[XMR] Monero Speculation

[Smokey23]

  Monero has certainly done a lot for the privacy sector but from an invesment standpoint, it is really only a currency.  Stakenet is an ecosystem with broad utility and excellent privacy measures.

   I recommend Stakenet ($XSN). 

Then, off you go to Steaknet, i hope you like yours medium 

People make fun of this dude, but I was seriously interested in how they manage anonymous staking--do they send you your share and then lose your address, like some woman losing a creep's number at the bar?

Hilarious.  But probably they will lose his number after he loses his wallet, which is generally how it turns out -  https://betweenblocks.org/topic/699/stakecube-hacked-for-13btc-worth-of-crypto

[danipay]

Something that then makes many people do not hesitate to invest in Monero. This is evidenced by a research data that Monero is ranked in the top 10 as the most popular and most widely used crypto currency in the world. This fact makes Monero's prospects very promising.

[Hueristic]

 Monero has certainly done a lot for the privacy sector but from an invesment standpoint, it is really only a currency.  Stakenet is an ecosystem with broad utility and excellent privacy measures.

   I recommend Stakenet ($XSN).  

Then, off you go to Steaknet, i hope you like yours medium 

People make fun of this dude, but I was seriously interested in how they manage anonymous staking--do they send you your share and then lose your address, like some woman losing a creep's number at the bar?

It's completely retarded, they took out the entire reason for POS to exist which is security and threw in a bunch of masternodes to centralize and monetize. Nothing but a cash grab that they keep generating coins from.

[Febo]

More good news in upcoming celebration of convincing of the Bitcoin.

https://twitter.com/krakenfx/status/1057097814012944384



Bittrex
Binance
TradeOgre
Bitfinex
Poloniex
Kraken

Also LocalMonero and MorphTooken reduced them. Not sure if they fit into this chart.

[Billy Bunter]

More good news in upcoming celebration of convincing of the Bitcoin.

https://twitter.com/krakenfx/status/1057097814012944384



Bittrex
Binance
TradeOgre
Bitfinex
Poloniex
Kraken

Also LocalMonero and MorphTooken reduced them. Not sure if they fit into this chart.

Hoping that HitBTC will follow. I have some XMR sitting on there that I may as well move.

[johnalan]

I have no doubt with the quality of engineering/USP in Monero that if the crypto markets take off again Monero will be part of it.

Question is, will crypto at large come back from this drop...

[Dig Bicks]

Monero is a shitcoin, convert this shit to bitcoin and other promising alts before its too late.  I dumped my monero bags, this coin has no future.

[cAPSLOCK]

Monero is a shitcoin, convert this shit to bitcoin and other promising alts before its too late.  I dumped my monero bags, this coin has no future.

I'll toss you a little bite to eat Mr. Troll.


Monero is unique among shitcoins.  Here are a couple reasons it is unique and worth holding:

-It has real utility and is currently being used as a currency, not just a speculative investment.
-It may be the ONLY crypto project that offers something that Bitcoin never can - privacy at the base layer.  In every other case bitcoin will be able to replicate just about any other project's strengths and features.  And though Bitcoin can offer privacy on Layer 2 and up, it arguably never will/should on it's base layer.

There are no alts more promising than Monero, really.

[phishead]

Monero is a shitcoin, convert this shit to bitcoin and other promising alts before its too late.  I dumped my monero bags, this coin has no future.

I'll toss you a little bite to eat Mr. Troll.


Monero is unique among shitcoins.  Here are a couple reasons it is unique and worth holding:

-It has real utility and is currently being used as a currency, not just a speculative investment.
-It may be the ONLY crypto project that offers something that Bitcoin never can - privacy at the base layer.  In every other case bitcoin will be able to replicate just about any other project's strengths and features.  And though Bitcoin can offer privacy on Layer 2 and up, it arguably never will/should on it's base layer.

There are no alts more promising than Monero, really.

Not to mention a community that willingly invest their coins into R&D and no premine/tax system. That alone should be enough evidence that Monero is at least worth looking into without any pre biases.

[tokeweed]

Monero is a shitcoin, convert this shit to bitcoin and other promising alts before its too late.  I dumped my monero bags, this coin has no future.

I'll toss you a little bite to eat Mr. Troll.


Monero is unique among shitcoins.  Here are a couple reasons it is unique and worth holding:

-It has real utility and is currently being used as a currency, not just a speculative investment.
-It may be the ONLY crypto project that offers something that Bitcoin never can - privacy at the base layer.  In every other case bitcoin will be able to replicate just about any other project's strengths and features.  And though Bitcoin can offer privacy on Layer 2 and up, it arguably never will/should on it's base layer.

There are no alts more promising than Monero, really.

And again, XMR is gonna be the cryptocurrency that's gonna slap everybody at the back of the head again and say 'this is the right path', just as BTC slapped everybody at the back of their heads in 2009 - 2010.

[Febo]

I have no doubt with the quality of engineering/USP in Monero that if the crypto markets take off again Monero will be part of it.

Question is, will crypto at large come back from this drop...

I dont know about "crypto" but Bitcoin should start showing some positivism price wise next year.  At start of the year or at end of the year, that could be debatable.

[Indamuck]

I have no doubt with the quality of engineering/USP in Monero that if the crypto markets take off again Monero will be part of it.

Question is, will crypto at large come back from this drop...

I dont know about "crypto" but Bitcoin should start showing some positivism price wise next year.  At start of the year or at end of the year, that could be debatable.

