Why do islam hates people?

[BADecker]

I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink


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there are only few  muslimans that hate people...not all....

This means that there are only a few Muslims that follow their religion seriously.

Islam doesn't hate. Islam only conquers. Become Muslim or die. No hate. Only conquer... called, "convert to Islam or die."

No one follows their religion seriously. Muslims don't, Christians don't, Jews don't, etc. How can they? The books are full of contradictions. And too much doesn't make sense nowadays (or ever).

While this is somewhat true basically, it isn't relatively true.

Nobody follows his/her religion perfectly. Nobody. Yet Christians all over the Christian centers of the world - Western Europe, North America and Australia - follow their religion through understanding of what is written in their religious book, the Bible, much more than Muslims follow their religion. Why? Because, even in the centers of Islam - basically in the Middle East - the literacy rate is, on average, reasonably lower than in the Christian centers. Because of this, most Muslims aren't even aware of what their book says.

In my post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg10506661#msg10506661 I show a link to an article about Timbuktu in Mali, Africa. Mali, even though it isn't an Islamic center, is one of the ten major nations of the world with the lowest literacy rate. The article says that "Mali’s population is predominantly Sunni Muslim. Sunni’s in Mali are known for their mystical Sufi traditions, which allow individuals to define their own spiritual experience, including through music and poetry. In practice, Malian Islam is tolerant and open-minded." The reason that Mali's Islam is so open minded is, the people can't read, write or think well enough to figure out what the Quran and other Islamic writings are saying. When you check into it, you will see that, even though literacy rates are higher among many (most?) other Islamic nations, the Quran isn't read among Muslim families like the Bible is among Christian families.

The point is, if a person doesn't even know what his professed religion says, it isn't really his religion.

This means that Islam is essentially a dead religion. The only people who are keeping it barely alive are the few religious leaders, the Muslim extremists, and the media that talks about it all the time. The things that exist as Islam among the common, Islamic peoples as their religion, are all kinds of things that are simply spiritual, and not Islamic at all. The only other thing that they stick to is the word "Islam" itself. But this word holds no common meaning among them outside of the fact that they all use it.

Most of the world's religions are like this. Even the religion called "modern science" that has been permeating the world these last 5 or 6 decades, is really a religion of all kinds of contradictory understandings.

Probably the most solid religion among its people, where the people regularly open and read their book to see what their religion says, is the Christian religion.

What you just said is true for Christianiaty.Its 100% dead religion. More than 90% christians don't even take it serious.Practical belief is something out of question. Christianity is now limited to a pagan festival they  celebrate called Christmas.
Islam on the other hand is followed in its  true spirit. Most of the muslims are practical.They pray and follow Islamic teachings.

So, you think that Islamic teachings are based in the spirituality of individual Muslims, since most Muslims don't even know what their book, the Quran, says? Does this mean that the true spirit of Islam amounts to simply being spiritual in almost any way that one wants to be spiritual?

How interesting. Sure allows a lot of freedom, right? But is there any benefit for following the wrong thing, even if it is by accident, even if it is fully spiritual? Or isn't there any wrong religious practice in Islam, if the Muslim happens to be spiritual in the practice?

Sounds like it is a bit of a mixed up mess to me.

[ahmedjadoon]

The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

[BADecker]

The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

[ahmedjadoon]

The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

I agree there are many Muslims who do not read Qur'an with translation themselves but they are still aware of Islamic rulings on all/most matters and affairs. Because they are a part of Islamic society which is based on these teachings; they learn everything while they are growing up in that environment. So even illiterate people are aware of almost all basic rules.
For people not living in that society/environment they'll have to learn about it by reading/researching etc.

Also Qur'an is not the only source of Islamic knowledge and teachings.There are Prophetic sayings(Hadith) which explains the rules in details.

Its simply by saying "Allah is God and Muhammad is prophet" you become Muslim. Then there are 4 other basic pillars of Islam.

[BADecker]

The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

I agree there are many Muslims who do not read Qur'an with translation themselves but they are still aware of Islamic rulings on all/most matters and affairs. Because they are a part of Islamic society which is based on these teachings; they learn everything while they are growing up in that environment. So even illiterate people are aware of almost all basic rules.
For people not living in that society/environment they'll have to learn about it by reading/researching etc.

