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August 26, 2017, 04:38:10 PM
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That passage is the passage of the law that helps slave from the abuse... And you say I am deluded?

Torah is a law. And christ have said that law is to protect and not to punish needlessly. It should still be used as a protection law from abomination.

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2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

7th year and he/she is free. Its mostly slaves because of being heavy in debt. They had sold themselves.

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3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

If he is a volountary slave he can cease to be slave. So its more like a contract.

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4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

Children of the slaves are not slaves.

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5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

If slave would want to be with master, the master cannot throw him away.

If that is moraly evil to you...... I don't know what to say.... Its clearly is not evil.

First of all, there shouldn't be any slaves.

 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
Children of the slaves are not slaves.

HuhHuhHuh It clearly says that that if the master gives the slave a wife then the wife and sons will be the master's slaves forever lmao and the slave can only get away by himself, abandoning his family. YES THATS FUCKING EVIL YOU RETARD.

If you think this passage is not helping people with a grave problems that have to ask for help others to help them you are just wicked.... Thats all I have to say.

Thats called slaves but if you could read with understanding and read that passage of slaves as workers, you would see thats amazing social security for workers.

You have a care for your children. Your children can have security in a wealthy family etc etc. Only the wicked people like you would think adopted children would be abused. If they would not want their children to be adopted they can always go and have their children somewhere else. Thats like a workers contract.

Especially the last paragraph. That master cannot throw a homeless guy to the street.

That kind of job security with another passages of fair pay for work in the Bible greatly surpass almost any job security laws we have today. Noone cares about the debters, homelessness joblessness. Here you have all things covered.

If that system of worker security surpases those of today, what can we say about how it was superiour to that times. It was wastly more moral then any other country at that time.

Could you stop using abusive language towards me?

How cute if we change the actual words used in the bible to other words totally, then slavery = "amazing social security"

Equating slaves to workers and slavery to amazing social security, that's a new one.  It's kind of sickening. Lastly I think the KKK might like to hire you as a PR spokes person...

Poverty is worse than slavery.

The 14th Amendment in the USA is the thing that changed blacks into slaves of the US Government. And if you have a birth certificate, you are a 14th Amendment slave, as well. If you think you are not, try being free and smoking some pot in public, in an area where the narcs and cops are watching you, knowing what you are doing.

Smoking pot is something that could freely be done in America before the Constitution, and before the 14th Amendment.

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What's your point? God couldn't think of anything better than slavery? Give me a break badecker, you guys are defending the indefensible

Do I really have to say this again, just to help you think? My point is listed in my post you quoted.

What do you do? Do you simply see that it is a post of mine, and then reply with some stupidity?

Be that as it may, it's okay. There are plenty of funny farms just waiting for you when you wake up some morning slobbering gibberish. It won't be far away, since you are almost doing that right now.

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God himself commanded to kill people for working on the sabbath, god himself let this evil laws happen, god himself killed everyone with the flood because, what? He was mad? A god that gets mad or is it that he failed, a god that fails. It's all bullshit man, can't you see how stupid the stories are? There is no logic to them.

All you are doing is showing that science is a religion for you.     Cheesy

Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

What you said is religion, not science. Therefore it has nothing to do with this topic.

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August 26, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
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Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent
BADecker and Przemax will not engage seriously with any argument, their opinions about the honesty and truth of the Bible are not subject to change, but the wise know that you should never believe in anything "too much".
Astargath, your opinions about the parapsychology research I presented are also not subject to change, so you are not a true skeptic either

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg21071285#msg21071285

Like Astargath, you engage in religion in this scientific topic. Why? Because you don't have any scientific answers.

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August 26, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
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Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent
BADecker and Przemax will not engage seriously with any argument, their opinions about the honesty and truth of the Bible are not subject to change, but the wise know that you should never believe in anything "too much".
Astargath, your opinions about the parapsychology research I presented are also not subject to change, so you are not a true skeptic either

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg21071285#msg21071285

Like Astargath, you engage in religion in this scientific topic. Why? Because you don't have any scientific answers.

Cool

God is religion. There is no scientific theory about god, there is only religion. There is no other way to prove the god from the bible is a hoax than to disprove the bible itself. It's pretty easy. You worship a book written thousands of years ago by retards. I don't blame them, they were ignorant but you should be smart enough today to understand it's all bullshit, evil, immoral, stupid and fictional.



