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1201  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 05, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
I know that Nitrogen has made payouts of over $100,000 USD but can't think of any other bitcoin only books that have paid out that much at one time.
1202  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 05, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
Hello!

This is me Swofty a Cloudbet user. Who is still waiting for my withdrawal!Now they have blocked me because I bet on Superbowl! While they are investigating. And my bet won also by the way. So they just said its cancelled and refunded. Easily Smiley so yes they blocked my account with no notice. And the reason when i asked why im blocked is that I bet on Superbowl.I had been nice and patient to them. But now this get really makes me worry and stress. 330 BTC is alot of money. That is for myself and for my family savings.

To tell you the truth. I withdrawed on January 2, 2019 they asked me a documents. Which I gave right away. I gave them my drivers license ID. I gave them my tax document, and I even took a photo of myself holding a paper saying Cloudbet, my username Swofty and the date. I even gave them our marriage certificate, gave them water bill which is name of my wife and an ID of my wife. And then we both took a picture also holding our IDs together.I just want to get my rightful winnings. I deposited a total of 129 BTC in their website. And I never cheat or I never did something wrong. I just want to take my winnings and be happy.

But now this makes me sick and I just dont know what to do. Since they are responding a robot like respond or an repeating answer everytime.I had been patient enough. Cloudbet guys knows that. And I just really want to take my winnings. Because I gave every documents I could give. And I had been a nice customer. Please. Just please give me my rightful winnings. Thank you so much

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment

Swofty - Thanks for bringing this over to make us all aware of your situation with Cloudbet. This is truly disturbing considered the amount that you have deposited. I wish you the best in recovering your funds.
1203  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 05, 2019, 04:49:30 AM

Hi Guys,

I just stumbled over this thread! apologies for the delay! Im new to looking after some of the customer comments here on the forum but have been with Sportsbet.io from the start.

So ANY questions you want to ask me, ill answer them 100% honestly.. regardless if you agree with the answers or not.  Tongue Tongue

We have some great things happening in 2019 and we want you all on the journey with us.

This week we launched Horse Racing! come to our site and check it out..

I wish I could tell you what my boss is doing next week in a Western European Country, but its Soccer season and some BIG competitions are playing in Western Europe! As soon as I can, Ill tell ya.  Wink  ( Remeber this COMMENT!)

We have a Superbowl Free Spin promotion going on this weekend. Check out our promo page for more detail.

We have the most responsive 24/7 live chat sportbook chat agents on the planet, come and test them out! any probs at all, message/post them here and Ill look after it.   Cool

thanks lads,

Steve
sportsbet.io



Hi Steve,

Thanks for posting in this thread and for the PM today. Here are some of the reasons for the "D-" rating.

1. Margins - The margins (odds) at Sportsbet are very high. It's almost impossible for a player to overcome that type of hold with vanilla lines.

2. Self-exclusion - When a player asks for self-exclusion, Sportsbet steers the player towards taking a temporary ban.

3. Areezy - Under no circumstances should a book be able to cancel a futures play. Areezy has given me permission to look into his account. If there is something that is missing, please PM.

4. KYC/AML - There are rare cases where KYC may be required. Sportsbet is heavy handed on KYC and confiscated 21.5 BTC form a player of which 15 BTC was from his deposit.

5. Double spend claims - Sportsbet should wait for 1 confirmation if they are going to confiscate funds for an "accused" double spend attempt.

6. Communication - A PM was sent to all books asking if they banned players from the UK or US. Every book replied within a day except Sportsbet.


Morning All,

First of all, I can't believe I missed the Superbowl! Looked like a cracking game.

Second, I usually use this thread here to pump out my promos. ( yes, i pretty much will be doing the main sports promotions this year )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1458034.4160

Thirdly, we payed out a 75,000 euro multi bet the other week that was cashed out after 10 winning legs and the 11th leg actually was lost!
Another 110,000 euros was paid to a customer who had a good weekend betting on Basketball Qtr totals.
My boss is very happy to pay out big and fast! When I first started in the industry I was scared of the big wins! but as my boss always says, if the customer wins, give them their money!

Anyhow! onto the above Questions of the day, and then Ill pay out our Superbowl promotion!