Also Qur'an is not the only source of Islamic knowledge and teachings.There are Prophetic sayings(Hadith) which explains the rules in details.

Its simply by saying "Allah is God and Muhammad is prophet" you become Muslim. Then there are 4 other basic pillars of Islam.

Here is the big question that needs answering.
Why is Islam called the religion of peace?

The question is asked because, in both the Quran and the Hadith, there are calls of Islam calling Muslims to violence. Often the violence is extreme. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

The only peace in Islam seems to be that which is extended to Muslims. That is understandable because, no religion wants to destroy itself.

No other major religion has strong violence listed in it against people of other religions. Where strong violence is listed in other the writings of other religions, it is generally simply a recorded record of past events. It is not a call to do the violence. In the Quran and Hadith, it is a call for Muslims to do the violence.

All the religions have peace extended to members of their own faith. All religions extend peace to their own people. You could say it like this:

Non-Islamic religions = Peace for their own people.
Non-Islamic religions = Reasonable peace for people of other religions.

Islam = Peace for their own people.
Islam = Violence against people of other religions.

How does this make Islam a religion of peace, since the violence is written right into the Quran and the Hadith, the basic writings of Islam? Isn't Islam really a religion of violence where many Muslims only think that it is a religion of peace? Or with many Muslims who are not really Muslims at heart? Or with many Muslims who would be shocked if they knew what their own religion taught?

[ahmedjadoon]

That website funded by zionists doesn't make any sense. Quoting out of context references doesn't prove anything nor linking ISIS/Taliban(US invention) killings with Islam. You know even we Muslims can't understand Quran simply by reading it. Most of the narrations in Quran have specific background events. Most violence related verses that are quoted were revealed for early battles fought during Prophet's life to defend Muslims and they never justify any terrorism.They were fought for defence and also because earlier Muslims who were a lot fewer in number were not allowed to pray or even call them Muslims. Islam has been the religion of suppressed of the society and it always will be.

[BADecker]

But you can understand the New Testament of the Bible just by reading it. And nowhere in the N.T. does it even say anything like the violence found in the Quran or Hadith. The closest it might come has to do with what God might do to wicked people some time in the future... not what Christians are supposed to do to unbelievers. Christians are even instructed to be meek and loving toward those who hurt them. It's right there for everyone to read.

So, how can Islam - which started 600 years after Christianity - call itself a peaceful religion? Peace doesn't have to do with statements of violence. Leave it in context, and it still says violence.

The only peace I see in Islam is the peace of a bunch of peaceful Muslims who don't even realize that they are not in compliance with the tenets of violence in their religion.

So, what is it that you are trying to do? After all, it is almost a requirement of the Quran that Muslims lie to us infidels. Are you one of the Islamic adepts, steeped in Quran knowledge, and putting it into practice with us infidels?

[oblivi]

Reject all false prophets, the only real one is Satoshi.

[Wilikon]

Reject all false prophets, the only real one is Satoshi.

What if satoshi was a Muslim. Hum.

[BADecker]

Reject all false prophets, the only real one is Satoshi.

What if satoshi was a Muslim. Hum.

What if the Bitcoin protocol code is really a translation of the Quran?

 

[ahmedjadoon]

But you can understand the New Testament of the Bible just by reading it. And nowhere in the N.T. does it even say anything like the violence found in the Quran or Hadith. The closest it might come has to do with what God might do to wicked people some time in the future... not what Christians are supposed to do to unbelievers. Christians are even instructed to be meek and loving toward those who hurt them. It's right there for everyone to read.

So, how can Islam - which started 600 years after Christianity - call itself a peaceful religion? Peace doesn't have to do with statements of violence. Leave it in context, and it still says violence.

The only peace I see in Islam is the peace of a bunch of peaceful Muslims who don't even realize that they are not in compliance with the tenets of violence in their religion.

So, what is it that you are trying to do? After all, it is almost a requirement of the Quran that Muslims lie to us infidels. Are you one of the Islamic adepts, steeped in Quran knowledge, and putting it into practice with us infidels?

