about your butts.

Its just a meme that gives general idea how things are and how evolutionists make "butts" out of it. I know you can say that some brilliant author have discovered a 3rd gender, or something similiar. Pun intended.

Violation does not mean something is contradicting its just not fitting to well with all those facts.

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So what is the hypothesis of god then?

A question if God has done x y or z. Thats a hypothesis. If not proven wrong that hypothesis is correct. One can assume how something is done, but for things to be logical one must assume if its factual that something is made, and if its factual that someone that made it can exist. The process of "how it was done" does not have to be true for a statement to be correct.

For example - God created a life. How have he made it, does not change the status of statement whether its true or not.

Thats an ontological definition of truth. You mix epistemological "how it was made" way of defining the truth and accuse the ontologist that they do not claim to know "how it was made".

I can answer, that you it does not matter "how do you think it was made", because there are evidences it could not be done how you claim it is. Such a counter argument is pig having 98% of human dna.

Thats an error for a creationist to use epistomological arguments to refute evolutionist.

Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it. It doesn't get you anywhere. I can't prove God didn't do it just like I can't prove other gods didn't do it. There is still the possibility of none of them doing it anyways. That's not a hypothesis. First of all, what am I supposed to test? Second thing is, where is the evidence leading to the hypothesis.

''Its just a meme that gives general idea how things are and how evolutionists make "butts" out of it'' You see, I give you explanations of why the arguments against evolution are wrong and all you see is evolutionists making ''butts''?? It shows how flawed the arguments against evolution are yet for you it somehow shows that evolution is not true.



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August 20, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
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we will know the answer after we die. if truth there was hell and heaven the time we has die. so it truth. if not. i dont know either how to say it. scary and deep inside me are scared to wait that time come.fuhh. to find the answer. we will know it someday.

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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it. It doesn't get you anywhere. I can't prove God didn't do it just like I can't prove other gods didn't do it. There is still the possibility of none of them doing it anyways. That's not a hypothesis. First of all, what am I supposed to test? Second thing is, where is the evidence leading to the hypothesis.

If you want to disprove it, its easily done. God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself. If you prove that the existance of animals is driven by different principles, like how recreation is like you have succesfully proven God could not exist.

Thats this easy. You are suppose to test if any animal can "evolve" so much that it can no longer breed with its kind, and you have proven that God of the Bible have not done it. Becuase they have not demonstrated God is not neccessary for new kind of thing to happen. Either its a star or a kind of animal.

That was not the case, and in my opinion it will not happen. That proves that evolution did not replace God. By replacing i mean, that evolution had explained that God had not do it.

Is that so hard to understand? The big bang theory is connected to that. No single star had been born since we observe and every day new star probably dies somewhere. Hows that makes God obsolete? I would say evidence is to the contrary.

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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it.

life is mortal. It dies. So if a God would create beings they all would die by now. What is important is that those creatures reproduce themselves, and thise reproducion is described how it is done so that the life can be maintained classified by their kinds. One kind can breed with another of its kind. Its that simple to prove there is yet another kind of animal. Something brand new that evolved from a known other kind.
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August 20, 2017, 03:46:32 PM
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.

I just clarified that its not the God of the bible you are talking about. Do not take it personal. It was just a clarification.

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''Its just a meme that gives general idea how things are and how evolutionists make "butts" out of it'' You see, I give you explanations of why the arguments against evolution are wrong and all you see is evolutionists making ''butts''?? It shows how flawed the arguments against evolution are yet for you it somehow shows that evolution is not true.

We are making circles. All you have proven is that some creationists are stupid. Ok I admitt that. What does that proves? Not much other than that I can admitt being wrong.

I just told you I regret of giving you a meme that is just for fun, and you use it against me.
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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it. It doesn't get you anywhere. I can't prove God didn't do it just like I can't prove other gods didn't do it. There is still the possibility of none of them doing it anyways. That's not a hypothesis. First of all, what am I supposed to test? Second thing is, where is the evidence leading to the hypothesis.

If you want to disprove it, its easily done. God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself. If you prove that the existance of animals is driven by different principles, like how recreation is like you have succesfully proven God could not exist.

Thats this easy. You are suppose to test if any animal can "evolve" so much that it can no longer breed with its kind, and you have proven that God of the Bible have not done it. Becuase they have not demonstrated God is not neccessary for new kind of thing to happen. Either its a star or a kind of animal.

