Why do islam hates people?

[BADecker]

C'mon Spendulus. You're supposed to be arguing about whether or not Islam hates people, not showing the world that they do.

 

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[Spendulus]

C'mon Spendulus. You're supposed to be arguing about whether or not Islam hates people, not showing the world that they do.

 

Hmm....

As I see it the Islam here is reframing the argument, from "Why islam hates" with broad brush logical error.  They keep insisting on something nobody said, that is that all Islam is terrorists and such.  Then they said that is ridiculous and hence is false. 

This is called a straw man argument.  It is one of the most common logical fallacies.  Nobody has said that.

I think the argument "Islam has more violence" in it is clearly supportable on the facts based on endorsed practices of stoning, chopping hands and feet, etc.

My understanding of the question "why Islam hates people" is that it is the question of how some parts of the Islamic community lean toward hate. 

But there is so much confusion.  Even as someone says he does not hate, and Islam is the religion of peace, oh, but those Jews are an exception of course. 

[Buffer Overflow]

unfortunately, this is the truth.. that is absolutely how other people see us muslim and we are far from that. because of a mere 0.0000000001% of the muslim community commits bad things, we the vast majority always pays the price for it. whereas it occurs in all religion and in atheism too.

If you believe this to be true, then the remaining 99.9999999999% had better do something about the 0.0000000001%.
Because if you dont , it's only gonna get worse. A lot worse.

[bryant.coleman]

unfortunately, this is the truth.. that is absolutely how other people see us muslim and we are far from that. because of a mere 0.0000000001% of the muslim community commits bad things, we the vast majority always pays the price for it. whereas it occurs in all religion and in atheism too. but well, like i said before, a fish dies in the sea, muslim is to be blamed. pure islamophobic mindset

I don't think that the real figure is 0.0000000001%. It might be closer to 10% or even 20%.

Just check this:

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/

24% of the Muslims in Egypt justifies suicide bombing. The figure is 47% for Bangladesh and 18% for Turkey, which is supposed to be a progressive nation.

Now, try this:

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

[Muhammed Zakir]

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

[Netpyder]

I don't think that the real figure is 0.0000000001%. It might be closer to 10% or even 20%.

since when your thinking is what should be taken into consideration??
facts remain facts. not from websites that are created daily. from real facts. people who have been there counting the asassination. but it wont happen, cause no one has been there. its just articles written everyday without any proofs of whatsoever.




Lamar "Goddess" Edwards of Indianapolis, Kentucky, died of a single bullet wound to the chest at Fern Valley Motel on January 9. Henry Richard Gleaves was arrested for Lamar's murder and is being held on a $500,000 bond. The Advocate has confirmed that Lamar Edwards identified as a gay man who likely participated in drag.[29]

Lamia Beard of Norfolk, Virginia was found with life-threatening gunshot wounds on the morning of January 17. She was taken to the Sentara Norfolk General Hospital, where she died.[30]

Ty Underwood of Tyler, Texas was found in her car, dead from three gunshot wounds, on January 26. Her roommate feels she may have been targeted because she was a transgender woman.[31]

Yazmin Vash Payne of Van Nuys, California was found stabbed and burned to death in her apartment on January 31. The following day her boyfriend confessed to the murder and surrendered to police.[32]

Taja DeJesus was stabbed to death in San Francisco, California on February 3, 2015. She was 36 years old. The man believed to have stabbed her, James Hays 49, was found dead hanging a short distance away.[33]

Penny Proud of New Orleans, Louisiana was fatally shot multiple times on February 10.[34]

Bri Golec of Akron, Ohio was stabbed to death by her father, Kevin Golic on February 13, 2015.[35] Bri was 22 years old. According to a bandmate, Brian dropped the trans identifier about a year ago. He now identified as an androgynous pansexual man. His father called 911 after the stabbing claiming it was "the cult" that had broken in and stabbed Brain. The cult he referred to is believed to be a local trans support group. Police determined that no one had broken in. Kevin Golic is being charged with murder and felony domestic violence.[36]

Kristina Gomez Reinwald of Miami, Florida, was found dead in her apartment on February 15. She was 46 years old. The case was initially considered a suicide, but news broke on February 19 that police are now treating it as homicide.[37]

