Scientific proof that God exists?

[notbatman]

Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.

[Astargath]

''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.

It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you.Since all we see is one , it is one... at least until we find that it is not one.

As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things:
1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God;
2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition.

I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself.

So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God."


You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact.

"Since all we see is one" All we see is one? I just saw 100 cars and 200 different people, what do you mean all we see is one? Your illogical thoughts are meaningless.

1. Logical fallacy, argument from ignorance.
2. Argument from ignorance

You repeated that nothing creates itself but how can you know that? Do you know everything in the universe? Have you been there every time something was created?

You repeat "outside the universe" but show no evidence of such.

[BADecker]

^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.

I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something  creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.

You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.

[Astargath]

^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.

I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something  creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.

You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.

But you always argue against the dating methods becuase we dont know if physics worked the same way in the past and yet here you contradict yourself by saying that everything must have a creator because all you have seen has creators but you only knoe like 0.000000000001% of the universe, what makes you so sure that even though that 0.000000000001% has creators means the rest also does??
All the stuff I see is one and many, i see many people, many buildings, etc, your are talking nonsense.

[BARADED]

And maybe, - the first woman has started talking, - soul of the person lives in his hands? Because all, what we do in peace, we do hands». (c) Ray Bradbury "Embroidery"

[Astargath]

Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.

Show me the scientific proof that we do not live in a simulation or that we were not created by super intelligent shape shifting aliens or that any of the other gods did not create us instead. You are a goof.

[BADecker]

^^^ But you often say things about what I said that are inaccurate. You say false things about what I say.

Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.

You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.


You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.

[Astargath]

^^^ But you often say things about what I said that are inaccurate. You say false things about what I say.

Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.

You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.


You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.

''Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing'' I don't have to, you are the one who claims nothing can create itself from nothing, I never said that. I don't know if something can create itself from nothing and I also don't know if everything was created by something, you are the one claiming that but you have no proof of it.

[BADecker]

^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?

The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.

[Astargath]

^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?

The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.

Of course I dont know, how would I know if something can create itself from nothing?

Yet you keep claiming that nothing can create itself because.. what? Because you know the cause of 0.0000000000001% of things in the universe? The odds are not in your favor.

[Kriptonian1661]

God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guiding us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

[Astargath]

God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Than just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Exactly, if god wanted us to know about him he would know exactly how to do it and without tampering with our free will.

[CryptoAleczar]

Well, let's say you have proven that God is there, what will change in your life? will you stop being afraid of death and is that all? Why know whether he is or not, you can simply believe in his existence, this will not change your life. But if you want to learn more about God, read the older texts and books, not the editors of our time.

[BADecker]

God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Than just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Exactly, if god wanted us to know about him he would know exactly how to do it and without tampering with our free will.

God wants us to know about Him. The reason why some of us claim there is no God, is that God isn't tampering with our free will.

The Bible tells about God, because God wants us to know about Him. If we reject the Bible, it is of our own free will.

Nature shows us about God. If we reject God in nature, we do it by our own free will.

[BADecker]

^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?

The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.

Of course I dont know, how would I know if something can create itself from nothing?

Yet you keep claiming that nothing can create itself because.. what? Because you know the cause of 0.0000000000001% of things in the universe? The odds are not in your favor.

Exactly the point. All around us things are being created by other things. Never has something been found that created itself from scratch. The magnitude of the numbers to zero shows that something creating itself is impossible. Even scientific applications show this in probability.

Because of what the universe is, its creator falls into the classification of God. Only a God could make the universe. Or do you know of something else that could make it... something that would not fall into the classification of God?

[Astargath]

God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Than just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Exactly, if god wanted us to know about him he would know exactly how to do it and without tampering with our free will.

God wants us to know about Him. The reason why some of us claim there is no God, is that God isn't tampering with our free will.

The Bible tells about God, because God wants us to know about Him. If we reject the Bible, it is of our own free will.

Nature shows us about God. If we reject God in nature, we do it by our own free will.

