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1121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: April 04, 2017, 07:08:02 AM
There are many ways on how bitcoins and other cryptocurrency may end and be die.One of the biggest threats is data base shut down or unexpected huge error on the network.Also demand problems will do a big problem too.I think legality issues will not affect  bitcoins and other cryptocurrency.

Database error, sure. Because that's how other systems go down. But bitcoin is different. It's decentralized. There will be no "unexpected huge error" in the network as it is constructed perfectly. Legality issues surely will not affect bitcoins because they didn't go that way. They didn't ask permission from the government or whatever.

Where did you even gets these ideas? You just thought of it yourself? Then you don't know what bitcoin really is. If you read this from some article, read below the whole thing because it might be just some April Fool's post once again. Or some troll just told you this. Everytime you read something, I suggest that you do a quick google search to confirm it before believing that it's real.
1122  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: April 04, 2017, 06:54:50 AM
Bitcoin is still a new technology. It is counted at the beginning of the road according to other investment vehicles.
We can think of it like the first years of the gold mine. Bitcoin is the gold mine of the age we are in.

I believe that it will gain much more value in the future. Yes, bitcoin is a good investment tool.
I think long term thinking will be helpful when investing in bitcoin.
yes we can also hope that in future the value of the bitcoin will increase more and more because the number of bitcoin users are increasing continuously that is why the demand of bitcoin is increasing which is also causing the price of bitcoin to increase.
People believe that if 21 mil total of BTC will be released, then the btc price will constantly rise because of higher and higher demand, and lower supply.
And that is true, but it is going to happen if most of the people using cryptos will stick to BTC.

Not only the supply will go lower, but the number of bitcoins in circulation will decrease as well. Everyday, people die and one of them might be a bitcoin user that holds thousands of bitcoins. Of course, today we don't feel it yet. But after all the BTC was mined, it's just a matter of time until we realize that there are much less coins in circulation, thus, bitcoin will even be more volatile.

But of course not everyone's going to use bitcoin alone. There are other substitutes for bitcoin so I don't really mind all of these stuffs. It's easy to find a way out in case something big goes in the way of bitcoins.
1123  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: April 04, 2017, 06:45:37 AM
I dream to be rich too thru this bitcoin money.
I really dreaming on that and I hope it will be soon.

And how do you think to achieve that? Do you actually do something to become rich, or you just dream about it? You hope this will happen, but how do you hope for that, I wonder how do you expect things to develop for you to be rich?
Nothing happens over night, and bitcoin will not wotht 1 million dollars so everyone here can be rich. Collect coins and hold them on safe place and for 30 years you will be rich.

That's just wishful thinking. "I hope bitcoin gets higher price so I can buy the things that I like." How about get more bitcoins so regardless if the price goes higher or stays the same, you'll be richer? People dream and dream about getting rich. Wake up from that dream and do actual stuffs to make it real.

To be honest, hoping alone doesn't get you anywhere. Do the necessary actions and then that's the time you should hope. Hope that all your efforts will get you somewhere and hope even more that it will get you to the place that you always wanted.

Me, I just collect as much coins as I can. I'm not on some crazy long term holding like you, you're suggesting to hold for 30 years but we're not even sure if we're going to live that long.
1124  Economy / Economics / Re: How to teach kids about Bitcoin? on: April 04, 2017, 06:23:57 AM
Personally I feel scared to even teach my teenage brother on the way of bitcoin because of the exposure he might get which I am scared could go on and inform his decisions even as simple as claim I faucets is as a way of starters, I am skeptical about his involvement in the majority of scam sites and HYIPs and if that is to my teenage brother, the I dont think kids should be brought in to the picture at all...

Getting scammed online never physically hurt anyone so far unless of course the damage was inflicted to one's self. If you're fine right now, then you're brother probably will be fine as well. I haven't seen someone goes to trauma or whatnot just because he got scammed by some HYIP site. You should just warn him right away to never invest in a website, never deposit money, never use personal email address, and never use the same password.

Prevention is better than cure. It should be clear to him right away that everyone will try to scam you especially if you show them that you are new in the game.
1125  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: April 04, 2017, 06:10:18 AM
Banks taking bitcoin and exchanging it into USD is fine but banks actually holding private keys is just asking to be hacked and losing funds that cant easily be replaced. Even if they insured everything new of a 100 million dollar bitcoin hack would push the price up and force them to get coins at a more expensive rate, which they wont do. Its a bad scenario.

More like bitcoin hack would the pull the price down. What comes after a major bitcoin hack? Dump. This is useful to someone that was just about to invest his money to bitcoins and to those that are trading bitcoins. But, to those people that own the bitcoins, it's chaos.