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August 26, 2017, 11:04:41 PM
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Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent
BADecker and Przemax will not engage seriously with any argument, their opinions about the honesty and truth of the Bible are not subject to change, but the wise know that you should never believe in anything "too much".
Astargath, your opinions about the parapsychology research I presented are also not subject to change, so you are not a true skeptic either

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg21071285#msg21071285

Like Astargath, you engage in religion in this scientific topic. Why? Because you don't have any scientific answers.

Cool

God is religion. There is no scientific theory about god, there is only religion. There is no other way to prove the god from the bible is a hoax than to disprove the bible itself. It's pretty easy. You worship a book written thousands of years ago by retards. I don't blame them, they were ignorant but you should be smart enough today to understand it's all bullshit, evil, immoral, stupid and fictional.

There is no scientific theory about God. There is only scientific proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

The scientific proof has nothing to do with any book written thousands of years ago.

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August 27, 2017, 12:46:26 AM
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True origin of the Old Testament examined:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/0567025926/R3V64F41J8UD1H/ref=cm_cr_dp_mb_rvw_1?ie=UTF8&cursor=1
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August 27, 2017, 05:01:33 AM
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Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent
BADecker and Przemax will not engage seriously with any argument, their opinions about the honesty and truth of the Bible are not subject to change, but the wise know that you should never believe in anything "too much".
Astargath, your opinions about the parapsychology research I presented are also not subject to change, so you are not a true skeptic either

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg21071285#msg21071285

Like Astargath, you engage in religion in this scientific topic. Why? Because you don't have any scientific answers.

Cool

God is religion. There is no scientific theory about god, there is only religion. There is no other way to prove the god from the bible is a hoax than to disprove the bible itself. It's pretty easy. You worship a book written thousands of years ago by retards. I don't blame them, they were ignorant but you should be smart enough today to understand it's all bullshit, evil, immoral, stupid and fictional.

There is no scientific theory about God. There is only scientific proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

The scientific proof has nothing to do with any book written thousands of years ago.

Cool

Debunked by yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19455088#msg19455088

And debunked by me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19350390#msg19350390
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19357376#msg19357376

Also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19355289#msg19355289

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19666684#msg19666684



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August 27, 2017, 06:12:41 AM
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I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

Yes we ran out of arguments that evil God exist. I fully agree with you - Evil God does not exist.

Your BoogeyGod that:

- enjoy torture
- abuse children
- want to kill for silly reasons
- want women to be raped
- want people to be slaves

DOES NOT EXIST. So... There could be only Good God.

I know people that had been proven wrong with their thinking are creating a straw man arguments. Your straw God is completly and utterly false.

For example - slaves. Definition of slave in hebrew is not what we picture we abolished. We picture slave as a commodity that could be killed and tortured. We picture slaves that are forever, and that they are innocent.

The worst that could happen to a Hebrew was being an industred servant as we could define now. Volontary servitude of a guy with no obligation we would call now a serving in military, or servitude for God, or even a job contract.

If someone wanted, they could become a lackey (volontarily) - they would be lackey and serve home for life. Exactly how it was after the abolishion of slavery.

I could go on forever... but whats the point. You guys clearly want to believe your straw God. So be it.

Btw as for a someone that does not believe, you are a strong believer. You believe that something that does not exist, you believe is evil, and therefor you believe you are an upgraded monkey, because everything was proven to upgraede itself as a believe in progress. You have 4 times more the ammount of believes than I do.

P.S BTW yeah its a progress. We have agreed on 2 things already. That should be celebrated somehow. I hope you will cease to hate your straw man that is evil deranged mentally ill moron that you think is me. Being hateful makes you die faster on hearth diseases.
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August 29, 2017, 06:52:27 AM
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Look at the invention of man
Copying the nature and animals but no one can all imitate the animals

So thats the proof that there was a powerful God
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August 31, 2017, 09:07:44 AM
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Watch this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gCqMMWEdVg

God is defined in the Bible as governing the physical forces, that a simple shephards could not know to exist.

Nuclear force as in 1:1 genesis

Gravity force as in 7:4 genesis

Act 17:28 Electro magnetism force

Deu 6:4 Unified field.

I would say those sheephard were advanced, we do not give them enough credits.
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August 31, 2017, 10:20:27 AM
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I believe there is a god, the evidence of the earth and the universe
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August 31, 2017, 10:34:11 AM
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I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

Yes we ran out of arguments that evil God exist. I fully agree with you - Evil God does not exist.

Your BoogeyGod that:

- enjoy torture
- abuse children
- want to kill for silly reasons
- want women to be raped
- want people to be slaves

DOES NOT EXIST. So... There could be only Good God.

I know people that had been proven wrong with their thinking are creating a straw man arguments. Your straw God is completly and utterly false.

