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1901  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 04, 2023, 07:09:09 AM

Whatever things are forced will never end well, even when you work to earn money, you will only burden yourself if you force things that you can't actually get. In gambling, a calm mind is the key to victory. If your mind is confused then whatever decision you make will only end in big losses, try to think about whether there are successful people (in gambling or in business) who always force things out of control, they certainly won't do that, they will wait for the right moment and will always evaluate their plans if it goes wrong.

Of course, if you force an action or activity then the results will not be satisfactory or optimal, especially in gambling, if you play forcefully it is likely that the results will not be the same as what you want, instead of wanting to win what you will get is defeat.
Agree with you, it's a good idea to return to gambling in a good state or mind, the point is that we can maintain good control and gamble carefully.

Something if done by force will certainly not go well, although there is a chance it will go well but the end might be guessed,  with a bad end. they do what they want and expect something they can get according to their expectations, but the possibility of their expectations will only be a dream that is difficult to happen especially with gambling where it is unlikely that expectations will match reality. Many things must be considered to avoid the risk of gambling, not rash in deciding on choices, not expecting more from gambling, just accept what has been obtained and leave. Do not force yourself to be able to continue gambling by pursuing a victory that is difficult to get. Instead of spending a lot of money on gambling, they should spend it on other things that are more positive. That's better.
Even if you have gotten a victory it is better to immediately cash it in, not with the words "one more bet", it can trigger the loss of the winnings that have been obtained,  the winnings that have been obtained are better secured first than continuing the game where it can make them lose control as well as the loss of profits earned.
1902  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 04, 2023, 06:42:09 AM
Yes, that's right, most of them when they still have a balance so they don't think long, of course they will try to get what they want, if like this, don't they follow their greed or ego? Also I think they must have occasionally won a sufficient amount, but because of their curiosity maybe that makes them continue to gamble to get an unreasonable amount of winnings hahaha.
And indeed, if gambling is better not to expect more, in other words that by gambling we can get a lot of money easily. After all the more we spend a lot of money, the deeper we go and will be trapped inside with the difficulty of getting out. also the point of error is not in gambling but in ourselves who misinterpret gambling, if we can interpret gambling correctly and well maybe there won't be a lot of money spent on gambling. Prevention is better than cure, right? So we should not expect more from gambling.
Yes, they follow their greed or ego by trying to continue what they want, but they need to remember that if they continue, they have the potential to experience losses that might be bigger than before. And when the losses they receive become bigger, they still cannot accept it, and then they will deposit more money to try to recover their losses. Yes, we should prevent that from happening by always trying to apply good limits and responsibility when gambling so that we won't experience too many losses. Maybe we have been in a situation like that, which made us experience very difficult difficulties. Now, we have gained meaningful experience, so we should be able to be more responsible with ourselves when playing gambling.

It is unfortunate that they follow their ego and greed that plunges them deeper into gambling and it may also be difficult to get out of the trap they have felt. It can't be imagined that they have spent a lot of money on gambling if from the beginning they saved the money used for gambling maybe they could start a business that could clearly generate profits for themselves.
It's not wrong that they gamble, it's just that they can't limit their gambling nor do they have good responsibility, the mindset they have does not make them good but makes them addicted to gambling which will clearly harm them. If only they could limit their gambling activities maybe they wouldn't lose a lot of money gambling, but unfortunately it's the opposite.
1903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: December 04, 2023, 06:22:54 AM
For me any kind of addiction is bad. Although the ones OP is discussing are worst addiction. Gambling destroys finance of an addict and drug addiction destroys health. Ultimately both cause big issues with the family of addicts. In the end all addicts commit crime go to the extreme to satisfy thier addiction. An addict is an addict regardless of the kind of addiction they have.
Nothing positive can be expected from gambling rather nothing but family turmoil comes from gambling. A gambling addict does not hesitate to do any criminal activity just to give priority to his addiction without any regard for family peace and economic status. When a gambler is in a financial crisis, he commits more serious crimes, particularly heinous crimes such as theft and murder to finance his gambling. To manage gambling money in rural areas, many serious crimes of violence against women, including divorce, are being organized. Therefore, gambling cannot bring any positive results in our social context.
The financial strain caused by gambling addiction can indeed result in criminal activities, because people may resort to theft or other illegal means to fund their habits. This jeopardizes not only them self but also poses a threat to the safety and security of others in the community. The mention of crimes such as theft and murder highlights the extreme measures some individuals may take when trapped in the cycle of addiction and financial desperation.