That was not the case, and in my opinion it will not happen. That proves that evolution did not replace God. By replacing i mean, that evolution had explained that God had not do it.

Is that so hard to understand? The big bang theory is connected to that. No single star had been born since we observe and every day new star probably dies somewhere. Hows that makes God obsolete? I would say evidence is to the contrary.

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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it.

life is mortal. It dies. So if a God would create beings they all would die by now. What is important is that those creatures reproduce themselves, and thise reproducion is described how it is done so that the life can be maintained classified by their kinds. One kind can breed with another of its kind. Its that simple to prove there is yet another kind of animal. Something brand new that evolved from a known other kind.

To ''disprove'' something, you would need to prove it first. You simply do not understand what it means to prove something. You are basically saying that I can claim anything and it's true unless you are able to prove me wrong, it doesn't work like that. ''God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself'' How do you know? How do you know God has said any of that? Can you prove how animals are generated from nothing? Or instantly which is what god supposedly did? ''If you prove that the existence of animals is driven by different principles'' Well so far I don't think anyone has seen an animal appear from nowhere, so I guess I disproved god?



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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it. It doesn't get you anywhere. I can't prove God didn't do it just like I can't prove other gods didn't do it. There is still the possibility of none of them doing it anyways. That's not a hypothesis. First of all, what am I supposed to test? Second thing is, where is the evidence leading to the hypothesis.

If you want to disprove it, its easily done. God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself. If you prove that the existance of animals is driven by different principles, like how recreation is like you have succesfully proven God could not exist.

Thats this easy. You are suppose to test if any animal can "evolve" so much that it can no longer breed with its kind, and you have proven that God of the Bible have not done it. Becuase they have not demonstrated God is not neccessary for new kind of thing to happen. Either its a star or a kind of animal.

That was not the case, and in my opinion it will not happen. That proves that evolution did not replace God. By replacing i mean, that evolution had explained that God had not do it.

Is that so hard to understand? The big bang theory is connected to that. No single star had been born since we observe and every day new star probably dies somewhere. Hows that makes God obsolete? I would say evidence is to the contrary.

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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it.

life is mortal. It dies. So if a God would create beings they all would die by now. What is important is that those creatures reproduce themselves, and thise reproducion is described how it is done so that the life can be maintained classified by their kinds. One kind can breed with another of its kind. Its that simple to prove there is yet another kind of animal. Something brand new that evolved from a known other kind.

To ''disprove'' something, you would need to prove it first. You simply do not understand what it means to prove something. You are basically saying that I can claim anything and it's true unless you are able to prove me wrong, it doesn't work like that. ''God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself'' How do you know? How do you know God has said any of that? Can you prove how animals are generated from nothing? Or instantly which is what god supposedly did? ''If you prove that the existence of animals is driven by different principles'' Well so far I don't think anyone has seen an animal appear from nowhere, so I guess I disproved god?

No you have not disproved God, because my counter argument is that the creation phase was over some times ago and there is no creation now. Do you understand the rule of the game call logic and language? Or you still claiming you are an atheist while there is no atheist that is not a liar on this earth.

Ofcourse you can claim anything as a fact. Thats what language is. You seriously think you can actualy prove anything? Lets say I would claim that I sun is shining. Its a fact. Sun is shining sometimes. When I would say sun is shining now, you would have to check if sun is shining somewhere on the planet. etc etc.

I can say the sun is blue. You say it is not. Maybe I say this when I have a glasses that makes me see sun as a blue ball. Ofcourse I can say anything. Its a matter of a language statement to disprove the logical statement and observations and not prove it.

You have got it all wrong. There is no definite truth or definite proof. There could be only statement of counter argument that proves that some statements are false.

Learn how language works and how science works and then talk to me about what is proof and what is not. Language and logic is all about arguments and counter arguments. You can claim anything you like unless proven wrong. Thats the function of language.

I can say trolls have pooped on my bed. You do not know what do I mean by naming someone a troll. You can easily say that trolls does not exist where I live and noone ever heard about them so for you are a loony that talks nonsense. I could say that he lives on mars for example. You don't know if on mars there are no trolls. etc etc. Or you can say that there are no observations of life on mars. etc etc. Battle on arguments might continue forever.

