Scientific proof that God exists?

[QuestionAuthority]

I found this authentic picture of god creating the universe.

The picture was drawn on papyrus and found under a huge pile of camel shit inside a cave under Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi house (in between the rocket launchers and the Al-Qaeda collectible trading cards).

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[Squishy01]

I am a Catholic, but I am not at all religious. However, I believe that you can't really scientifically prove that God exists as that is the whole point of religion, to trust your faith.

[BADecker]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

[BADecker]

I found this authentic picture of god creating the universe.

The picture was drawn on papyrus and found under a huge pile of camel shit inside a cave under Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi house (in between the rocket launchers and the Al-Qaeda collectible trading cards).

In the same way that a person cannot view the depth and scope of the macrocosm and microcosm, a person cannot view God.

Roger Ver said (at Anarchapulco 4) that if a person picks on you, personally, he is acting like a second-grade-child. It is only after a person gets some knowledge that he starts to see how to use that knowledge.

How much more childish and simplistic is he if he picks on God?!

[Joshgod]

This really amazes me.  it also make my mind at rest because science is beginning to accept that God lives

[BADecker]

This really amazes me.  it also make my mind at rest because science is beginning to accept that God lives

Here is a link to a Forbes article where the person is trying to be an apologist for the possibility of earth and life on it, without the need for God. The author tries to show that things absolutely could come into being by themselves, without God. But when you look at the whole article from a summary standpoint, it essentially destroys itself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/01/20/can-science-prove-the-existence-of-god/#46df5c555ada

[Tres_row]

Always use critical thinking while reading such stuff. I can't see any real proofs or at least sources of info

[Astargath]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

You are trying to prove god here yet you give him characteristics. How do you know ''You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God'' ?

''You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity'' How did you figure that out and even if it's close to infinity, how does that prove that it wasn't created by multiple gods or entities?

[Vod]

How are any of this dense fool's opinions considered fact?

Experiment and observe and repeat.  That is how you get proof.

You guys are arguing against nonsense. 

[kabilie]

Mmmh, doesn't seem right to me. science.

[BADecker]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

You are trying to prove god here yet you give him characteristics. How do you know ''You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God'' ?

''You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity'' How did you figure that out and even if it's close to infinity, how does that prove that it wasn't created by multiple gods or entities?

You quoted the answers to your questions, above.   

[virgiliolaguda49]

there is no scientific proof that exist but you can feel that god exist through your undying faith and believing of what you feel inside in your heart, if your faith is so strong and believe that there is the existence of God so there's no need of scientific proof that God exist.

[Astargath]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

You are trying to prove god here yet you give him characteristics. How do you know ''You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God'' ?

''You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity'' How did you figure that out and even if it's close to infinity, how does that prove that it wasn't created by multiple gods or entities?

You quoted the answers to your questions, above.   

You are trying to prove god here yet you know ''god'' has knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength almost to infinity. How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.

You claim the complexity of the universe is almost to infinity, how did you calculate this? How are you measuring the universe complexity?

Come on badecker, you are done, just admit it.

[Vod]

there is no scientific proof that exist but you can feel that god exist through your undying faith and believing of what you feel inside in your heart, if your faith is so strong and believe that there is the existence of God so there's no need of scientific proof that God exist.

Simple belief is not enough anymore.  Maybe it worked in the dark ages, but today people are more educated and less gullible - they are going to want proof of some sky fairy.

Since religion is just a belief system not based in science, you cannot provide proof.

It really is that simple. You'd have to be very dense to not understand it. 

According to Pew Research Center:
In 2007, 78.4% of those researched called themselves christian.
In 2014, that number was 70.6%.
The number that are being actively brainwashed is actually much lower, as many people don't go to churches anymore, choosing instead to make their god what they want it to be instead of what a pedophile priest wants it to be.  Calling yourself a "christian" today just means you believe in something - not the most mis-translated book of all time.

People are waking up faster than ever. In a few years, people like BD will be considered idiots by the general population, instead of just here on the forum. 

[delton22]

science doesn't need to proof it, there is GOD

[BADecker]

You are trying to prove god here yet you know ''god'' has knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength almost to infinity. How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.

You claim the complexity of the universe is almost to infinity, how did you calculate this? How are you measuring the universe complexity?

Come on badecker, you are done, just admit it.

You are a bit right about me being done... in certain ways.

Since you are agreeing with the idea of the "knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength" of God "almost to infinity," we can finally move on from here into the details that we have not covered so far.

Now that I am done with having to re-explain about the existence of the scientific proof for the existence of God, we can move on into how that scientific proof works.

[Astargath]

You are trying to prove god here yet you know ''god'' has knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength almost to infinity. How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.

You claim the complexity of the universe is almost to infinity, how did you calculate this? How are you measuring the universe complexity?

Come on badecker, you are done, just admit it.

You are a bit right about me being done... in certain ways.

Since you are agreeing with the idea of the "knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength" of God "almost to infinity," we can finally move on from here into the details that we have not covered so far.

Now that I am done with having to re-explain about the existence of the scientific proof for the existence of God, we can move on into how that scientific proof works.

Where did I agree with that idea? I asked you '' How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.'' Since you just claimed something out of your ass.

You never explained how you know the complexity of the universe is almost infinite. Don't try to escape, your argument is garbage, debunked several times.

[BADecker]

You are trying to prove god here yet you know ''god'' has knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength almost to infinity. How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.

You claim the complexity of the universe is almost to infinity, how did you calculate this? How are you measuring the universe complexity?

Come on badecker, you are done, just admit it.

You are a bit right about me being done... in certain ways.

Since you are agreeing with the idea of the "knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength" of God "almost to infinity," we can finally move on from here into the details that we have not covered so far.

Now that I am done with having to re-explain about the existence of the scientific proof for the existence of God, we can move on into how that scientific proof works.

Where did I agree with that idea? I asked you '' How do you know all this? You said it yourself, we don't know what's outside the universe.'' Since you just claimed something out of your ass.

You never explained how you know the complexity of the universe is almost infinite. Don't try to escape, your argument is garbage, debunked several times.

Since you can't come up with any science against what I say, you are agreeing with me, possibly in spite of yourself.

We know certain aspects of what MUST lie outside the universe, in a way similar to knowing that empty space (nothing) exists. We do it by scientifically measuring relationships between things that exist.

I suppose that, potentially, space (nothing) doesn't exist at all. It is possible that we and everything else exist on a plane, and the reason why we seem to have distance is because of energy transference and energy relationships between all planar objects (us and all material), in ways that we don't understand. But to think like this would be getting into flat earth science, somewhat.

The point is that, regarding C&E, entropy, and complexity as we scientifically know them, Something exists out there (as you have stated in some of your posts) that matches the scientific aspects of the definitions of the word "God."


In other words, this forum and thread are not places to go to get into the precise hows and whys of the operations of everything. But scientists essentially agree with the things that I say, even if they won't admit it, readily. Since you can't explain your supposed debunking of anything that I said, you have debunked your debunking, yourself, by not understanding what you say.

[Gintas0873]

That depends on your standard of proof. Having said that, what do you think have been proven to exist, according to your standard.

[Gintas0873]

That depends on your standard of proof. Having said that, what do you think have been proven to exist, according to your standard.