1. Margins - yeah a popular Q for most books I guess. I know some leagues we are near market leaders, and on some we struggle a bit. Our trading team and Sportsbook Director are trying to find the best balance. For value Id recommend taking our daily price boost on EACH SPORT! yes.. that = >20 potential price boosts daily.
2. Self Exclusion- Not really my or trading/ops guys area, we have a particular person fully responsible for every case. She is extremely experienced as she is from one of the worlds biggest bookmakers. When She speaks, we listen.
3. Abreezy - As mentioned in a personal message, its pretty clear you are not getting all the correct information here. I won't be going into the dirty detail, but rest assured, the result was in the best interest of the customer on the information abreezy provided us.
As for this: ''Under no circumstances should a book be able to cancel a futures play''
Unfortunately, pretty much we can. We haven't done it in the past as it is unethical, but this was a situation that needed to be urgently done. I couldn't careless if Liverpool win or not. its half a bitcoin payout and we do that on an hourly basis. This is not the financial amount that is the issue. As mentioned, we were left with no option but to proceed down this path after a long period of discussion with the customer in question.

4. KYC procedure: Out of my jurisdiction, but i can tell you that my boss pays out any winnings. Im not sure of this case in question, but if money was confiscated, once again Id say that player in question has not filled all of us in with the full and correct information here.

5. Probably. Ill mention it to our support payouts team.

6. Apologies on missing that email. We had a few guys looking after the forums in the past and Im not sure what happened.


Have a good Monday all and speak again soon!

regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io

Karma will get you one day. Feeling all safe because of a fake licensed casino. Such a shame, if you were listed on MGA then you wouldnt be talking like that at all. You would lose your license in a instant, the ''license'' you currently have lets you do whatever you want, because its fake everybody knows that. Those people never get back to you.
Unfortunately Sportsbet is located in an unregulated jurisdiction and they are making up their own rules.
1204  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 04, 2019, 09:48:00 PM
I can attest that bitcoinrush credits the account with the wins already. It is definitely quick and I am really happy with it. Not only they have the greatest odds, they are also very quick on anything else. Deposits, withdrawals, adding games, paying out the wins, helping on support, answering on the topic. Basically anything you would want the sportsbook to be fast about they are. That is the only feedback I can give about so far, I also played on nitrogen however I can't check it right now since I forgot my password and it is saved on my PC's google (who really types their password anymore Cheesy) so I will notify about them when I get there as well but I am sure that works as well. It is really great that we have this much of a big game every year, it makes it super fun for at least a day.
Thanks Supercrypt.

To all, please keep feedback coming in.
1205  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 04, 2019, 09:26:35 AM

Hi Guys,

I just stumbled over this thread! apologies for the delay! Im new to looking after some of the customer comments here on the forum but have been with Sportsbet.io from the start.

So ANY questions you want to ask me, ill answer them 100% honestly.. regardless if you agree with the answers or not.  Tongue Tongue

We have some great things happening in 2019 and we want you all on the journey with us.

This week we launched Horse Racing! come to our site and check it out..

I wish I could tell you what my boss is doing next week in a Western European Country, but its Soccer season and some BIG competitions are playing in Western Europe! As soon as I can, Ill tell ya.  Wink  ( Remeber this COMMENT!)

We have a Superbowl Free Spin promotion going on this weekend. Check out our promo page for more detail.

We have the most responsive 24/7 live chat sportbook chat agents on the planet, come and test them out! any probs at all, message/post them here and Ill look after it.   Cool

thanks lads,

Steve
sportsbet.io



Hi Steve,

Thanks for posting in this thread and for the PM today. Here are some of the reasons for the "D-" rating.

1. Margins - The margins (odds) at Sportsbet are very high. It's almost impossible for a player to overcome that type of hold with vanilla lines.

2. Self-exclusion - When a player asks for self-exclusion, Sportsbet steers the player towards taking a temporary ban.

3. Areezy - Under no circumstances should a book be able to cancel a futures play. Areezy has given me permission to look into his account. If there is something that is missing, please PM.