I don't think banks will insure anything at all. They accepted bitcoins, why put 100 million dollars for insurance when they could've invested that money somewhere else. Besides, banks are owned by the government and the government hates bitcoins.

I'm not sure what's the point of you saying about taking bitcoins in exchange of dollars but if they hold private keys, they are just waiting for hackers? You need a bitcoin wallet to accept bitcoins and preferably 1 address for each bank user. And what does those addresses have? Yup. Private keys. You can't accept bitcoins without ever generating a private key.
1126  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 04, 2017, 05:42:43 AM
Best investment new which I have founded is matrix site because when you find a team you can earn a really big money and become rich really fast what is 100x better than invest in some cyclers,casions and other things.

What is matrix site, and how to find a team? Can you give more informations about this Matrix? I`m searching on the net, but all what I see is movie and some stupid games, I wish to earn nice money, not big, but something nice would be good, please share more about this matrix site, and how to find team and other important things that you think we need to be successful. Thanks in advance, I will check topic again for answer or you can send me pm, thanks.

Let me warn you right there. I'm doing you a favor. Don't listen to any PM you will get from him. A matrix is basically a Multi-Level Marketing aka Networking. Anything that sounds too good to be true, especially online, is a scam. 100x your money? Are you kidding me? Maybe you can do that but it will require you thousands of referrals. Are you sure you can persuade or manipulate people into paying money just so he can join a company? Everyone knows about these little scams that gets renamed a lot.

MLM, Matrix, Rev Share, they are all ponzi schemes with different payment mechanisms. Ultimately, all of them depends on the payments of the newcomers and nothing else. There's no method or investment going on behind all that, just pure scams.
1127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: April 04, 2017, 05:22:17 AM
On this post I saw a number of people who are saying that signature campaign is the best source of bitcoin but I am new comer and cannot join any signature campaign that is why for me signature campaign is not a best source of bitcoin while I am spending a good time in faucet and from there I am earning some bitcoins.

Yes I also say siganture campaign is one of the best source of bitcoin now a days. Just wait until your rank become member or full member because the payout of that rank is good. You must maintain your post in good quality so if you apply in signature campaign you accept . I dont like faucet because you cannot get good payout by doing it. Unless you have thousands of active referrals thats work for you.

I have never managed to make a one working referral, let alone thousands, so I agree with you, faucets bring almost nothing. I think mining is a pretty good source of BTC but you have to invest over $1,000 first which not many can afford. So, yes, for the people who don't have over $1k to invest, sig campaigns are among the best sources o Bitcoin today. Another good source is when you ask to pay you in BTC for the job you've done,  worked for me twice so far.

"It didn't work for me, pretty sure it's not working out for everybody else." How about no? I'm sure that if you put enough effort on finding referrals, you will get active referrals. Simply knowing a friend that's interested in bitcoins gives you one potential active referral. If you don't have someone who's interested in bitcoins, then make them. Talk about bitcoins to them and tell them how much you've made so far.

You don't just post your referral link on Facebook and then expect someone to join you. It doesn't work that way. Others make blog about bitcoin just to get referrals. It's on you how are you going to make people sign up under you.
1128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: April 04, 2017, 05:05:39 AM
Although, they could make it illegal, it would be nearly impossible to track people who continue to use Bitcoin and governments probably wouldn't be bothered to track who is using Bitcoin. They would have more things to care about. I would continue to use it anyway.

Trust me, they will track some bitcoin users just to set an example to the mass. That's just how things work anyway. Weed gets illegal, people will still not stop smoking weed. Flash news, someone using weed goes to jail, everybody becomes low-key and cautious about smoking weed. Everybody gets frightened. Ever wonder why there's always crime in the news? That's so they can keep on reminding us not to do that crime, otherwise, we will go to jail.

Some bitcoin users don't know what they are doing. They cannot cover their tracks. Thus, if someone would want to track them, it'll be easy. So even though you feel safe and mighty behind all those VPN, you will still be frightened if you see a fellow bitcoin user in the news for getting arrested for using bitcoins.
1129  Economy / Economics / Re: If bitcoin price is $10.000, will fiat be worthless? on: April 04, 2017, 04:55:36 AM
No I don't agree.The reason is that Bitcoin can reach that value pretty fast and the circunstances why this happens could be so different.
Fiat will still be around in decades!A success for Bitcoin in terms of value in fiat doesn't have to be connected with losing value of fiat.
Let's just some of the gold holders switch over to Bitcoin, online gaming, gambling, foreign remittances and e-commerce use Bitcoin in a larger magnitude and boom you have your $10k BTC.Euro, Dollar, Yen, Yuan etc will still be around and used by general public.

i agree with you, although bitcoin was worth $ 10,000, fiat will remain the world's financial foundation.