Sumaya Ysl of Toronto, Canada, was found dead on February 22nd. She was 26 years old.[38]


001   01/03/15   Karim Bonner   25   2600 Seville Avenue   Shooting victim. Victim was reported missing December 19, 2014, found in minivan he rented   none      
002   01/03/15   Josphat Kobia   40   524 Queensgate Road   Victim shot over room-cleaning dispute. Tamara Harvey(wife) and Cameron Barnes(stepson) charged. Victim and two charged were all living at the Queensgate address.         Closed
003   01/03/15   Leon Fleming   38, pic   4502 Erdman Avenue   Shooting victim aka Ugg. Incident took place at Yolo bar         
004   01/04/15   Matthew Thomas   11, pic   1900 62nd Street   Murder/Suicide. Two people dead from gunshot in a vehicle, found near the site of Hollander Ridge Public Housing Complex. Selfish father, Warren Thomas, shot son before killing himself. Victims missing since Jan 1, 2015   none      Closed
005   01/05/15   Brian Chase   32   1100 Woodyear Street   Shooting victim aka Beezy   none      
006   01/05/15   John Walsh   46   1100 North Carrollton Street   Shooting victim, Brandon Gulliver is a person of interest         
007   01/09/15   Robert Thomas   40, pic   5900 Glenkirk Road   Double shooting, double homicide. Victim aka Manny. Dennis Padgett chargedThree men having a dispute over a parking spot         Closed
008   01/09/15   Troy Preston   47   5900 Glenkirk Road   Double shooting, double homicide. Dennis Padgett charged, two men have a dispute over a parking spot. This victim appears to be collateral damage.   none      Closed
009   01/11/15   Darius White   20, pic   1900 McCulloh   Shooting victim. Victim was implicated in the murder of Devon(or Davon) Dorsey 05/29/10         
010   01/12/15   Anthony Richardson   32, pic   1700 Homestead Street   Double shooting, victim found in vehicle      1 camera   
011   01/16/15   Troy Pinkney   30   4600 Edmondson Avenue   Shooting victim   none   1 camera   
012   01/17/15   Donte Downer   29, pic   1700 Presstman Street   Shooting victim aka Eyeball found in van. Victim crashed vehicle on porch of 1800 Presstman Street.         
013   01/18/15   David Hall   25   2018 Denison Street   Double homicide, shooting at the Black Jack Pizza Restaurant   none      
014   01/18/15   Harry Smith   23   2018 Denison Street   Double homicide, shooting at the Black Jack Pizza Restaurant   none      
015   01/24/15   Jason Ballard   28   4400 Franconia Drive   Shooting victim         
016   01/25/15   Dashawn Allbrook   22, funeral   4500 Furley Avenue   Shooting victim found in street         
017   01/26/15   Marlon Harvey   32   2500 Pennsylvania Avenue   Stabbing victim, registry, Video of Suspect      1 camera   
018   01/28/15   Davon Johnson   28   2000 North Bentalou Street   Shooting victim, Charles Henson is a suspect   none      
019   01/29/15   Stephen Foreman   40, pic, Linkedin   1000 Stamford Road   Double shooting, victim found in vehicle         
020   01/29/15   James Smith   49   2400 East Lafayette Street   Shooting victim, crime scene         
021   01/29/15   Stephen Vaise   60   4400 Prudence Street   Shooting victim found inside home. Matthew Vaise(son) charged   none      Closed
022   01/30/15   Victor Underwood Black   18   3000 Liberty Heights Avenue   Shooting victim         
023   01/31/15   Marvin Barrett   24   5300 Frankford Road   Shooting victim         
024   02/01/15   Tavares Swinson   36, pic, funeral   4500 Rogers Avenue   Shooting victim aka Bam         
025   02/01/15   Derrick Dargan   25   500 North Ellwood Avenue   Double shooting, a woman was also a shooting victim who survived. Mr. Dargan was implicated in the murder of Marcus Lemon on 05/13/13 but later acquitted by a jury in October 2014.         