4. KYC/AML - There are rare cases where KYC may be required. Sportsbet is heavy handed on KYC and confiscated 21.5 BTC form a player of which 15 BTC was from his deposit.

5. Double spend claims - Sportsbet should wait for 1 confirmation if they are going to confiscate funds for an "accused" double spend attempt.

6. Communication - A PM was sent to all books asking if they banned players from the UK or US. Every book replied within a day except Sportsbet.


Morning All,

First of all, I can't believe I missed the Superbowl! Looked like a cracking game.

Second, I usually use this thread here to pump out my promos. ( yes, i pretty much will be doing the main sports promotions this year )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1458034.4160

Thirdly, we payed out a 75,000 euro multi bet the other week that was cashed out after 10 winning legs and the 11th leg actually was lost!
Another 110,000 euros was paid to a customer who had a good weekend betting on Basketball Qtr totals.
My boss is very happy to pay out big and fast! When I first started in the industry I was scared of the big wins! but as my boss always says, if the customer wins, give them their money!

Anyhow! onto the above Questions of the day, and then Ill pay out our Superbowl promotion!

1. Margins - yeah a popular Q for most books I guess. I know some leagues we are near market leaders, and on some we struggle a bit. Our trading team and Sportsbook Director are trying to find the best balance. For value Id recommend taking our daily price boost on EACH SPORT! yes.. that = >20 potential price boosts daily.
2. Self Exclusion- Not really my or trading/ops guys area, we have a particular person fully responsible for every case. She is extremely experienced as she is from one of the worlds biggest bookmakers. When She speaks, we listen.
3. Abreezy - As mentioned in a personal message, its pretty clear you are not getting all the correct information here. I won't be going into the dirty detail, but rest assured, the result was in the best interest of the customer on the information abreezy provided us.
As for this: ''Under no circumstances should a book be able to cancel a futures play''
Unfortunately, pretty much we can. We haven't done it in the past as it is unethical, but this was a situation that needed to be urgently done. I couldn't careless if Liverpool win or not. its half a bitcoin payout and we do that on an hourly basis. This is not the financial amount that is the issue. As mentioned, we were left with no option but to proceed down this path after a long period of discussion with the customer in question.

4. KYC procedure: Out of my jurisdiction, but i can tell you that my boss pays out any winnings. Im not sure of this case in question, but if money was confiscated, once again Id say that player in question has not filled all of us in with the full and correct information here.

5. Probably. Ill mention it to our support payouts team.

6. Apologies on missing that email. We had a few guys looking after the forums in the past and Im not sure what happened.


Have a good Monday all and speak again soon!

regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io

Steve,

I respect you for coming back to address each point. On 1-4, I strongly disagree. I don't want to rip into each answer but feel that your rating is justified. It looks like you brought people from Will Hill, although Will Hill would never do what you are doing. One thing I'd like to correct is point 1 on your odds:

Using the top 3 books, Nitrogen, Betcoin and Bitcoinrush along with Sportsbet, to rank margins (odds):

A) EPL - Sportsbet last. The hold is more than double of the other 3.
B) Other Major European Major Soccer - Sportsbet last.
C) UEFA Champions League - Sportsbet last.
D) UEFA Nationals League - Sportsbet 3rd of the 4.
E) Baseball - Sportsbet last.
F) NFL - Sportsbet last.
G) ATP Tennis - Sportsbet last.
H) WTA Tennis - Sportsbet last.
I) MMA - Sportsbet 3rd.
J) UFC - Sportsbet 3rd.
K) NBA - Sportsbet 3rd.
L) NHL - Sportsbet 3rd.

Odds courtesy of Darkstar.


1206  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 04, 2019, 04:55:01 AM
Sportsbet came in and saw the questions and ran back away. What are they suppose to say ?
Yeah, we stole money from people with super efficiency and find the best case scenario of what we can make from each and one of you ?

It is impossible to get them confess but we all know the truth. If a person has a self exclusion from the games that is one thing and I can understand voiding the bets however when a bet is still active and self exclusion has no end date it means game should continue and considering he was winning the bet and Liverpool will win the only reason why they gave him the money back and voided the bet is that he was winning.