I agree with you. Regardless of what price will be at bitcoin, it will never become the main currency. After all, the government will not accept a cryptocurrency as its national currency

I beg to differ. The price of bitcoin, especially when it's around 10k USD, is the indicator that people are using bitcoins and merchants are accepting bitcoins. Let's say the price of bitcoin is already at 100k USD (hypothetically), then that means huge investors, businessmen, and large companies have already entered the game. Almost everyone is starting to become a bitcoin user. This will destroy the government's taxation since they cannot collect any.

At that point, bitcoin is already the main currency. It might not be a regulated and government owned/issued currency, but it is the main currency because everyone's using it.
1130  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: April 02, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
bitcoin is suitable for long-term investment because bitcoin very good rate and increasing every year



This is why bitcoin is good for investment, because of good value fluctuation, though there were times of price down yet it goes back to high price.
And yes, it is good to start now and invest it for long term for more profit to get.
Fluctuations are only important when you are trading (could be regular trading or slow trading). If you're planning to hodl your coins for the long term, then these fluctuations are not something you should worry about.

Just look at all the fluctuations (and there were pretty nasty ones) that we went through in the last years. Did it affect the long term price? No. That's why if you aren't trading, you should discard these fluctuations.

For long term trading, there are only two times when you have to worry about the fluctuation. It's on the time that you're about to invest your money, and at the time that you're about to convert your coins. Whatever happens in between is totally irrelevant since you cannot go back to the past.

Actually, even in short term trading, this can be applied as well. Within 24 hours, a lot of things can happen. But only two things actually matter, the starting and finishing point.

Some say that when you are going to trade long term, might as well take advantage of the price fluctuations so in the end, you'll have much more bitcoin than you invested. But I actually say the opposite. Because trading is a matter of knowledge and experience. If you don't give it enough attention and time, you might just end up losing what you've invested.
1131  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin had a stable price, would it still be as popular? on: April 02, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Do you think if BTC had a stable price which could only be altered by $0.01-0.10 it would still be as popular and as used?
If Bitcoin had a stable price,then there is a greater chance for it to be accepted as a payment in almost all shops.Shop owners now fear to accept bitcoins due to its high volatile nature.But on the other hand,traders would lose their interest in buying bitcoins due to its stable price.
Yes you are right but the traders will search the another coins that has high fluctuation in price
they will choose the altcoins to make profit bitcoin will become coin withdrawal after getting profit from trading altcoins
 it is good for altcoins and it will become reason bitcoin needs altcoins for traders.
In the other hand, altcoins also need bitcoin since altcoin doesn't have a value without bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only crypto currency coin that is decentralized which can be traded with altcoins, crypto currency coins, and fiat money which can't be same with other currency.

Minor altcoins "might" need bitcoins because it has been a tradition that new altcoins are traded against bitcoins. But nowadays, it's kind of different. We have ETH now which is both decentralized and can be traded into other altcoins, and other coins can be traded into ETH not only bitcoins. Some coins can even be traded directly to USD.

I've been using Liqui Exchange for quite a while now and their new update enables you to place buy/sell orders on ETH, BTC, and USD when trading all the coins listed on their site. Although of course there are other exchanges that allows you to do this as well but I think it's mostly just with major coins such as Ether.
1132  Economy / Economics / Re: How to teach kids about Bitcoin? on: April 02, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
the system teach to kids not diference another people is same
the first learn about bitcoin wallet, make bitcoin addres, safe addres and more
is about wallet addres is known, so learn about find bitcoin

And then what? That's just the creation of the bitcoin wallet and nothing else. That's a tiny bit of knowledge that you can get from bitcoins. Literally every bitcoin users know how to do that. There are sites (aka online wallets) that even allow you to register using your e-mail, verify it, and then that's it. You're good to go. I'd say that's just the step one of learning about bitcoins.



I find this very interesting, as I am a 'kid' myself, at the age of 12 years old. I started using Bitcoin about 6 months ago. The best way to teach a child something is to let them learn it themselves. I had to file a tax return last your for the capital gains i made just off of the stock market...
I taught myself the way to invest at the age of 8, and with a little bit of help, i made over 2000 dollars off of the stock market last year. I taught myself investing, and thats the way bitcoin should be shown to children. Thanks,
Jack
PS- I prefer ripple and other alts over btc, but my .5 btc is in it for the long run.

