GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[MinerFTW]

somewhere josh prob holding back 8 mil.

[suchmoon]

post count declining... someone doesn't want to be on record? Thing is... that's too late...as if deleting anything here will stay gone if legal requires it?

I think I read somewhere that Bitcointalk would cooperate with authorities if subpoenaed, including backups.

Furthermore, if the agencies have been keeping an eye on this clusterfuck for months now, it makes sense that they would be archiving everything of interest, including hashtalk and perhaps a few threads here with all linked material. I'm sure they have more serious tools than archive.today or archive.org.

bitcointa.lk archives everything right?

Sadly no, I think it's dead since mid last year or so.

[vnhyp0]

post count declining... someone doesn't want to be on record? Thing is... that's too late...as if deleting anything here will stay gone if legal requires it?

I think I read somewhere that Bitcointalk would cooperate with authorities if subpoenaed, including backups.

Furthermore, if the agencies have been keeping an eye on this clusterfuck for months now, it makes sense that they would be archiving everything of interest, including hashtalk and perhaps a few threads here with all linked material. I'm sure they have more serious tools than archive.today or archive.org.

bitcointa.lk archives everything right?

Sadly no, I think it's dead since mid last year or so.

Theymos complied with DPR subpoena, and included deleted posts, according to his post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.0

[trixter]

I think I read somewhere that Bitcointalk would cooperate with authorities if subpoenaed, including backups.

You did.  They also said at the same time they have lots of backups which can and often does include deleted or edited posts.  They said this just after the silk road stuff blew up because people were panic deleting posts or editing them to obscure the content hoping to avoid criminal prosecution.

However posts here from unaffiliated people would generally not be admissible.  Evidence should be from the original source as a general rule.  

This is somewhat different from the hearsay rule which is probably what some readers of this thread would be thinking of.  That rule says that a 3rd party cannot say what they were told was said (eg "Alice told me that Bob said ...") generally that is because its not the original evidence but not exclusively because of that.  However if you are part of a forum you might be able ot testify to what you personally observed as a participant in that conversation, there are exceptions to the original source rule and ultimately it would come down to the judge and the arguments the lawyers present (if it even comes to that).

[maildir]

popcorn?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/33325/i-m-mike-johnson-from-coin-fire-ama/15

[seedtrue]

More and more posts are slowly getting deleted. Does not seem like one account deleting all their posts as that would be quicker right? Maybe Josh is going through deleting all his shill and throw away accounts. #sarcasm

[xstr8guy]

From Coinfire article:

"The DHS investigation also names a second individual based in Saudi Arabia as a potential second suspect in money laundering operations. This individual gave Mr. Garza large sums of cash off the books via wire transfers and was complacent and intimately involved with Mr. Garza."

That does not mean it was ISIS, although it is a strong indicator since so many princes there (and their subordinates) are known to support it.    Additionally the individual may not be Saudi.  I have not yet had time to go through the article posted yesterday (its been opened in a new tab since it was published).  I have not seen what direct quotes they have from that investigation which is why I asked.  There have just been too many people misreading things lately so I wanted to be careful slinging group names around (eg the "coinfire editor" that turns out it was never said to be an editor in the original source material).

Coin Fire is not Coin Brief, which is the news site that employed the writer allegedly linked to ISIS.

There is nothing linking GAW to ISIS except some deranged ramblings by Vlad the village crazy.

READ people, fucking READ, it's free, educational, and as a bonus helps you look less of an idiot.

Yes, all correct.  

Also, CoinFire gave the name of one of the individuals on a DHS watchlist (Martin), and another such individual is from Saudi Arabia (no references to ISIS RE: either of these folks).  

"While the DHS reports are extremely detailed and further detail alleged fraud and alleged money-laundering for terrorist organizations and supporters, Coin Fire is opting not to publish these documents until a later date as to not jeopardize the current on-going investigation and to as protect our sources."

I used the word "terrorist" earlier (which is what sparked the academic turn in this thread today) because CoinFire did - not because of politics or ideology, which I could do if you'd like - but it'd be boring.