What happens if someone gambles on Leicester to win the league and then realizes he is not going to win, will they just void his bet and give him his money back ? No chance at all, if that was the case I could just put in 10k dollars into all games and whenever the champion is looking like its decided I will void all other accounts and keep only the winning one and make myself rich quite quickly. They only paid him back because he was winning, they wouldn't pay him back if he was losing, simple as that.
Great post.



Now that the Super Bowl is over, please post if any payouts are taking longer than 2 hours. All other feedback is appreciated. There should be some changes in the next week.
1207  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 02, 2019, 11:17:21 PM
Super Bowl Contests for recommended books:

Nitrogen: https://blog.nitrogensports.eu/promotions/7-days-super-bowl-53/?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=social_media&utm_campaign=7days_sb53&utm_content=main_blog_post

Betcoin
: https://www.betcoin.ag/super-bowl-prop-madness-175-mbtc-guaranteed-prizes

Bitcoinrush: https://www.bitcoinrush.io/squares/index
1208  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 02, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
Cool to see Sportsbet.io come in here and speak for themselves. Will be much cooler if they actually address some of the things that's putting them in the D category. New promotions are all welcome, but if the old problems can't go away, it's something that players never forget.

High claim to have most responsive chat agents too! Are they also good at discussing technical issues?
Agree 100%. I hope Steve jumps back in again to address those questions.
1209  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 02, 2019, 02:59:36 AM

Hi Guys,

I just stumbled over this thread! apologies for the delay! Im new to looking after some of the customer comments here on the forum but have been with Sportsbet.io from the start.

So ANY questions you want to ask me, ill answer them 100% honestly.. regardless if you agree with the answers or not.  Tongue Tongue

We have some great things happening in 2019 and we want you all on the journey with us.

This week we launched Horse Racing! come to our site and check it out..

I wish I could tell you what my boss is doing next week in a Western European Country, but its Soccer season and some BIG competitions are playing in Western Europe! As soon as I can, Ill tell ya.  Wink  ( Remeber this COMMENT!)

We have a Superbowl Free Spin promotion going on this weekend. Check out our promo page for more detail.

We have the most responsive 24/7 live chat sportbook chat agents on the planet, come and test them out! any probs at all, message/post them here and Ill look after it.   Cool

thanks lads,

Steve
sportsbet.io



Hi Steve,

Thanks for posting in this thread and for the PM today. Here are some of the reasons for the "D-" rating.

1. Margins - The margins (odds) at Sportsbet are very high. It's almost impossible for a player to overcome that type of hold with vanilla lines.

2. Self exclusion - When a player asks for self-exclusion, Sportsbet steers the player towards taking a temporary ban.

3. Areezy - Under no circumstances should a book be able to cancel a futures play. Areezy has given me permission to look into his account. If there is something that is missing, please PM.

4. KYC/AML - There are rare cases where KYC may be required. Sportsbet is heavy handed on KYC and confiscated 21.5 BTC form a player of which 15 BTC was from his deposit.

5. Double spend claims - Sportsbet should wait for 1 confirmation if they are going to confiscate funds for an "accused" double spend attempt.

6. Communication - A PM was sent to all books asking if they banned players from the UK or US. Every book replied within a day except Sportsbet.
1210  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 01, 2019, 06:05:13 PM
Hey Peeps-

I've been trying to access to my Anonibet account since September, 2017.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55365.msg21877924#msg21877924

Anonibet hasn't been active here since July 24, 2018.



Anonibet hasn't been active on Twitter since August 11, 2018

https://twitter.com/Anonibet

When I try to log-in to my account, I am asked to email Support from my original registered email account; which I have done.

I am wondering if Anonibet has already exited; but you have them listed as a "C" rated Sportsbook.

Can you help get in contact with Anonibet; I'd really like some assistance in accessing my account.

Much appreciated!





Check PM. You should be good to go. Anonibet even made an appearance in their thread today.
1211  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 01, 2019, 06:03:37 PM
One last warning prior to the Super Bowl. It's highly recommended to only have money in top books until some payouts after the Super Bowl. Some books may take the added money from Super Bowl bets as an opportunity to run with player's funds and close shop.
That is the worst financial decision anyone could really make. If you own a sportsbook and many people gamble on your website for the super bowl that means you are getting great customer numbers and wagered amounts. Even tough the odds are probably against the sportsbook on that game (its likely that the winner is getting less odds but still a loss) you will get that back from the customers who found out about your website during the search for superbowl betting.