026   a 01/08/15 d. 02/02/15   John Imbragulio   55   400 South Eaton Street   Injuries 01/08/15, police looking for information   none      
027   02/11/15   James Williams   54   3900 Garrison Avenue   Stabbing victim   none      
028   02/12/15   James Maurice Edward Jr.   24, pic   300 Collins Avenue   Shooting victim aka Bangout, found in street after argument   none      
029   02/12/15   Malik Fuller   16, pic   3300 Garrison Boulevard   Double shooting, both victims were 16 years old.   none      
030   02/13/15   Unidentified Man      1700 Ashburton Street   Shooting victim aka Heavy found in burned building.         
031   02/21/15   Kevin Mason   29   3800 Ridgewood Avenue   Shooting victim found in vehicle   none      
032   02/22/15   Jawan Goode   31   2500 East Monument Street   Shooting victim      2 cameras   
033   02/23/15   Leedell Brown   25   830 Guilford Avenue   Rapper aka Manmoo beaten at the The Hott Spott Lounge, "No Noise"   none      
034   02/24/15   Owen Crayton   24   300 Marydell Road   Shooting victim found in home,Joseph Ryles charged   none      Closed
035   02/25/15   Anthony Reese   22   5600 Loch Raven Boulevard   Double shooting in vehicle         
036   02/28/2015   Dwayne Reid   40   4300 Welbourne Road   Quadruple Shooting, crime scene pic         
037   03/02/15   Markez Jones   28, pic   1300 West Lafayette Street   Shooting victim. Victim was acquitted of killing Marvin Hayes on 07/19/11         
038   03/03/15   Djuan Tillett   24 funeral   700 Richwood Avenue   Shooting victim aka Mookie         
039   03/12/15   Tameka Mobley   34, obit   4400 LaPlata Avenue   Victim found with trauma to her body   none      
040   03/12/15   Terrell Walston   28   5400 Bucknell Road   Shooting victim found in vehicle         
041   03/12/15   Davon Jordan   30   1900 East 28th Street   Stabbing victim         
042   03/17/15   Alton Wallace III   27   1200 East Oliver Street   Shooting victim found in vehicle         
043   03/23/15   Daniel Brooks   33   2700 Pennsylvania Avenue   Shooting victim found in front of Red Fox Liquors         
044   03/24/15   Sterling Day   23, FB, pic   900 North Monroe Street   Double shooting, immediately followed by the fatal shooting on 2700 Pennsylvania Avenue(#43). Quadruple shooting on Monroe Street on day of victim's funeral 04/02/15 allegedly linked to the death of Mr. Day   None      
045   03/24/15   Jarrell Hicks   29, pic   3300 West Caton Avenue   Shooting victim aka Tookie         
046   03/25/15   Andre Robinson   23, pic   4500 Parkton Street   Shooting victim         
047   03/27/15   Travis Dixon   27, pic   2200 Chelsea Terrace   Victim stabbed after altercation   none      
048   03/28/15   Victor Gwaltney III   20, pic   4100 Mariban Court   Double shooting where the suspect was riding a bicycle, Donnell Walker charged   none      Closed
049   03/30/15   Kemmontay Mitchell   27, FB, pic   2800 West North Avenue   Shooting victim, FB      2 cameras   
050   03/30/15   Jeremy Ward   26   1800 East Federal Street   Shooting victim         
051   added 04/03/15   Felicity Shelton   30   700 West Lexington Street   Double shooting, victim shot 08/28/2000 and died 10/14/14 due to complications from injury      No cameras in 2000   
052   04/03/15   Carla Harrison   36, FB, pic   2800 Edmondson Aveneu   Double stabbing, both victims female. Michelle Johnson charged      1 camera   Closed
053   04/04/15   Steven Jackson   29   3200 Elmley Avenue   Shooting victim, victim was nephew of Council President, Jack Young. Homicide occurred during daytime directly under CCTV camera   Not checked yet   2 cameras   
054   04/04/15   Jamar Green   28   100 North Pulaski Street   Shooting victim   Not checked yet