The toll on family relationships, including divorce and domestic issues, is another grim aspect of the social impact of gambling. The societies need to address the issue of gambling addiction. This can play a crucial role in mitigating the negative consequences associated with addicted gambler's negative behavior. Those all underscores the need for a comprehensive approach to tackle the social challenges posed by gambling, including measures to prevent addiction and address the wider societal implications of problem gambling.

There are many ways to avoid gambling addiction, such as, not borrowing money, avoiding friends who are addicted to gambling, not gambling beyond the limit and others, actually many things can be done to avoid addiction. But if they consider gambling as a source of money income it will be difficult because they already have confidence in gambling that will provide income for them, even though it can be sure that the wins and losses they get must be greater than the losses they get.
They should be able to gamble with common sense so as not to get addicted to gambling. Because if you are addicted to gambling, it seems difficult to recover from this gambling addiction. There will also be many harmful effects if they are addicted to gambling, one of which is the relationship in the family as you said that gambling can also trigger depression, anxiety disorders and even worse suicide, increase the risk of children to gamble when they grow up, also the family will experience tremendous stress, because financial problems are the main problems faced by every family if one of the family members is involved in gambling addiction then their finances will be difficult because just one person who is addicted to gambling can cause many problems in his family. Not to mention that they may commit crimes as you said in the beginning.
1904  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 04, 2023, 06:01:32 AM
If you feel like people who do this kind of thing are just few and they are stupid, think again. This is so prevalent in the gambling industry that certain countries like Australia even had to impose a ban on using credit cards in gambling sites and sportsbets to make sure that no one's digging their own graves trying to gamble their whole life away. So yeah, real PSA for everyone out there, don't gamble if you can't afford shit. Gambling wouldn't give you anything but entertainment, the money is never a guarantee and by the moment you login your acccount/step inside the casino, you should already set your mind to the fact that you're not gonna win anything and you'd probably end up empty-handed after the ordeal, but don't let it get to you and just gamble for the sake of enjoyment.
One thing is to give warning to people against taking loan to gamble and another is left for them to accept the warning or not. Imposing a ban doesn't make them not scramble for other means to attain loans to use for gambling. Many gamblers do this alot and it baffles me what gives then the guarantee that they are going to win and recover their losses to be able to repay the loan money when they couldn't get a win when they were using their own very money that was taken as a loan. It's stupid and silly yet people do it and am lost in the ideology behind that action for people who this.

They take out a loan to go back to gambling just for the stupid purpose of recovering the losses they've incurred. That's not a good reason to take out a loan, it's a nonsense reason. Maybe they're doing it because they've lost their minds, so they believe borrowing will help them recover their losses. But they don't think about what will happen if they can't repay the debt, not only maybe but there will also be many problems that they will feel and have to face, there is no way they can avoid the problems they invited at the beginning.
also will invite high risk, instead of spending hours to gamble it is better to call family or friends to fill spare time. to avoid high risk situations they can do various techniques, such as.

1.Stay away from online casinos and gambling sites
2.Turn off your credit cards
3.Don't take out loans
4.Never carry large amounts of cash
5.Delete gambling apps from your phone
6.Don't socialize with friends who gamble
7.Avoid people, places and activities that you associate with gambling.

Gambling is not wrong if they can interpret it as entertainment, but most people misinterpret gambling to make them addicted to gambling.
1905  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 04, 2023, 05:42:03 AM
There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
Another fact is that because they have more capital they get more chances where the poor's doesn't. They have limited capital to bet. They can't even effort to play 20 games a day where rich are playing 100 even more games a day. It won't even matter if he looses 100 more. That's the key difference. If I had more rocks, I would have more chances to hit the target. Exactly this philosophy.