Duh, clearly the bible is NOT the best way to convince people, otherwise everyone would be convinced about god's existence already. If an all powerful god wanted to convince me of his existence he would be easily able to do it without revoking my free will and yet he hasnt. God either doesnt exist or doesnt want me to be convinced

[Astargath]

^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?

The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.

Of course I dont know, how would I know if something can create itself from nothing?

Yet you keep claiming that nothing can create itself because.. what? Because you know the cause of 0.0000000000001% of things in the universe? The odds are not in your favor.

Exactly the point. All around us things are being created by other things. Never has something been found that created itself from scratch. The magnitude of the numbers to zero shows that something creating itself is impossible. Even scientific applications show this in probability.

Because of what the universe is, its creator falls into the classification of God. Only a God could make the universe. Or do you know of something else that could make it... something that would not fall into the classification of God?

Radioactive decay always works in the same way, there has never been any recorded instance where radioactive decay hasnt worked the way it does. The magnitude of the numbers shows that its impossible for it to have been different in the past therefore dating methods are accurate and prove the bible to be a hoax.

[BADecker]

Radioactive decay always works in the same way, there has never been any recorded instance where radioactive decay hasnt worked the way it does. The magnitude of the numbers shows that its impossible for it to have been different in the past therefore dating methods are accurate and prove the bible to be a hoax.

Radioactive decay (RD) doesn't exist without some material that decays. This means that the formation of a particular material must be done simultaneously with the beginning of the decay of that material. This being the case, RD doesn't tell us anything until we know when the material was formed. If the material formed millions of years ago, there was simply a bigger chunk of it than if it formed 10,000 years ago. RD tells us nothing about length of time.

With different kinds of materials, RD always works differently. That's the reason we have different half-lifes for different materials.

You are assuming way too much when you assume that things in the past operated exactly as they do now. Just because RD has worked as it does now for several hundred or thousand years, doesn't meant that time, itself, wasn't different in the past. Such difference might easily affect how RD worked then.

The closest we can come to dating has to do with pottery-like dating methods, and mitochondria-like dating. The further we go back, the vaguer it becomes.

So far, the religious writings are more accurate than any science writings that we have. Why? Because the religious writings show people doing the writing. And if they are simply recording things, these records are most accurate - eye witness records.

[Astargath]

Radioactive decay always works in the same way, there has never been any recorded instance where radioactive decay hasnt worked the way it does. The magnitude of the numbers shows that its impossible for it to have been different in the past therefore dating methods are accurate and prove the bible to be a hoax.

Radioactive decay (RD) doesn't exist without some material that decays. This means that the formation of a particular material must be done simultaneously with the beginning of the decay of that material. This being the case, RD doesn't tell us anything until we know when the material was formed. If the material formed millions of years ago, there was simply a bigger chunk of it than if it formed 10,000 years ago. RD tells us nothing about length of time.

With different kinds of materials, RD always works differently. That's the reason we have different half-lifes for different materials.

You are assuming way too much when you assume that things in the past operated exactly as they do now. Just because RD has worked as it does now for several hundred or thousand years, doesn't meant that time, itself, wasn't different in the past. Such difference might easily affect how RD worked then.

The closest we can come to dating has to do with pottery-like dating methods, and mitochondria-like dating. The further we go back, the vaguer it becomes.

So far, the religious writings are more accurate than any science writings that we have. Why? Because the religious writings show people doing the writing. And if they are simply recording things, these records are most accurate - eye witness records.

Haha, got you, you fell for it like I thought you would. So "You are assuming way too much when you assume that things in the past operated exactly as they do now"
Aren't you assuming that everything in the past also operated the same way when you claim everything has and had a cause? so fun to use your own logic against your arguments haha

[MFahad]

God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Firstly you should behavior yourself, you have no right to talk with any religious and use name of religious's books in this tone.
If you have knowledge about these books ( Bible and Quran), then you don't need to ask us about God.
You are blind man who doesn't see anything around yourself and blame to God. Where God said that God doesn't want us to know him?