You have absolutely wrong conception about truth. Someone has made you disfavour by making you think science is about proving stuff. Science is about disproving stuff. So if you think you can't disprove God, just separate God from science otherwise you would just be saying complete nonsense. Atheism without disproving God is a contradiction.  Definision of atheism is a point of view that think the God does not exist, so it need to have a counter argument for those that think he exist. Do you have one? If not, then stop being an atheist because you contradict yourself.

A succesful science makes such a statement that its impossible to make counter argument. As long as you find a counter argument that statement should stop being called scientific, and should be revised.
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.

I just clarified that its not the God of the bible you are talking about. Do not take it personal. It was just a clarification.
How do you know that I am not talking about GOD? Simply because your Bible tells you so? Then you are just following authority and not doing your own thinking.
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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it. It doesn't get you anywhere. I can't prove God didn't do it just like I can't prove other gods didn't do it. There is still the possibility of none of them doing it anyways. That's not a hypothesis. First of all, what am I supposed to test? Second thing is, where is the evidence leading to the hypothesis.

If you want to disprove it, its easily done. God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself. If you prove that the existance of animals is driven by different principles, like how recreation is like you have succesfully proven God could not exist.

Thats this easy. You are suppose to test if any animal can "evolve" so much that it can no longer breed with its kind, and you have proven that God of the Bible have not done it. Becuase they have not demonstrated God is not neccessary for new kind of thing to happen. Either its a star or a kind of animal.

That was not the case, and in my opinion it will not happen. That proves that evolution did not replace God. By replacing i mean, that evolution had explained that God had not do it.

Is that so hard to understand? The big bang theory is connected to that. No single star had been born since we observe and every day new star probably dies somewhere. Hows that makes God obsolete? I would say evidence is to the contrary.

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Saying god created life is the same as saying (Insert any other supreme being) did it.

life is mortal. It dies. So if a God would create beings they all would die by now. What is important is that those creatures reproduce themselves, and thise reproducion is described how it is done so that the life can be maintained classified by their kinds. One kind can breed with another of its kind. Its that simple to prove there is yet another kind of animal. Something brand new that evolved from a known other kind.

To ''disprove'' something, you would need to prove it first. You simply do not understand what it means to prove something. You are basically saying that I can claim anything and it's true unless you are able to prove me wrong, it doesn't work like that. ''God have said what did he create and how does it recreate itself'' How do you know? How do you know God has said any of that? Can you prove how animals are generated from nothing? Or instantly which is what god supposedly did? ''If you prove that the existence of animals is driven by different principles'' Well so far I don't think anyone has seen an animal appear from nowhere, so I guess I disproved god?

No you have not disproved God, because my counter argument is that the creation phase was over some times ago and there is no creation now. Do you understand the rule of the game call logic and language? Or you still claiming you are an atheist while there is no atheist that is not a liar on this earth.

Ofcourse you can claim anything as a fact. Thats what language is. You seriously think you can actualy prove anything? Lets say I would claim that I sun is shining. Its a fact. Sun is shining sometimes. When I would say sun is shining now, you would have to check if sun is shining somewhere on the planet. etc etc.

I can say the sun is blue. You say it is not. Maybe I say this when I have a glasses that makes me see sun as a blue ball. Ofcourse I can say anything. Its a matter of a language statement to disprove the logical statement and observations and not prove it.

You have got it all wrong. There is no definite truth or definite proof. There could be only statement of counter argument that proves that some statements are false.

Learn how language works and how science works and then talk to me about what is proof and what is not. Language and logic is all about arguments and counter arguments. You can claim anything you like unless proven wrong. Thats the function of language.

I can say trolls have pooped on my bed. You do not know what do I mean by naming someone a troll. You can easily say that trolls does not exist where I live and noone ever heard about them so for you are a loony that talks nonsense. I could say that he lives on mars for example. You don't know if on mars there are no trolls. etc etc. Or you can say that there are no observations of life on mars. etc etc. Battle on arguments might continue forever.

You have absolutely wrong conception about truth. Someone has made you disfavour by making you think science is about proving stuff. Science is about disproving stuff. So if you think you can't disprove God, just separate God from science otherwise you would just be saying complete nonsense. Atheism without disproving God is a contradiction.  Definision of atheism is a point of view that think the God does not exist, so it need to have a counter argument for those that think he exist. Do you have one? If not, then stop being an atheist because you contradict yourself.

A succesful science makes such a statement that its impossible to make counter argument. As long as you find a counter argument that statement should stop being called scientific, and should be revised.