I would again refer you to historical context. Arabs were different from the rest of the world. They didn't believe in freedom of expression or anything.
" the verse is against only those who puts Muslims to torture or kill him because of his religion."
Are you trying to say one should not defend himself if he is attacked unjustly?
Bible not being comprehensive is understandable.  It was for a specific society for a shorter period of time while Quran is the final message and its for all times and societies so it touched all issues.
Also you can't learn Islam simply by reading. Prophet tells us "Lying is root of all evils". Muslims can only lie to save their life as it is precious than anything else. Just follow the tradition of Prophet ans you'll know he never lied and always preferred peace to war.
Peace treaties were made during his time with non-muslims. But they were violated by non-muslims notably Pagans and Jews.
Yes, Islam is they religion of peace because The Qur'an not only says that a Pagan seeking asylum during a battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.

I think you are forgetting somethings here. Popes waging wars against "infidels" is recorded in history.

[Wilikon]

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

[tins]

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death.
ISIS is going around killing off their own people.

[bryant.coleman]

Reject all false prophets, the only real one is Satoshi.

What if satoshi was a Muslim. Hum.

That is very very very... unlikely. May be a 0.00001% chance. I think that Satoshi is either East Asian or White. And he is either non-religious or Christian.

[ahmedjadoon]

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death.
ISIS is going around killing off their own people.

Islam doesn't supress women but there are certain societies and cultures which do. It was Islam who actually elevated the status of women in society. Islam doesn't allow forced marriage of women. The perfect example for muslims is from Prophet's family. He asked her daughter's willingness for her marriage to Ali.
If Islam had supressed women than Prophet's wife and prominent early muslim scholar Aisha wouldn't have commanded an army on battlefield in a conflict. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel
About age difference as I told you forced marriage is not allowed in Islam so what if a woman marries an older man by her own willingness or a man marries an older woman. It rarely happens but there is nothing wrong in it and its allowed all over the world.
Islam has given respect to women. Islam prohibits prostitution, adultery and not covering private parts etc both for men and women. So what's wrong with it. These are a few things which separate humans from animals.
I agree that certain underdeveloped nations and societies suppress women right mostly middle eastern muslim countries but you can't blame Islam for it.
I live in an Islamic country Pakistan with 180 million population and there are hardly any problems with women rights. Only a small percentage of tribal women have issues but that is due to their own tribal culture and lack of development and education.

[tins]

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death.
ISIS is going around killing off their own people.

About age difference as I told you forced marriage is not allowed in Islam so what if a woman (child) marries an older man by her own willingness or a man marries an older woman. It rarely happens but there is nothing wrong in it...

There is something very wrong with it. IT IS RAPE!
A child does not have the developed mental capacity to consent.

[ahmedjadoon]

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death.
ISIS is going around killing off their own people.

About age difference as I told you forced marriage is not allowed in Islam so what if a woman (child) marries an older man by her own willingness or a man marries an older woman. It rarely happens but there is nothing wrong in it...

There is something very wrong with it. IT IS RAPE!
A child does not have the developed mental capacity to consent.

It doesn't justify marriage with impubes. Those who have attained puberty could be married with their consent. Now you'll bring up the marriage of Prophet with Aisha(Muslims' mother) when she were very young. Let me tell you that it is a scientific fact that women reach puberty earlier than men. Also women of hot climate (Arab was a desert) reach puberty earlier than women of colder climates. That marriage could be said as political offered by her fathet(who later became 1st Caliph) with her daughter's will as Aisha was happily married and devoted to Prophet.

She was very capable and intelligent person. She devoted her life to Islam being one of the most prominent scholar. She was also politically active most of her life. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel is one such example should be enough to answer all feminist critics of Islam.

[BADecker]

But you can understand the New Testament of the Bible just by reading it. And nowhere in the N.T. does it even say anything like the violence found in the Quran or Hadith. The closest it might come has to do with what God might do to wicked people some time in the future... not what Christians are supposed to do to unbelievers. Christians are even instructed to be meek and loving toward those who hurt them. It's right there for everyone to read.

So, how can Islam - which started 600 years after Christianity - call itself a peaceful religion? Peace doesn't have to do with statements of violence. Leave it in context, and it still says violence.

