Scientific proof that God exists?

[notbatman]

^^^ The Bermuda Triangle is where the rockets that NASA uses to fake outer space and "universe" go after they're launched.

Your opinion has less value than a BFL pre-order.

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[Astargath]

I was that kind of guy that didn't belief in anything. I need to admit that I was wrong! I came across Yoga and Meditation a few years ago and it completely changed my life! I went from non-believer, to believer. That's when things started to go the way I wanted it go.

We are all master of our destiny. We all know inside of us what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do. They call that our conscience, that's the part of us that tell us we did it right or that we did it wrong. Everybody has it, we can not denied it. And still, there is no scientific proof that it exist. It's like gravity! People only belief in things they can see and still make use of things they don't see every day of their lives.

I can not say that I'm right here, but I can proudly say that I rather be wrong believing there is something greater than us, than to be right that there is nothing... If there is something greater than us, and that this life is only a preparation for the next one, wouldn't you want to be prepared for it? If there is nothing, there is nothing! But what if there is something? I rather be ready to confront it instead of being there like a dumb ass who thought that this life was only meant to pay bills and die. No. Me, I say NO. No matter what they say, I refuse to believe that all this intelligence inside of us was just made to pay the bills and die. There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.


Anyway, my point is that if you don't belief in magic, you'll never find it...

''There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.'' So aren't you basically saying there is no intelligent creator because the earth is a mess?

I don't have to believe in elephants to find them, scientists didn't have to believe in gravity before finding about it. Your argument is trash. Also yoga or meditation are not magic and of course they work but it's not magic lol.

Can you prove that you can find magic without believing in it?

Can you prove everything has a cause? Can you prove all things have only 1 creator? Can you prove there is such thing as an outside the universe? Nope, you cant and thats why your argument is trash.

[BADecker]

Can you prove that you can find magic without believing in it?

Can you prove everything has a cause? Can you prove all things have only 1 creator? Can you prove there is such thing as an outside the universe? Nope, you cant and thats why your argument is trash.

I have shown you the scientific proof for these things, along with the scientific proof for God... at least several times. Since you won't accept it, you are proving that you don't accept science, and that your pseudoscience falls into the class of sci-fi religion.

[Kriptonian1661]

Drop this argument, there is probably a entity that probably created the whole universum. But we should put our focus on the life on earth not put our effort into discovering "god". We should evolve step by step and leave this old dogmas in the past..

[BADecker]

Drop this argument, there is probably a entity that probably created the whole universum. But we should put our focus on the life on earth not put our effort into discovering "god". We should evolve step by step and leave this old dogmas in the past..

Except for one major point. Entropy.

The entropy we brought into existence by not perfectly doing the things that the Creator designed us for, is destroying the whole universe. Actually, the universe would have been destroyed at the instant that we brought entropy into being, if the Creator had not maintained it in addition to His creating of it.

So, ignoring the Creator is like biting the hand that feeds you so hard that it destroys the whole universe.

[Kriptonian1661]

Drop this argument, there is probably a entity that probably created the whole universum. But we should put our focus on the life on earth not put our effort into discovering "god". We should evolve step by step and leave this old dogmas in the past..

Except for one major point. Entropy.

The entropy we brought into existence by not perfectly doing the things that the Creator designed us for, is destroying the whole universe. Actually, the universe would have been destroyed at the instant that we brought entropy into being, if the Creator had not maintained it in addition to His creating of it.

So, ignoring the Creator is like biting the hand that feeds you so hard that it destroys the whole universe.

I am not saying we should ignore the Creator, i am saying we should cherish his works subconsciously and think about it/him the best way we can. Not create some Cults and Religions around his deed. We should just live while paying respects to the Entity.

Entropy is a never ending cycle so there can be no life without it..

[Astargath]

Can you prove that you can find magic without believing in it?

Can you prove everything has a cause? Can you prove all things have only 1 creator? Can you prove there is such thing as an outside the universe? Nope, you cant and thats why your argument is trash.

I have shown you the scientific proof for these things, along with the scientific proof for God... at least several times. Since you won't accept it, you are proving that you don't accept science, and that your pseudoscience falls into the class of sci-fi religion.

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things. How many different objects are here on earth? How many hundreds of thousands of rocks, plants, animals are there? Do you know the cause of each and one of them? No, you might know the cause of 0.00001% of the things that exist here on earth and that's now, what about all the thousands of years before? What about the whole solar system? Galaxy? The point is that you know perhaps something like 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of things that have a cause, that is not a significant statistic, in any case it would show the possibility of something having no cause to be still quite great.

[BADecker]

I am not saying we should ignore the Creator, i am saying we should cherish his works subconsciously and think about it/him the best way we can. Not create some Cults and Religions around his deed. We should just live while paying respects to the Entity.

Entropy is a never ending cycle so there can be no life without it..

What is religion you are talking about? The definition of religion shows that religion can be formal or informal - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion - and that we all have religion one way or another. Why not join with others of the same religion as yours? After all, there is strength in numbers.

The idea of entropy as a cycle is science promotion, because science is too weak to, in a scientific way, understand how the universe is decaying.

As the swing of the pendulum gradually diminishes, even so the universe is slowing down - entropy. The only reason it doesn't slow to a stop almost instantaneously, is the mercy of God towards people. God is exerting more into the perpetual motion universe He made, than He did when He started it... just to keep it running long enough to save some of the souls He placed into it.

[BADecker]

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things.