And you learned trolling like, 2 months ago? Obvious troll is obvious.
1133  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: April 02, 2017, 02:51:55 PM
We cannot replace fiat with bitcoin because it has a fluctuated price in the market and I don't think it can be recognized by business owners who wanted stable income, specially nowadays competition is still an outbreak. So don't be discourage because bitcoin still can be a source of sustainable fiat cash, that can be use for your daily life spending on important things which you really needed.

That is right, bitcoin is a good asset and it's price is a really good price as a digital currency, we all know the problems of bitcoin, and if bitcoin will replace fiat, then it will not be the only problem of users but all the people. It can turn the whole world into chaos, I am really good and comfortable where bitcoin is at right now, I am enjoying using it, paying my bills and loads with it. It will be a way to sustain yourself fiat, but it will not replace fiat.

Let's say that bitcoin has replaced fiat. There will be other cryptocurrencies that will stand out. Probably the major ones we have right now like Ether, Dash, and Litecoin. But of course I don't know that those will still be the major coins at that time for sure since the wind can change our sails anytime.

Anyway, people will not use only bitcoin. They will not battle their way in in every transaction that they do. After all, there's plenty of choices on what cryptocurrency to use. Maybe every country can even have their own decentralized and unregulated cryptocurrency just so we are not crowded up in the bitcoin transactions.

In other words, in the rise of bitcoins and the fall of fiat, it will be more of a rise of cryptocurrencies because we can't all be using bitcoins because the transactions will be even more slower and/or the transaction fees will become even higher unless they've already solved this issue.
1134  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: April 02, 2017, 02:39:19 PM
You can get around 0.03 btc per week in a signature campaign.But if you want 0.1 btc per week,then you have to invest some bitcoin and start trading in Bitcoin/Altcoin.I think its the legit way to earn bitcoin nowadays.
He needs different source of bitcoin, grab all the opportunities you can do and if you think it is for you. Just take the simple and easy tasks first then if you have the spare time to try and learn the other things then do it to acquire new and more skills that can help on your future endeavors. Don't waste your time on not important things.

So are you saying to prioritized things? But what if he is doing signature campaign and trading as well. What should he prioritize? We all know that in trading it takes a lot of your time to understand and learn a lot of things. So trading first before doing signature campaign?

It all depends on you. If you're thinking of something for the long run, then you definitely should prioritize learning how to trade. Signature campaigns will always be there. It shouldn't be your priority unless you're living from paycheck to paycheck and you're depending on the pay from signature campaigns.

Just think about it like this. Signature campaigns will give you money in a week, but it's not as much as what you'll get from trading. Tasks like these give you money after a short period of time although the pay is quite low. While stuffs that you have to actually learn and experience like trading pays really really low at first but it increases depending on how much you've improved your skill.
1135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: April 01, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
Maybe bitcoin will die when a horrible disaster attack the whole world and make all the system down or if you want the good reasons maybe it will die if there's no electricity anymore. But the greatest possibility that can happen is when some people success to create a system or virus to make bitcoin worthless.

Electricity is quite renewable and can't be erased in this world. There's tons of stuffs that can be a source of energy/electricity. Even just the sun, you can get solar energy from that. From the wind, even, you get wind energy. There's geothermal energy. Tons of sources of energy so I really doubt that one day, there's just no electricity anymore. It's possible that some element or some force comes to the world that prohibits us from using electricity, but there will never be absence of electricity.

I really don't know how can someone make a virus and then it will just make bitcoin worthless. What exactly will the virus do? Take down the bitcoin network? Hmm. No. I just don't think a system or a virus can take all these down.
1136  Economy / Economics / Re: How to teach kids about Bitcoin? on: April 01, 2017, 03:54:07 PM
Today's generation of kids are technically advanced and so,they would not feel any difficulty in learning about bitcoins.We could show them some animated videos which explains about bitcoin.We could ask them to visit some faucet sites which pays bitcoins for it.Since,bitcoin is considered as future of the economy,it would be helpful for them when they grow up.

They know how to use a tablet or even a computer but that doesn't mean they will have the knowledge to understand how bitcoins work. Maybe they can understand that bitcoin is a currency of the Internet but any one can understand that. Nothing special about kids being able to use technology. To understand what bitcoin is, it will still require some basic education.