Everyone could bet on big websites like nitrogen and so forth which means if they are not going with big ones and select your smaller website, do not run them away from you, find a way to keep them, offer people who bet on superbowl some promotions and bonuses for the next bets they will have, that way you can steer them away from big websites to yours, running away can give you one big win but keeping them there will give you big wins all the time.

In the past, there have been fiat books that left right after the Super Bowl. One had a unique line and others have given away some nice bonuses for the Super Bowl. If a book plans to leave, next week is the time to do it. Half the bitcoin books have gone under.
1212  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: February 01, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
1213  Economy / Gambling / Re: Overview of Bitcoin Accepting Sportsbooks (with margin/house edge comparisons) on: January 31, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
yes, can't believe a sportsbook offering fiat deposits without KYC would last very long....

hmm not sure about that to be honest , for example I use a fiat broker that accepts bitcoin and they told me they don't have KYC for bitcoin users
I have been using them for around 1 year now and still able to deposit and withdraw without KYC
so don't think that fiat always mean KYC applied
Brokers are different. Some do and some don't.
1214  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 31, 2019, 09:15:12 AM
One last warning prior to the Super Bowl. It's highly recommended to only have money in top books until some payouts after the Super Bowl. Some books may take the added money from Super Bowl bets as an opportunity to run with player's funds and close shop.
1215  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 11:46:29 PM
Another black eye for Sportsbet is that if someone asks for self-exclusion, Sportsbet steers them towards a temporary ban.

Quote
...........Your wellbeing is of the utmost importance. Therefore I would like to share the following information  with you; we can offer you:
1-week self-exclusion.
1-month self-exclusion.
6-month self-exclusion.
This gives you time to reflect on your situation and allows us to check in with you after your self-exclusion period to see if there is any further assistance we can offer you........................
1216  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Sportsbet's reply in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103517.0

Quote
Hi,

Please be advised we have been in regular contact with areezy regarding this self-exclusion procedure over a period of time. It became apparent that WE had to place areezy on a Permanent self-exclusion due to the claims of serious gambling issues ( Which, he is openly admitting here )

When the decision is reached and action is taken by us, any open bets are voided and money returned to the customer. ( areezy, we are still waiting for your reply to our last communication regarding Wallet so we can return the voided bets )

I was here when the Sportbet team voided the bets and it didn't matter if it was top placed team, or bottom-placed team. It was just important to cancel these and close this account down in the best interest of our customer.

I won't be going into any more detail about this case, as im sure you all understand there is a fair bit of information not mentioned here that doesn't need to be brought out to the public domain.

'areezy' please give the odds talk, the calculations and sports betting in general a rest for a while, a break is as good as a holiday hey?

regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io



If money were returned because of self exclusion, then many would be betting futures/outrights and excluding themselves when the future bet looked bad.

Many books have rules in place that are never invoked. Confiscating funds because of self exclusion should not be invoked. The player should be banned and all winnings paid along with futures that may accrue after self exclusion.

By the letter of the law, Sportsbet is allowed to confiscate the player's funds. If Sportsbet does confiscate money, it is showing to be a lower tiered book. This type of situation is why sportsbet does not have a high rating.
1217  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
Another SB contest https://blog.nitrogensports.eu/promotions/7-days-super-bowl-53/?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=social_media&utm_campaign=7days_sb53&utm_content=main_blog_post
1218  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:14:42 PM
I agree with the two of you above. It's never right to steal funds because of a multi-accounting accusation. Multi-accounts to circumvent limits or play at the same poker table is different than an accusation of multi-accounting for what isn't an unfair advantage.
1219  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
PM sent; I honestly had no idea that Anonibet was still in business.

Thank you kindly!
email sent. I'll get back to you as soon as I hear from them.
1220  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS : poster book discussion on: January 30, 2019, 03:08:04 AM
I gave Anonibet a test a few weeks ago and made a withdrawal. They were up as of that time.
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