For example - slaves. Definition of slave in hebrew is not what we picture we abolished. We picture slave as a commodity that could be killed and tortured. We picture slaves that are forever, and that they are innocent.

The worst that could happen to a Hebrew was being an industred servant as we could define now. Volontary servitude of a guy with no obligation we would call now a serving in military, or servitude for God, or even a job contract.

If someone wanted, they could become a lackey (volontarily) - they would be lackey and serve home for life. Exactly how it was after the abolishion of slavery.

I could go on forever... but whats the point. You guys clearly want to believe your straw God. So be it.

Btw as for a someone that does not believe, you are a strong believer. You believe that something that does not exist, you believe is evil, and therefor you believe you are an upgraded monkey, because everything was proven to upgraede itself as a believe in progress. You have 4 times more the ammount of believes than I do.

P.S BTW yeah its a progress. We have agreed on 2 things already. That should be celebrated somehow. I hope you will cease to hate your straw man that is evil deranged mentally ill moron that you think is me. Being hateful makes you die faster on hearth diseases.

A god that uses eternal torture, kills everyone because they don't believe in him, accepts slavery, says being gay is a sin because he says so, no other real reason is not a good god. Is an evil and stupid god because the people who wrote the bible were also stupid so they couldn't make god look like a god. I would write a better bible than them.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46

Clearly doesn't support slavery, right?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11

BUT HEY THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST AN EVIL STUPID BOOK, RIGHT?

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

but hey if they recover, nothing happens since is their property hehe.

However: An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Makes total sense so far

Also : “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

You can beat your slaves if they don't die but don't you dare cursing your mother because you will be put to death. Seriously, are you this delusional?



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August 31, 2017, 12:07:22 PM
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I am not against your theory. And I dont believe in any religion, as I read many of the Holy books.
But I have some research also. When there was nothing is the universe .. not a single particle just the darkness .. these was a sound. All the things are produced by it. If you name any god just go back to that age when there was not a single planet . What was there ? God may be as we say. But with no shape or color or a material. But something happened and all the production cycle started. Try to think about it. Its something practically sound.

A sound exists today also within all of us. Can be heard in a deep silence. also under water.. everywhere . Its in every living thing .. inside us .. Can be named as god.

And yes he exists. As per my practical observation, anyone can experience it Smiley
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i agree with all post

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August 31, 2017, 12:45:51 PM
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I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

Yes we ran out of arguments that evil God exist. I fully agree with you - Evil God does not exist.

Your BoogeyGod that:

- enjoy torture
- abuse children
- want to kill for silly reasons
- want women to be raped
- want people to be slaves

DOES NOT EXIST. So... There could be only Good God.

I know people that had been proven wrong with their thinking are creating a straw man arguments. Your straw God is completly and utterly false.

For example - slaves. Definition of slave in hebrew is not what we picture we abolished. We picture slave as a commodity that could be killed and tortured. We picture slaves that are forever, and that they are innocent.

The worst that could happen to a Hebrew was being an industred servant as we could define now. Volontary servitude of a guy with no obligation we would call now a serving in military, or servitude for God, or even a job contract.

If someone wanted, they could become a lackey (volontarily) - they would be lackey and serve home for life. Exactly how it was after the abolishion of slavery.

I could go on forever... but whats the point. You guys clearly want to believe your straw God. So be it.

Btw as for a someone that does not believe, you are a strong believer. You believe that something that does not exist, you believe is evil, and therefor you believe you are an upgraded monkey, because everything was proven to upgraede itself as a believe in progress. You have 4 times more the ammount of believes than I do.

P.S BTW yeah its a progress. We have agreed on 2 things already. That should be celebrated somehow. I hope you will cease to hate your straw man that is evil deranged mentally ill moron that you think is me. Being hateful makes you die faster on hearth diseases.

A god that uses eternal torture, kills everyone because they don't believe in him, accepts slavery, says being gay is a sin because he says so, no other real reason is not a good god. Is an evil and stupid god because the people who wrote the bible were also stupid so they couldn't make god look like a god. I would write a better bible than them.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46

Clearly doesn't support slavery, right?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11

BUT HEY THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST AN EVIL STUPID BOOK, RIGHT?

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

but hey if they recover, nothing happens since is their property hehe.

However: An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Makes total sense so far

Also : “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

You can beat your slaves if they don't die but don't you dare cursing your mother because you will be put to death. Seriously, are you this delusional?

Read Jesus - he have an answer for all your doubts. If you do not understand yet - read again if again no understanding .... oh well....