now they were not in the middle east were they? they were not muslims were they? or have then been influenced by islam maybe? there is a gigantic rock in your garden and you are looking at the pebble in the neighbour's garden....

and if you say your list is longer than mine, its just from one random website. if you want me to get the complete list. just say it.. no problem for me

[Hamuki]

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

Stop bitching about the fucking media all the time.
Not everyone is getting their info from mainstream media.

There is plenty of places to get your information without it has been influenced by large corperations.

[Muhammed Zakir]

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

Stop bitching about the fucking media all the time.
Not everyone is getting their info from mainstream media.

There is plenty of places to get your information without it has been influenced by large corperations.

You ask concrete evidence from us, when we ask back it is "bitching".

[Hamuki]

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

Stop bitching about the fucking media all the time.
Not everyone is getting their info from mainstream media.

There is plenty of places to get your information without it has been influenced by large corperations.

You ask concrete evidence from us, when we ask back it is "bitching".

The thing is.. You havent asked back.
You only reffere to the islamic books and psychos who want to see islam as the master religion.

Islam is a religion of war and suffering.
There is muslims who kill other people that arent muslim just for that reason..
And they are even dump enought to start fighting with themselfs because they dont know how to read the quran.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The thing is.. You havent asked back.
You only reffere to the islamic books and psychos who want to see islam as the master religion.

Islam is a religion of war and suffering.
There is muslims who kill other people that arent muslim just for that reason..
And they are even dump enought to start fighting with themselfs because they dont know how to read the quran.

So these aren't questions, right? Hmm...

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

[coinpr0n]

Religion shouldn't be forced by anyone on anyone else. And this seems to be what is happening, with organizations like the Qatar Foundation creating schools in impoverished areas only to then demand that their students follow Islam. The problem is Islam cannot (seemingly or easily) be separated from government civics. One thing is sure and that is that Islam is pushing much more than any other religion I see to engage the youth - and that is a smart move.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Religion shouldn't be forced by anyone on anyone else. And this seems to be what is happening, with organizations like the Qatar Foundation creating schools in impoverished areas only to then demand that their students follow Islam. The problem is Islam cannot (seemingly or easily) be separated from government civics. One thing is sure and that is that Islam is pushing much more than any other religion I see to engage the youth - and that is a smart move.

Muhammad(PBUH) and Qur'an have said not to force anybody to be a Muslim. They should be Muslim in their own will and not by force.

Those are done by people not Islam and Islam rules don't allow it. Yet, you say Islam tells it.

These all shows images I posted are true.

[coinpr0n]

Religion shouldn't be forced by anyone on anyone else. And this seems to be what is happening, with organizations like the Qatar Foundation creating schools in impoverished areas only to then demand that their students follow Islam. The problem is Islam cannot (seemingly or easily) be separated from government civics. One thing is sure and that is that Islam is pushing much more than any other religion I see to engage the youth - and that is a smart move.

Muhammad(PBUH) and Qur'an have said not to force anybody to be a Muslim. They should be Muslim in their own will and not by force.

Those are done by people not Islam and Islam rules don't allow it. Yet, you say Islam tells it.

These all shows images I posted are true.

I agree with the images for the most part. I think the double standards held against the Muslims are unfair and unjustified. On a personal level I'm just saying that it is probably the power structures (governments and "investors"; not the followers of Islam) that are forcing religion on people.

[Netpyder]

Religion shouldn't be forced by anyone on anyone else. And this seems to be what is happening, with organizations like the Qatar Foundation creating schools in impoverished areas only to then demand that their students follow Islam. The problem is Islam cannot (seemingly or easily) be separated from government civics. One thing is sure and that is that Islam is pushing much more than any other religion I see to engage the youth - and that is a smart move.

Muhammad(PBUH) and Qur'an have said not to force anybody to be a Muslim. They should be Muslim in their own will and not by force.

Those are done by people not Islam and Islam rules don't allow it. Yet, you say Islam tells it.

These all shows images I posted are true.

I agree with the images for the most part. I think the double standards held against the Muslims are unfair and unjustified. On a personal level I'm just saying that it is probably the power structures (governments and "investors"; not the followers of Islam) that are forcing religion on people.

it is more the mainstream media, politics and other large coorporate who benefits from war.
if they were no war how would the business mogul of guns and stuff eat? they need war like they need money. its just a political boat that brings everybody else with it. the thing is most people dont understand that the media and fake supposed facts that they bring foreward is just another thing to bring us people apart. create the hate and we will fight amongst each other.

there are more crimes in the USA daily than there are in most muslim countries monthly, but of course this will not what the media will report about, they would rather see a man protecting his family in palestine with throwing a rock at the army of israel and call it terrorism.