Bitcoin will be over 10k by the end of this year.  We still have 2 months left which is a lot of time.  I'm not big on Monero because I'm more of a bitcoin supporter myself.  It seems like Monero will be banned by most governments and exchanges are hesitant to allow monero because of regulations.  Plus we can already mix bitcoins if we want to hide our transaction trail.

[Hueristic]

More good news in upcoming celebration of convincing of the Bitcoin.

https://twitter.com/krakenfx/status/1057097814012944384



Bittrex
Binance
TradeOgre
Bitfinex
Poloniex
Kraken

Also LocalMonero and MorphTooken reduced them. Not sure if they fit into this chart.

Hoping that HitBTC will follow. I have some XMR sitting on there that I may as well move.

Hopefully not, they are a scam exchange connected to the bytecoin crew.

Monero is a shitcoin, convert this shit to bitcoin and other promising alts before its too late.  I dumped my monero bags, this coin has no future.

I'll toss you a little bite to eat Mr. Troll.


Monero is unique among shitcoins.  Here are a couple reasons it is unique and worth holding:

-It has real utility and is currently being used as a currency, not just a speculative investment.
-It may be the ONLY crypto project that offers something that Bitcoin never can - privacy at the base layer.  In every other case bitcoin will be able to replicate just about any other project's strengths and features.  And though Bitcoin can offer privacy on Layer 2 and up, it arguably never will/should on it's base layer.

There are no alts more promising than Monero, really.

AND, Monero conforms to Bitcoins original goals.

[johnalan]

I have no doubt with the quality of engineering/USP in Monero that if the crypto markets take off again Monero will be part of it.

Question is, will crypto at large come back from this drop...

I dont know about "crypto" but Bitcoin should start showing some positivism price wise next year.  At start of the year or at end of the year, that could be debatable.

You more bullish on BTC or XMR?

[Febo]

I have no doubt with the quality of engineering/USP in Monero that if the crypto markets take off again Monero will be part of it.

Question is, will crypto at large come back from this drop...

I dont know about "crypto" but Bitcoin should start showing some positivism price wise next year.  At start of the year or at end of the year, that could be debatable.

You more bullish on BTC or XMR?

Monero will for sure do better then BTC in 2019 and 2020 and maybe even 2021.

[H.W.P]

Please tell me, I have been watching Monero for a long time, but it only falls about Bitcoin. Are there any events in the coming year that may affect the growth of its price?

[Hueristic]

Please tell me, I have been watching Monero for a long time, but it only falls about Bitcoin. Are there any events in the coming year that may affect the growth of its price?

Nope, it just works. Ya know, does what it is supposed to do which is extremely difficult to accomplish.

[vit05]

On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

"Hi folks. I've noticed that my Monero GUI on Windows has only been selecting mixin decoys from October 17th and older revealing the real input as the most recent one after October 17th. Reviewing a block explorer shows the same issues on many randomly selected transactions:

https://xmrchain.net/tx/99cb50189415190c134d40e6b9ebfeac14a90b21efc1eb787ab2bd1cd3cc21a2 https://xmrchain.net/tx/4c7e82d096a72be0ef98994f4922a3a381af53b75396cb7881e0070f00b4b820 https://xmrchain.net/tx/0e752c65ebe7d02f30ac06360c381fc312bdaf58b4642306fcf8f97d613b2b5d https://xmrchain.net/tx/96698ccccf839331393471dda8ef9eb3c9de833222e0c583807b414db8d767f1 https://xmrchain.net/tx/081cdab564c38408cd3f060f4f787741e25ab4702704426a2780817c293c5ea2

Please investigate or ask for more details if needed."

After some back and forth the bug was confirmed and version 0.13.0.4 was released https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases/tag/v0.13.0.4

Normally your wallet will select at least several decoys from the last 24 hours to use as mixins however since the hard fork on October 17th it has not been doing that. It has been selecting mixins from the date you upgraded or downloaded the blockchain (possibly also restarted daemon) and older only. Therefore if your real input was created after the date you upgraded, the real input in your transaction is revealed because all of the mixins your wallet selects will be much older.

Suffice it to say not enough users have upgraded and as time goes on the issue gets worse. Reviewing the Monero blockchain it is clear that not enough people have upgraded which harms the privacy for us all. Here are a few transactions from the mempool:

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/5d020f4034afd0398c6f70248f1da4d8a35a079f0b26c00fbd4f1cf6a73468af

This user upgraded their wallet on October 23rd, 2018 so the real input is the one on October 30th, 2018.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/17d94acf8a9b15854c7628e7387988ed979966152fc4a6501137c3eb454099fc

This user upgraded their wallet on October 18th, 2018. The real input for key image 2 (01) is older than or on October 18th therefore there's no way to know for sure, but the first image the real input is clearly the transaction from October 30th, 2018.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/cb79db0d298b5b1df8faf26869f38b59367822710e18843e191d70475fd41b18

This user upgraded their wallet on the 17th clearly. Spot the real input.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/5332aa082e4afeba50341bd8f533a1053876422f82e99861cb6f53d2ad829014

Also the 17th.

 

This user seemingly upgraded their wallet to 13.4, no ability to conclusively track https://xmrchain.net/tx/f92529c9d6993dfd4860cc13168d050042f98a9bca4d880b1a31f6917dd1b1f2

 

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

[Febo]

On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

There is no error. But people should always use the latest version when available or not use it if to lazy to update.

[birr]

On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

There is no error. But people should always use the latest version when available or not use it if to lazy to update.

You're saying,
"Nothing to see here folks, move along."
NOT.
It's a real bug, a real issue, and lots of people will go on using 13.0.2; many of whom don't know of the update.