This might be a hint of lack of proof IF there had been something that was found that was truly spontaneous. However, science doesn't really know how to understand real spontaneity, to say nothing about having found it. So far, real spontaneity is quite the philosophical question.

[Astargath]

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things.

This might be a hint of lack of proof IF there had been something that was found that was truly spontaneous. However, science doesn't really know how to understand real spontaneity, to say nothing about having found it. So far, real spontaneity is quite the philosophical question.

Being or not a philosophical question has nothing to do with the fact that you are claiming to know for sure that everything has a cause and YOU said, you knew because statistically most things seem to have a cause but statistically we only know a super small amount of causes, statistically you have not proven that everything has a cause.

[BADecker]

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things.

This might be a hint of lack of proof IF there had been something that was found that was truly spontaneous. However, science doesn't really know how to understand real spontaneity, to say nothing about having found it. So far, real spontaneity is quite the philosophical question.

Being or not a philosophical question has nothing to do with the fact that you are claiming to know for sure that everything has a cause and YOU said, you knew because statistically most things seem to have a cause but statistically we only know a super small amount of causes, statistically you have not proven that everything has a cause.

I'm simply repeating standard science, which you seem to set aside for your religion... and for the part of science that is religion-like if someone believes it.

[Astargath]

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things.

This might be a hint of lack of proof IF there had been something that was found that was truly spontaneous. However, science doesn't really know how to understand real spontaneity, to say nothing about having found it. So far, real spontaneity is quite the philosophical question.

Being or not a philosophical question has nothing to do with the fact that you are claiming to know for sure that everything has a cause and YOU said, you knew because statistically most things seem to have a cause but statistically we only know a super small amount of causes, statistically you have not proven that everything has a cause.

I'm simply repeating standard science, which you seem to set aside for your religion... and for the part of science that is religion-like if someone believes it.

There is no standard or not standard science that says everything has a cause, that's just something you made up and have no evidence to back it up. Even if you could prove everything has a cause, the problem of multiple creators is still there.

[BADecker]

There is no standard or not standard science that says everything has a cause, that's just something you made up and have no evidence to back it up. Even if you could prove everything has a cause, the problem of multiple creators is still there.

That I said that^^ is something you made up. In addition, it doesn't have anything to do with proving God or not. Why are you so against me that you go off-topic all the time just to try to damage me? Oh yes. You are adamantly against God... just another proof that He exists.

  

EDIT: Science consensus says that when there are multitudes of things that happen in a certain way, with nothing in opposition to that happening, the happening is accepted as factual. Cause and effect is known way beyond the 10⁴⁰ to zero (or whatever it is) number of happenings that make it scientifically a fact in everything. If one truly, pure-spontaneous thing were found, it would put a dent in the C&E fact. But it wouldn't destroy it... scientifically.

[notbatman]

As long as you (BADecker) keep claiming the Copernican model is a fact when it's provably false, Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific arguments when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of shit.

I suspect you engage in this behaviour with the intent of allowing Astargath to push your shit down in some sort of twisted good cop bad cop false dichotomy. Your sewing a duck's bill onto an otters face and claiming it's proof the platypus is a real animal.

[BADecker]

As long as you (BADecker) keep claiming the Copernican model is a fact when it's provably false, Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific arguments when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of shit.

I suspect you engage in this behaviour with the intent of allowing Astargath to push your shit down in some sort of twisted good cop bad cop false dichotomy. Your sewing a duck's bill onto an otters face and claiming it's proof the platypus is a real animal.

As long as you (notbatman) keep claiming the Copernican model is a false when it's provably been shown true via all kinds of science, math, and direct observation. Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific claims when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of s***y pseudoscience.

I hope you don't mind too badly that I copied you a bit. You said it about yourself so nicely.

Please remember to check in at the funny farm desk for you meds. If you don't, you might just lose your self-humor, and we will stop coming for our good laugh.

[notbatman]

^^^ you gonna have some 'splainin to do.

[BADecker]

^^^ you gonna have some 'splainin to do.

My "'splainin" is covered by the blood of Jesus. How about yours (your 'splainin)... which hasn't worked so far?

[Astargath]

There is no standard or not standard science that says everything has a cause, that's just something you made up and have no evidence to back it up. Even if you could prove everything has a cause, the problem of multiple creators is still there.

That I said that^^ is something you made up. In addition, it doesn't have anything to do with proving God or not. Why are you so against me that you go off-topic all the time just to try to damage me? Oh yes. You are adamantly against God... just another proof that He exists.

  

EDIT: Science consensus says that when there are multitudes of things that happen in a certain way, with nothing in opposition to that happening, the happening is accepted as factual. Cause and effect is known way beyond the 10⁴⁰ to zero (or whatever it is) number of happenings that make it scientifically a fact in everything. If one truly, pure-spontaneous thing were found, it would put a dent in the C&E fact. But it wouldn't destroy it... scientifically.

Can i know which science consensus says that when there are "multitudes" of things that happen in the same way it means everything else also happens that way? How much is multitudes? 10, 2000, 1 million?

And if thats the case, all the things we know that have a cause, were caused by humans or nature, not god, so there are 0 instances of god creating the things we know have a cause.

[Peters063]

I will always believe in the existence of God almighty, whether it is being proved scientifically or not.

[notbatman]

^^^ you gonna have some 'splainin to do.

My "'splainin" is covered by the blood of Jesus. How about yours (your 'splainin)... which hasn't worked so far?

So what you're saying is that God is dead, but before he passed he wrote down the ten commandments so you'd have a little something to wipe your ass with? How thoughtful of him.