You haven't proved god. It doesn't have to be ''scientifically'' proven, it just has to be proven. You either prove his existence or you admit you believe in him blindly.



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August 21, 2017, 12:42:06 AM
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There is no law of biogenesis saying that very primitive life cannot form from increasingly complex molecules.
You are wrong about that.

The law of biogenesis says that "life cannot come from non-life", yet abiogenesis is part and parcel of evolutionary theory because there is no other way to explain the origin of life than from "non-life".

The Improbability of Abiogenesis:
https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/abiogenesis.html

Abiogenesis is falsifiable with these statistics, there has to be an additional factor that caused the impossible transformation.
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You haven't proved god. It doesn't have to be ''scientifically'' proven, it just has to be proven. You either prove his existence or you admit you believe in him blindly.

Proving is just a fiction that came out from law and bureucracy. You cannot prove anything outside of the court of law and bureucracy. The last thing that science do is to prove. You can say that some sentence - like a criminal sentence is not disproven to correct by the defence.

I know you like fiction thats why you like evolution and big bang.

Like all liars you love to abuse the language. The language is free. Here is a list of your possition abuses, and they claim those abuses are their strongest claims, just like your best claim is abuse the language to mix god and human law terms.

https://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/ The list of lies you support with your possition is enourmous.

By the way. The evolution is almost right, just like pig is almost a human. Just like you disprove the need for God creation by discovering the ring specie. It just need a one step forward to prove you are right.

God is like:



Almost right means you are wrong. Do you want a 2nd winner hat?

Predictions of how mass makes the world go around is below the statistical error. Another 2nd winner hat.

Do you need more law fiction to believe you make your case?

P.S. By the way I had not put a God into a trial in court. He will put me into a trial in his court. You got all things upside down man.

You will have your time to say that God does not exist while speaking in his court room rofl.
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August 21, 2017, 09:39:15 AM
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.

I just clarified that its not the God of the bible you are talking about. Do not take it personal. It was just a clarification.
How do you know that I am not talking about GOD? Simply because your Bible tells you so? Then you are just following authority and not doing your own thinking.
Since you did not answer my question, I have another one:

Is the Bible fit for worship?
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The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice.  God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh.  Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are “pleasing to the Lord”.

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God.  “Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah.  Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)  Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him.  He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar.  Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat.  He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith.  However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn’t kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do.  If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone’s prison-bitch.  It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God’s love.  There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

So how is it that the atheist can recognize evil in the Bible but the fundamentalist Christian cannot?
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August 21, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
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There is no law of biogenesis saying that very primitive life cannot form from increasingly complex molecules.
You are wrong about that.

The law of biogenesis says that "life cannot come from non-life", yet abiogenesis is part and parcel of evolutionary theory because there is no other way to explain the origin of life than from "non-life".

The Improbability of Abiogenesis:
https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/abiogenesis.html

Abiogenesis is falsifiable with these statistics, there has to be an additional factor that caused the impossible transformation.

These statistics are made up, mate. I already showed that a few times. The calculation is simply wrong.

http://answers-in-reason.com/religion/mathematical-impossibility-evolution-debunked/
http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2012/01/does-probability-refute-evolution/

There are successful experiments on abiogenesis. Obviously it still needs to be studied quite a lot.



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You haven't proved god. It doesn't have to be ''scientifically'' proven, it just has to be proven. You either prove his existence or you admit you believe in him blindly.

Proving is just a fiction that came out from law and bureucracy. You cannot prove anything outside of the court of law and bureucracy. The last thing that science do is to prove. You can say that some sentence - like a criminal sentence is not disproven to correct by the defence.

I know you like fiction thats why you like evolution and big bang.

Like all liars you love to abuse the language. The language is free. Here is a list of your possition abuses, and they claim those abuses are their strongest claims, just like your best claim is abuse the language to mix god and human law terms.

https://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/ The list of lies you support with your possition is enourmous.

By the way. The evolution is almost right, just like pig is almost a human. Just like you disprove the need for God creation by discovering the ring specie. It just need a one step forward to prove you are right.

God is like:



Almost right means you are wrong. Do you want a 2nd winner hat?

Predictions of how mass makes the world go around is below the statistical error. Another 2nd winner hat.

Do you need more law fiction to believe you make your case?

P.S. By the way I had not put a God into a trial in court. He will put me into a trial in his court. You got all things upside down man.

You will have your time to say that God does not exist while speaking in his court room rofl.