go on youtube, so many soldiers retired, threw their medals and stars away because they were told to kill innocent in Iraq, in palestine.

and people say that muslim are terrorist and islam breeds terrorism... the word violence itself is not found in the Quraan.

but in the end, people like badecker or spendulus reads only what they want to read and what they hear what they want to hear.

we are not propagating islam, we are just trying to make a point that islam does NOT accept terrorism, islam does NOT breed terrorism.. open your eyes friends, open your eyes.. its high time to stop islamophobia.

people like spendulus and badecker who are intelligent enough to use their critical analysis and see through the wall are posting comments like this... propagating hate towards muslim and islam.. its sad to be honest.

[Netpyder]

@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

Stop bitching about the fucking media all the time.
Not everyone is getting their info from mainstream media.

There is plenty of places to get your information without it has been influenced by large corperations.

You ask concrete evidence from us, when we ask back it is "bitching".

The thing is.. You havent asked back.
You only reffere to the islamic books and psychos who want to see islam as the master religion.

Islam is a religion of war and suffering.
There is muslims who kill other people that arent muslim just for that reason..
And they are even dump enought to start fighting with themselfs because they dont know how to read the quran.

if islam is a religion of war and sufferings, atheism and christianity is worst. considering the crime rate in the USA alone. there are more crimes than the palestine and all muslim countries united.
but then you would say they are not doing it for religion,

i would rather ask you, do you think they are doing it for religion? open your eyes its just a political move.. do you know that a certain group of people take family of the suicide bombers into hostage? and if they dont do it, they will kill their families.. did you know that? the cnn made a documentary about this in 2010. but of course you would not like to hear that, you hear what you want to believe and what you want to hear

[Muhammed Zakir]

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people like spendulus and badecker who are intelligent enough to use their critical analysis and see through the wall are posting comments like this... propagating hate towards muslim and islam.. its sad to be honest.

I don't know if they are doing this deliberately or this is misunderstanding. But I have seen them twisting sometimes though it might be twisted in a site which they took from and also not answering direct questions. Hope they aren't doing deliberately.

[Josef27]

Muhammad(PBUH) and Qur'an have said not to force anybody to be a Muslim. They should be Muslim in their own will and not by force.

Those are done by people not Islam and Islam rules don't allow it. Yet, you say Islam tells it.

These all shows images I posted are true.

Even I'm not Muslim but I agree with this one, feel sorry for you guys, didn't realize this happened outside.

I'll tell you something, I don't care if you assume I'm was brainwashed, crazy or something.
Also I have a lot of Muslim friends, they're nice to me at all and we're just act like normal friend. Nobody of them hate me!

Even someone made mistake, you can't just blame people's religion, It just the people fault who didn't fully understand about what the religion taught to them, or completely ignoring it. Nasty people can be everywhere, religious or not, depend of himself.

I know that isn't Muslim's fault, they not like that. I only assume they pretending to be Muslim or someone that has been manipulated, I'm totally sure about it.

Choose your own choice

[Netpyder]

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people like spendulus and badecker who are intelligent enough to use their critical analysis and see through the wall are posting comments like this... propagating hate towards muslim and islam.. its sad to be honest.

I don't know if they are doing this deliberately or this is misunderstanding. But I have seen them twisting sometimes though it might be twisted in a site which they took from and also not answering direct questions. Hope they aren't doing deliberately.

they have been doing it for  over a week, twisting quotes and posting hate website. the funniest one was godhateislam.com or .org
god was suppose to love everybody and not hate one kind of religion. but anyways...

i dont know if they are doing it deliberately either. but once they are given an answer on a particular topic they raised, the take a little word from it and try to expand it more. they dont answer the questions they are asked nor they reply to the answers they are given.

like the thread about all the crimes since the beginning of 2015 in the usa, and the list is very small. i have taken just a few lines from it. but everybody just ignored that list.

like i said, there is a gigantic rock in their garden and they are looking at the pebble in their neighbour's

[calchuchesta]

From what I've read Muslim is far from a religion of peace.

[Muhammed Zakir]

From what I've read Muslim is far from a religion of peace.

You are being misunderstood. Media influenced you to think like that. You should research more about it and don't believe everything you see/hear in medias.