Then you cannot understand the laws of the God's protection. Why would God protect the ones that refuse him? If someone is not under his law he could be in the human law. And all the "evil" you portrait is the laws outside of israel at that times. So yeah... why a person should not be treated with human law if he is not agreeing with the God law?

If you do not understand the word protection and distinction between human law and divine protection and allowing foreigners to be treated with human law of that time. What can I say....

I can only say read Jesus again... If you still does not understand..... You can always try again. Jesus was ONLY talking about torah and how to interpret it. Nothing else in his ministry.

If you still don't understand - ask some pastor. If you still are not satisfied - ask another.

If you want to prove your point at all costs - you will not get it, you have too hard neck.
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I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

Yes we ran out of arguments that evil God exist. I fully agree with you - Evil God does not exist.

Your BoogeyGod that:

- enjoy torture
- abuse children
- want to kill for silly reasons
- want women to be raped
- want people to be slaves

DOES NOT EXIST. So... There could be only Good God.

I know people that had been proven wrong with their thinking are creating a straw man arguments. Your straw God is completly and utterly false.

For example - slaves. Definition of slave in hebrew is not what we picture we abolished. We picture slave as a commodity that could be killed and tortured. We picture slaves that are forever, and that they are innocent.

The worst that could happen to a Hebrew was being an industred servant as we could define now. Volontary servitude of a guy with no obligation we would call now a serving in military, or servitude for God, or even a job contract.

If someone wanted, they could become a lackey (volontarily) - they would be lackey and serve home for life. Exactly how it was after the abolishion of slavery.

I could go on forever... but whats the point. You guys clearly want to believe your straw God. So be it.

Btw as for a someone that does not believe, you are a strong believer. You believe that something that does not exist, you believe is evil, and therefor you believe you are an upgraded monkey, because everything was proven to upgraede itself as a believe in progress. You have 4 times more the ammount of believes than I do.

P.S BTW yeah its a progress. We have agreed on 2 things already. That should be celebrated somehow. I hope you will cease to hate your straw man that is evil deranged mentally ill moron that you think is me. Being hateful makes you die faster on hearth diseases.

A god that uses eternal torture, kills everyone because they don't believe in him, accepts slavery, says being gay is a sin because he says so, no other real reason is not a good god. Is an evil and stupid god because the people who wrote the bible were also stupid so they couldn't make god look like a god. I would write a better bible than them.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46

Clearly doesn't support slavery, right?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11

BUT HEY THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST AN EVIL STUPID BOOK, RIGHT?

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

but hey if they recover, nothing happens since is their property hehe.

However: An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Makes total sense so far

Also : “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

You can beat your slaves if they don't die but don't you dare cursing your mother because you will be put to death. Seriously, are you this delusional?

Read Jesus - he have an answer for all your doubts. If you do not understand yet - read again if again no understanding .... oh well....

Then you cannot understand the laws of the God's protection. Why would God protect the ones that refuse him? If someone is not under his law he could be in the human law. And all the "evil" you portrait is the laws outside of israel at that times. So yeah... why a person should not be treated with human law if he is not agreeing with the God law?

If you do not understand the word protection and distinction between human law and divine protection and allowing foreigners to be treated with human law of that time. What can I say....

I can only say read Jesus again... If you still does not understand..... You can always try again. Jesus was ONLY talking about torah and how to interpret it. Nothing else in his ministry.

If you still don't understand - ask some pastor. If you still are not satisfied - ask another.

If you want to prove your point at all costs - you will not get it, you have too hard neck.

Yeah I thought so, I understand it perfectly mate. Why would god allow such barbaric and retarded rules? Even if all of them didn't accept god it still makes no sense that he would set such retarded rules which are not just evil but retarded as well. You have no argument here, you are just rambling with your ''read jesus'' I have read the bible plenty of times, it's full of shit as indicated above, you are delusional.

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her

You can sell your daughter as a slave, god thinks is fine. You also seem to think is fine because you are delusional.

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God.


And be aware that the woman didn't do anything wrong, she may even be a believer but it doesn't matter.

God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God’s sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment. The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them.

And what is the point of eternal torture anyways, what is accomplished?

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it.  He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.  This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.  Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away.  Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house.




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August 31, 2017, 03:43:29 PM
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I dont believe in this. if he really exits why he make me like this

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I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent

Yes we ran out of arguments that evil God exist. I fully agree with you - Evil God does not exist.

Your BoogeyGod that:

- enjoy torture
- abuse children
- want to kill for silly reasons
- want women to be raped
- want people to be slaves

DOES NOT EXIST. So... There could be only Good God.

I know people that had been proven wrong with their thinking are creating a straw man arguments. Your straw God is completly and utterly false.