Indeed, and we used the worst terrorist because that is the direct word from the report itself.

I want to clarify a bit here without giving many details. Josh knew taking this money was bad news based on the emails obtained via order.

He argued with others inside his company regarding this money. The government plans to use that particular fact against him that he was compliant and willful against legal advice, others inside the company, and even some family members.

You keep using the word "compliant" when I'm quite sure you mean to be using "complicit".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complicit

adjective
1.
choosing to be involved in an illegal or questionable act, especially with others; having complicity.

[bassguitarman]

lolwut

~Bass

[suchmoon]

popcorn?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/33325/i-m-mike-johnson-from-coin-fire-ama/15

It's surprisingly civil so far aside from a few... ahem... we were asked not to call them idiots... well, a few impolite individuals.

[suchmoon]

http://i.gyazo.com/d76c2f34a4c923c6251deb07a0f06fab.png

lolwut

~Bass

I'm sure this diligent individual asked Mr. Garza the same questions before investing into GAW/XPY and was provided extensive "proofs".

[suchmoon]

It's probably gonna go downhill from here... Vlad's buddy BITCOIN-BAR arrived with ISIS accusations and then there is this:


Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

[truckinusa]

http://i.gyazo.com/d76c2f34a4c923c6251deb07a0f06fab.png

lolwut

~Bass

I'm sure this diligent individual asked Mr. Garza the same questions before investing into GAW/XPY and was provided extensive "proofs".

The supposed connection to terrorism is COINBRIEF!  This is Coinfire.  Its a totally different website.  Just my opinion, but I bet the terrorism connection for Josh Garza and Coinbrief are not nearly as bad as the government has made them out to be.  You never know though?

[coinits]

At this rate we'll be back to just 100 pages in a week.  

Interesting to note that Homero Vlad2Vlad has been deleting all of his comments since the coinfire article. I wonder how many other sockpuppets of Homeors have been busy scurrying back into the darkness?

[vnhyp0]

At this rate we'll be back to just 100 pages in a week.  

Interesting to note that Homero Vlad2Vlad has been deleting all of his comments since the coinfire article. I wonder how many other sockpuppets of Homeors have been busy scurrying back into the darkness?

Many, as this thread alone shows!

[not.you]

popcorn?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/33325/i-m-mike-johnson-from-coin-fire-ama/15

It's surprisingly civil so far aside from a few... ahem... we were asked not to call them idiots... well, a few impolite individuals.

I believe you meant to say victims.

[vnhyp0]

It appears gawceo is banned on hashtalk forums? http://imgur.com/bMO3lwE

[cooldgamer]

*snip*

lolwut

~Bass

If that's not a troll the rest of my faith in humanity is gone...

[suchmoon]

It appears gawceo is banned on hashtalk forums? http://imgur.com/bMO3lwE

Nope, he's alive and well:

https://hashtalk.org/user/gawceo

That other one is some kind of a fake, maybe some non-latin characters in the username or something like that.

[vnhyp0]

It appears gawceo is banned on hashtalk forums? http://imgur.com/bMO3lwE

Nope, he's alive and well:

https://hashtalk.org/user/gawceo

That other one is some kind of a fake, maybe some non-latin characters in the username or something like that.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. I thought it was a bit strange!

[TheMage]

post count declining... someone doesn't want to be on record? Thing is... that's too late...as if deleting anything here will stay gone if legal requires it?

I think I read somewhere that Bitcointalk would cooperate with authorities if subpoenaed, including backups.

Furthermore, if the agencies have been keeping an eye on this clusterfuck for months now, it makes sense that they would be archiving everything of interest, including hashtalk and perhaps a few threads here with all linked material. I'm sure they have more serious tools than archive.today or archive.org.

bitcointa.lk archives everything right?

Sadly no, I think it's dead since mid last year or so.

As a mod on Litecointalk, I can tell you that any entity that hosts a forum such as this is legally obligated to respond with any subpoenas. There is no "ifs" about it.

I will say however that lawyer/legal threats can be properly dismissed .