No one's considering bitcoin as the future of economy except for the people that use it and are knowledgeable about it. Thinking about all the advantage you get from using bitcoins, you will really get that idea but in reality? I think it's the opposite. Economy will always be built by money issued by the government also known as fiat.
1137  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin had a stable price, would it still be as popular? on: April 01, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
in fact, I think that bitcoin is more easily obtained than usd. so, I feel, when the price of bitcoin stable, of course bitcoin will remain popular, even it could be becoming more popular than this, because a lot of countries that might recognize bitcoin as an international currency because it has a stable price, and of course the popularity bitcoin will further increase.

It depends on your skills. If your skills are about technology especially programming, gaining bitcoins can be much easier most especially if you live in a third world country. Seriously, almost every job in third world countries sucks except of course the huge ones. Even those that have a degree can get much less than what you can gain from trading, doing signature campaigns, and participating in ICO bounties. Well, that's the case for my country at least. Bitcoin is much easier to accumulate than fiat.

Most people that I talked to in slack get their bitcoins from buying using the money they get from their day job and nothing else. They don't do signature campaign or anything. Pretty sure it's because you get 10-15$ per hour from a day job even from just working in McDonald's. USD is much easier to get when you're in a first world country.

But ultimately, it still depends on who you are. If you're someone who has a company IRL, fiat might be much easier for you to get while if you're someone big in the online world, like if you're a programmer and people always ask for your service, then bitcoin can be much easier to get for you.
1138  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: April 01, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
You are right, employers now are looking for those who are skillful and smart not just hard working... I consider online money making as my sideline because I am busy that I usually do everyday. So having an extra soucre of income can help you to earn more money.
When I was in college and not married, I could generate around $700 - $1,000 per month from the internet from paid per click programs such as google adsense, infolinks, bidvertiser, chitika and so forth. But after married and working, my internet earning was drop (only around $100 per month). I agree that with the internet we can generate greater than real work.
Unless you could no longer dedicate as much time as you did in the past I don’t see how your marriage could in any way or form become an interference in your ability to make money online, the most likely reason is that as more people try to make money online then it becomes harder to make profits out of those activities.

This is the usual "The success of others lessens my success". It doesn't. Although it might seem that there's a competition, it's actually a good thing. It increases the demand for those people that can actually do the work and can do it better than most. The only ones that are frightened by the amount of online workers are those that stay on the basic level and don't practice to make the service or skills that they offer better.

As more people are offering the same skill, the competition increases. But so is the number of people looking for that service. So you don't have to worry about it at all.
1139  Economy / Economics / Re: WILL BITCOIN BE USED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN 2022? on: April 01, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
There are some who believed that it will be used in 2022, most of bitcoins users believes that idea, in fact they found the similarity of it when emails are still new. At late 1990's people used to laugh about what email can do they found it ridiculous and just a waste of time, but look at now people nowadays are all using emails as a sign of communication and transaction. Same as bitcoin if you ask a person what bitcoin is they have no idea and when you teach them they'll just say it is just a waste of time and say HA-HA. I believe that in that year people will use bitcoin it is because it is a digital money that connects people around the world without any hustle. And it has potential assets that paper money cannot do.

"Most of bitcoin users believes that idea" can you back this up with some article or some statistics or some survey?

Almost everything that is new is laughable by those that don't know about it. In the world war II, if you told someone that it will be possible to talk to other people around the world and we will all be addicted to Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace, you will be laughed at too. Back then, talking to people far away from you is like magic and if you tell people that it's possible and you're doing it already, they will think your crazy and, again, laugh at you.

Today, people are more open. When you mention bitcoin to someone, they will not laugh at you (just yet). But when you start telling them that you're making good amount of money and you're doing better than everyone else in the room, they will laugh at you. They'll say it's some sort of scam and you're just telling it to them so you can invite them to sign up under your referral. Oh well. Grin
1140  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between Bitcoin and real money? on: April 01, 2017, 09:41:39 AM
Actually, bitcoin can only be access through internet connection while fiat can be used in both ways online and offline purchasing. I guess thats is the only main difference of the both. Bitcoin will never work without internet.

You can also use bitcoins offline by making a wallet that has the address that contains the said amount. You'll give the wallet (with the private key on the paper) to the guy you're transacting with. He can check online that the address you're giving him actually have that amount of bitcoin before you guys meetup. And then later on import the private key on his wallet and go online to move the btc to his actual wallet.



You basically can't differentiate between the 2 as both have there own features.
If you see the price of currency doesn't change while the price of bitcoin keeps increasing and decreasing.
People use currency to buy stuffs from groceries while bitcoin isn't adopted for activities like this.
Plus currency can be printed so in general it has unlimited supply while bitcoin has high demand but supply is less


Bitcoin is just more volatile and it traded a lot but fiat currencies surely do move as well. But it doesn't move as much as bitcoins.
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