For example - slaves. Definition of slave in hebrew is not what we picture we abolished. We picture slave as a commodity that could be killed and tortured. We picture slaves that are forever, and that they are innocent.

The worst that could happen to a Hebrew was being an industred servant as we could define now. Volontary servitude of a guy with no obligation we would call now a serving in military, or servitude for God, or even a job contract.

If someone wanted, they could become a lackey (volontarily) - they would be lackey and serve home for life. Exactly how it was after the abolishion of slavery.

I could go on forever... but whats the point. You guys clearly want to believe your straw God. So be it.

Btw as for a someone that does not believe, you are a strong believer. You believe that something that does not exist, you believe is evil, and therefor you believe you are an upgraded monkey, because everything was proven to upgraede itself as a believe in progress. You have 4 times more the ammount of believes than I do.

P.S BTW yeah its a progress. We have agreed on 2 things already. That should be celebrated somehow. I hope you will cease to hate your straw man that is evil deranged mentally ill moron that you think is me. Being hateful makes you die faster on hearth diseases.

A god that uses eternal torture, kills everyone because they don't believe in him, accepts slavery, says being gay is a sin because he says so, no other real reason is not a good god. Is an evil and stupid god because the people who wrote the bible were also stupid so they couldn't make god look like a god. I would write a better bible than them.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46

Clearly doesn't support slavery, right?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11

BUT HEY THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST AN EVIL STUPID BOOK, RIGHT?

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

but hey if they recover, nothing happens since is their property hehe.

However: An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Makes total sense so far

Also : “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

You can beat your slaves if they don't die but don't you dare cursing your mother because you will be put to death. Seriously, are you this delusional?

Read Jesus - he have an answer for all your doubts. If you do not understand yet - read again if again no understanding .... oh well....

Then you cannot understand the laws of the God's protection. Why would God protect the ones that refuse him? If someone is not under his law he could be in the human law. And all the "evil" you portrait is the laws outside of israel at that times. So yeah... why a person should not be treated with human law if he is not agreeing with the God law?

If you do not understand the word protection and distinction between human law and divine protection and allowing foreigners to be treated with human law of that time. What can I say....

I can only say read Jesus again... If you still does not understand..... You can always try again. Jesus was ONLY talking about torah and how to interpret it. Nothing else in his ministry.

If you still don't understand - ask some pastor. If you still are not satisfied - ask another.

If you want to prove your point at all costs - you will not get it, you have too hard neck.

Yeah I thought so, I understand it perfectly mate. Why would god allow such barbaric and retarded rules? Even if all of them didn't accept god it still makes no sense that he would set such retarded rules which are not just evil but retarded as well. You have no argument here, you are just rambling with your ''read jesus'' I have read the bible plenty of times, it's full of shit as indicated above, you are delusional.

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her

You can sell your daughter as a slave, god thinks is fine. You also seem to think is fine because you are delusional.

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God.


And be aware that the woman didn't do anything wrong, she may even be a believer but it doesn't matter.

God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God’s sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment. The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them.

And what is the point of eternal torture anyways, what is accomplished?

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it.  He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.  This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.  Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away.  Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house.



I have a question - do you want to understand or you just going to nitpick. If you want to understand I can try to make you understand.

Btw with this rape its a very bad translation. It is not even near of this in the original. If one would be cought raping a woman he will have to leave the Izraelites or die.

You have your own idea and you will not give it up. Why should I waste time on you? Those whole issues are answered everywhere in the Bible. Taking those things into account without the possibility of bad translation is just wrong.

Everything bad or evil is more or less the result of free will. I could explain that to you - but you would not want to understand. You just want to accuse. So be it.
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August 31, 2017, 04:50:52 PM
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I dont believe in this. if he really exits why he make me like this

To show you that you make yourself worse by willingly not believing in Him.

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August 31, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
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Cute response that has nothing to do with what I said. I guess you ran out of retarded arguments to defend the evil god that you worship which is also non existent
BADecker and Przemax will not engage seriously with any argument, their opinions about the honesty and truth of the Bible are not subject to change, but the wise know that you should never believe in anything "too much".
Astargath, your opinions about the parapsychology research I presented are also not subject to change, so you are not a true skeptic either

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg21071285#msg21071285

How many copies of the Phoenix Journals are there? If we didn't have the printing press, and copy and paste in the computer, there would be only one copy... the original. Why? Because nobody would ever re-copy that crap by hand.

The Bible has strength. There are some 25,000 copies of the Old Testament that were done by hand before the printing press was invented. The Bible has power.

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