All of that talk instead of just saying, I believe in god because I was indoctrinated that way and I don't really have any reason for it.

Sure there are frauds and myths about evolution just like creationists have found 100 times noah's ark, I guess that disproves the bible as well, right?



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August 21, 2017, 10:15:34 AM
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.

I just clarified that its not the God of the bible you are talking about. Do not take it personal. It was just a clarification.
How do you know that I am not talking about GOD? Simply because your Bible tells you so? Then you are just following authority and not doing your own thinking.
Since you did not answer my question, I have another one:

Is the Bible fit for worship?
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The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice.  God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh.  Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are “pleasing to the Lord”.

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God.  “Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah.  Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)  Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him.  He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar.  Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat.  He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith.  However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn’t kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do.  If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone’s prison-bitch.  It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God’s love.  There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

So how is it that the atheist can recognize evil in the Bible but the fundamentalist Christian cannot?

God wanted a faithful servant. He saw how Kanninites are disobetient to him, and they judge by themselves and call evil good.

God wanted to know if Abraham is following his own definition of good, calling good evil, or will he trust God. God is testing his faithful servant all the time. Why do you call that evil? Are you better than God? Or claim you are? Are you not testing your friends or spause loyalties? I doubt you don't. And it was a sign to distinguish child sacrifice in the name of Baal from God. Baal was a pseudo diety that claimed he did the same as Yahwe did. You can't judge something outside of the context. It was a convenant with Abraham and Jacob NOT TO KILL CHILDREN ( a practice that was often done that time).

I would like to remind that Satan is still (probably) not cased out of the heavens that time, so he test the God and accuse him and his angels. So the Abraham was accused by Satan just like Hiob was, to test their faith.

If you take things out of context and claim that God like the Epicureans did - I suggest you watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0hAPnh8CY&t=550s

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Sure there are frauds and myths about evolution just like creationists have found 100 times noah's ark, I guess that disproves the bible as well, right?

Noah ark? Thats not in the school books. Listen... all you have are frauds. I don't need no stinking ark that for sure is rotten. Only stupid people are searching for its and its an obvious scam.

100% of missing links are frauds, and you say that some creationist are idiots as well. How silly language that is...... You could be at least a bit sincere can you? Thats just stupid. Have I said that that frauds disprove evolution? Other things disprove it. Learn how to read. Until you find out that the ring specie can evolve further making a seperate kind (can no longer have offsprings with more than one of its variety of kind from which it evolved) your theory is piece of crap at best. How to disprove a piece of crap? By saying it does not explain what it says it explain. It explains micro evolution and macro evolution is their holy grail that they will steal, cheat and commit fraud to get, still with no success.

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All of that talk instead of just saying, I believe in god because I was indoctrinated that way and I don't really have any reason for it.

Wrong. I was not indoctrinated by anyone. I found God myself on my own accord. I was atheist just like you, until I saw that a complete folly.

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There are successful experiments on abiogenesis. Obviously it still needs to be studied quite a lot.

Do not lie. All claims to make a ALL of the amino acids needed out of non organic materia (by making the enviroment how they thought it was) are wrong.

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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.20 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’27 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (–CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller–Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

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August 21, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
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Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them , I even posted 100 points of evidence here but received no adequate reply.

You can not be surprised that people does not take parapsychology as science. It had been proven hoax to many time for people to give credit for.

Thats why people will not treat you seriously - because of early XX century and many charlatains that cheated people blind. By the way, the Bible had forbidden witchcraft of necromancy, of speaking, dealing and invoking spirits. So I am not sure how do you prove God by proving things he forbidden but nevermind.
The point is not to prove GOD but to provide scientific evidence, the kind which speaks for itself because it is empirical. Why not consider the wisdom of GOD could have spoken instructions in other texts? What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone. As for parapsychology I think the papers by Cunningham are very important and the trans-survival hypothesis website has a good view of the parapsychology material.

I just clarified that its not the God of the bible you are talking about. Do not take it personal. It was just a clarification.
How do you know that I am not talking about GOD? Simply because your Bible tells you so? Then you are just following authority and not doing your own thinking.
Since you did not answer my question, I have another one:

Is the Bible fit for worship?
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The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice.  God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh.  Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are “pleasing to the Lord”.

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God.  “Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah.  Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)  Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him.  He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar.  Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat.  He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith.  However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn’t kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do.  If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone’s prison-bitch.  It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God’s love.  There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

So how is it that the atheist can recognize evil in the Bible but the fundamentalist Christian cannot?

