Even if his claims that the mining operation lost money would be correct, then he still needs to show the numbers. As for this moment, I am sure the mining rigs are running, but we don't know which address it is going to, and how much was made. Beside that, we paid around 42 BTC total for the mining rig, and did not get any ROI. If you can make clear the 12 BTC that would have been mined (and it could be more then 35 by now) went into, be my guest, but we honestly have no clue
Well Barwizi was attempting to answer your questions and all that "is a scammer" spam started which stopped the discussion.
Frigga77 on Sept 23 asked:
Having said that there was 12 BTC mined with the machines. That makes 23 BTC that has to be accounted for. Where is it Barwizi?
Barwizi replied with a reasonable response:
if you were honestly looking for answers you would stay on track, we are still dealing with the actual amount put in , then once that is done we will move on to each issue in turn
If someone wanted to look for answers, you'd expect them to go "ok, that makes sense. We'll deal with one issue at a time then. Let's deal with the actual amount put in first"
If you are interviewing someone, and they are still talking, you generally take the opportunity to pull as much information out of them as possible. If Barwizi is lying, dishonest, or simply incompetent, it will show up.
But instead of all that, you guys constantly "crack a whip" at him, scream scammer at every opportunity. You try to get accounting answers while the new NRS/NRB wallet is choking and sputtering and screwing up. (Right in the middle of an alpha release)
He invited you onto Skype. You declined. He wanted to talk about "the actual amount put in". Instead, you wanted to know more about the mining operation.
....and all the while, we have lovely pictures of some kid crying constantly getting re-posted again again, saying Barwizi is a scammer which disrupts everything, accomplishes nothing, and only hurts any type of financial recovery plan that can be made for GF holders.
On the side lines, I bang my head against the wall on how stupid people can be..
If Barwizi is on Trial, let him have his say. Don't over-talk him when you ask a question. Every watch a court room trial? You present something, and the other side has an opportunity to rebut it.
If they rebut it in such a fashion that is incorrect or misleading, you go back on that issue again BEFORE you move on to other issues.
If anyone needed a 3rd party arbitrator, this would be it.
Someone should consider starting a case at
https://www.bitrated.com/....anything will be better than this laszj99 or whatever he's named constantly spamming and disrupting negotiations and discussions between Barwizi and GF holders.
I was eager to see the GF holder issue get resolved. Not just because my NRS is stuck in the snapshot, but also becauase I genuinely wanted to see a resolution come to fruit. I wanted to see how things went wrong, why they went wrong, and what efforts could be made to correct it. This is a learning experience for me, and I wanted to observe this whole mess get fixed. This way, if I ever find myself in a similar situation, I can spot the warning signs, and see what types of resolutions to expect.
The GF holders keep screaming "4 months!!". Well perhaps you all should change what you've been doing for the last 4 months. Running around screaming scammer on a constant basis hasn't worked very well. Why not try a different approach. I have found that if you are less confrontational, but more conversational, you get a LOT more out of Barwizi. Just look at the previous threads... You'll see I'm right.
...(oh, and when wallets are in the middle of crashing, that's the worst time to start piping up asking questions. You guys could have waited a couple days until that ordeal was done.)