The only peace I see in Islam is the peace of a bunch of peaceful Muslims who don't even realize that they are not in compliance with the tenets of violence in their religion.

So, what is it that you are trying to do? After all, it is almost a requirement of the Quran that Muslims lie to us infidels. Are you one of the Islamic adepts, steeped in Quran knowledge, and putting it into practice with us infidels?

I would again refer you to historical context. Arabs were different from the rest of the world. They didn't believe in freedom of expression or anything.
" the verse is against only those who puts Muslims to torture or kill him because of his religion."
Are you trying to say one should not defend himself if he is attacked unjustly?
Bible not being comprehensive is understandable.  It was for a specific society for a shorter period of time while Quran is the final message and its for all times and societies so it touched all issues.
Also you can't learn Islam simply by reading. Prophet tells us "Lying is root of all evils". Muslims can only lie to save their life as it is precious than anything else. Just follow the tradition of Prophet ans you'll know he never lied and always preferred peace to war.
Peace treaties were made during his time with non-muslims. But they were violated by non-muslims notably Pagans and Jews.
Yes, Islam is they religion of peace because The Qur'an not only says that a Pagan seeking asylum during a battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.

I think you are forgetting somethings here. Popes waging wars against "infidels" is recorded in history.

The point is this. When anyone who can read the Quran or Hadith, reads them the first time, he will see much more violence therein than the violence he will see reading the New Testament the first time. Not only that, but the violence appears to be living, unprovoked violence, made for Muslims to use.

This may be an entirely wrong reading approach. It may totally be that nobody is directed by Islam to do the violence, and that he has to be trained to see that the violence he reads is simply rhetoric not to be used, but if that is the case, why is the violence even listed as it is listed? Why not get rid of the violence words and verses?

The fact that the words are there in the form that they are, makes Islam a much greater religion of violence than religions that don't even have the words.

I commend people who stick to their teachings. What I don't commend are double-standard teachings that you have to twist all out of shape to make them say the things that you want them to say, especially when the things that they say look like directives for harming other people. It is somewhat like this for all religions, and a lot of so-called scientific writing, as well. But it is Islam that has the violence, at least in the wording of its sacred writings.

[ahmedjadoon]

Muslims were in minority and were forced to take arms to defend their lives. Would you give up your life if someone came to take it for no just reason or defend yourself?
By reading sacred text you would see the courage of muslims against Arab lords who violated basic human rights.
Islam/Quran has a very clear view on violence. Being a muslim it is commanded in Quran to take arms if opponent state/non-muslims who have peace treaty with you violate it OR if they are in power and disallow muslims to offer prayers to God and other religious duties. These were the problems faced by muslims in oppressive Arab lords who didn't believe in freedom of expression and wanted to eliminate muslims who were far less in number. So what you call violence was for defence purpose only.
Islam is the religion of peace because it doesn't allow to attack others for power or subjugation. If some people do this then its against the teachings of Islam.
I never read Bible so I'm not sure about it. Quran is the final word so it contains guidance about all aspects of life.

P.S I'm done here for now. Trying to study Biology, Chemistry and Physics for exam.

[BADecker]

Muslims were in minority and were forced to take arms to defend their lives. Would you give up your life if someone came to take it for no just reason or defend yourself?
By reading sacred text you would see the courage of muslims against Arab lords who violated basic human rights.
Islam/Quran has a very clear view on violence. Being a muslim it is commanded in Quran to take arms if opponent state/non-muslims who have peace treaty with you violate it OR if they are in power and disallow muslims to offer prayers to God and other religious duties. These were the problems faced by muslims in oppressive Arab lords who didn't believe in freedom of expression and wanted to eliminate muslims who were far less in number. So what you call violence was for defence purpose only.
Islam is the religion of peace because it doesn't allow to attack others for power or subjugation. If some people do this then its against the teachings of Islam.
I never read Bible so I'm not sure about it. Quran is the final word so it contains guidance about all aspects of life.

P.S I'm done here for now. Trying to study Biology, Chemistry and Physics for exam.

Good luck in your studies. Let's all try to remain peaceful.