God wanted a faithful servant. He saw how Kanninites are disobetient to him, and they judge by themselves and call evil good.

God wanted to know if Abraham is following his own definition of good, calling good evil, or will he trust God. God is testing his faithful servant all the time. Why do you call that evil? Are you better than God? Or claim you are? Are you not testing your friends or spause loyalties? I doubt you don't. And it was a sign to distinguish child sacrifice in the name of Baal from God. Baal was a pseudo diety that claimed he did the same as Yahwe did. You can't judge something outside of the context. It was a convenant with Abraham and Jacob NOT TO KILL CHILDREN ( a practice that was often done that time).

I would like to remind that Satan is still (probably) not cased out of the heavens that time, so he test the God and accuse him and his angels. So the Abraham was accused by Satan just like Hiob was, to test their faith.

If you take things out of context and claim that God like the Epicureans did - I suggest you watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0hAPnh8CY&t=550s

Quote
Sure there are frauds and myths about evolution just like creationists have found 100 times noah's ark, I guess that disproves the bible as well, right?

Noah ark? Thats not in the school books. Listen... all you have are frauds. I don't need no stinking ark that for sure is rotten. Only stupid people are searching for its and its an obvious scam.

100% of missing links are frauds, and you say that some creationist are idiots as well. How silly language that is...... You could be at least a bit sincere can you? Thats just stupid. Have I said that that frauds disprove evolution? Other things disprove it. Learn how to read. Until you find out that the ring specie can evolve further making a seperate kind (can no longer have offsprings with more than one of its variety of kind from which it evolved) your theory is piece of crap at best. How to disprove a piece of crap? By saying it does not explain what it says it explain. It explains micro evolution and macro evolution is their holy grail that they will steal, cheat and commit fraud to get, still with no success.

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All of that talk instead of just saying, I believe in god because I was indoctrinated that way and I don't really have any reason for it.

Wrong. I was not indoctrinated by anyone. I found God myself on my own accord. I was atheist just like you, until I saw that a complete folly.

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There are successful experiments on abiogenesis. Obviously it still needs to be studied quite a lot.

Do not lie. All claims to make a protein out of non organic materia (by making the enviroment how they thought it was) or even a part of it was proven to be..... yes you guessed it right FRAUDS!

''it was proven to be..... yes you guessed it right FRAUDS'' Where is the proof?

This thread is about scientific proof for god, since you are giving none, why don't you stop posting?



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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.20 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’27 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (–CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller–Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

http://creation.com/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis

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The Miller–Urey experiment is now an icon of evolution, presented in most all biology, zoology and evolution textbooks as clear evidence of abiogenesis, when it actually illustrates the many difficulties of chemical evolution.22


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This thread is about scientific proof for god, since you are giving none, why don't you stop posting?

Why do you post your evolution crap - its SCIENTIFIC proof of God thread. Yeah.... You prove it by making a fool out of atheism.

You clearly do not know how to read. I told you SCIENCE is not making PROOFS. ehhhhhhhh....... Even tho the thread is named wrong its about science and God and its relations.

This thread if named properly should be called:

Scientists claiming their hypothesis (or even thoeries) disprove or ridicule the existance of God, ridicule and disprove themselves by science.

You need to be schooled what is science again:

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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.20 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’27 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (–CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller–Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

http://creation.com/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis

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The Miller–Urey experiment is now an icon of evolution, presented in most all biology, zoology and evolution textbooks as clear evidence of abiogenesis, when it actually illustrates the many difficulties of chemical evolution.22


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This thread is about scientific proof for god, since you are giving none, why don't you stop posting?

Why do you post your evolution crap - its SCIENTIFIC proof of God thread. Yeah.... You prove it by making a fool out of atheism.

You clearly do not know how to read. I told you SCIENCE is not making PROOFS. ehhhhhhhh....... Even tho the thread is named wrong its about science and God and its relations.

This thread if named properly should be called:

Scientists claiming their hypothesis (or even thoeries) disprove or ridicule the existance of God, ridicule and disprove themselves by science.



How does that disprove abiogenesis? ''scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life'' You acknowledge they did produce them. Of course it's a difficult problem but that doesn't disprove it whatsoever LOL. Nice not bias site by the way. ''Creation.com'' Rofl.

Just admit you have blind faith.



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