Maybe rich people will bet without hesitation because they have a lot of capital to gamble so they don't think about the chances of losing or winning where they bet just to get a sensation that can make them satisfied. Also rich people do have a greater chance of winning because they have a lot of capital as well as the bets they make with not small amounts, there is no doubt about the bets they make, while their money is there they will do it without the slightest doubt.

In contrast to poor people where they gamble with the aim of wanting to win so that they can bring it to meet their needs that are completely lacking, and also they gamble with anxiety fear of losing the money they have, gambling carefully does not guarantee they can win. There is still a big chance of losing and there is no avoiding that.
1906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Its A Gambling Joke But Reflects Bad Things About Gambling on: December 03, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
~snip~
Once a gambler makes one win after a long period of reckless gambling and consistent losses,  he celebrates and claims he is lucky. This win motivates him to put in more effort as there are still chances for him to win more (of which we know it doesn't always work that way). Now the big question is, was the win able to cover up all he has lost? The properties he sold to fund his games? Obviously not. While congratulating him for at least going home with a bike,we should also advise him to gamble in moderation. Set healthy budgets for himself and as much as possible avoid selling off important properties to fund his gambling habit. If he fails to adhere to advice, he might even sell the new bike and be lucky again to get a bicycle.
Getting a win after several losses is like water in the desert that gives us coolness. But we have to realize that it is a code for us so that we can stop because we have won and continue gambling another time. The wins we get will not be able to cover all the losses because the number of losses may be greater than the number of wins. He may also have difficulty purchasing property, such as cars that he has sold to gamble. But at least he has gained valuable experience from gambling, so that he must immediately reduce his gambling activities or even stop his gambling activities. It was for his own good so that he would not experience more losses and so that he could still own his property.

There is an extraordinary feeling of joy when they can finally get victory after sacrificing several or even dozens of defeats, as you said about getting a bottle of water that falls from the sky when you are in the middle of the desert, it makes sense to describe that feeling. the joy they got was  extraordinary. It is a good condition if your victory can restore everything you have lost, but the question is, will they be able to stop their activities in that condition? can they hold back everything that comes out of their minds as a result of curiosity? I'm not sure about this.

As proof, now more and more people are experiencing an increase in their level of addiction, meaning they always want to get something bigger because they think that luck is still not finished but there is no indication whatsoever that tells them that they are still in a lucky position. On the other hand, it is quite rare for me to see quite good recoveries, usually  their winnings will only cover half the money they have spent, meaning the amount of losses is still large. Simply put, if the wins they get are big enough then the number of losses they have experienced is much bigger. So I think only responsibility and recognizing something that has been lost can make them realize and stop.
1907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: December 03, 2023, 08:06:18 PM
Every gambler who has problems with a strong passion for betting goes through a typical path. The loss of self-control always begins with a big win, after which the gambler devalues the concept of money. He doesn't want to work anymore, he thinks he can make money gambling. After that, he loses all the winnings and starts taking on debts. After that, he makes another gross mistake: he thinks that he can recoup and close debts, but in fact he "buries" himself deeper.
This is a cycle most common with most gamblers out there, they always think gambling will definitely pay the bills especially if it turns out they have been lucky at the casino for a quiet some time, they literally become more confident in gambling than normal.

And this is how their mistakes grow till it turns out an addiction problem for them which turns out to cost them fortune especially when the start selling out their valuables and get a substitute with the mindset they they will win some day and replace that which they sold earlier to fund their gambling habit. Early winning actually causes them to become lazy because they will feel making money can be that easy.
I have long heard that when a beginner makes his first bet and wins, it is worse than when he loses. Maybe this is a bad example, but it’s like a fish swallowing bait, but after that the fisherman will catch it. After a win, especially a very big one, it seems that now our life is settled and if we need money the player will come there again, but instead of giving us the same winnings, the player will lose and end up leaving several times more money there than he brought initially . That's why players take out loans to win back, confidence begins to disappear, but it's too late, greed has completely taken over them. The risk taken was exceeded tenfold. To prevent this from happening, we must not allow greed to take over us. If a person is very greedy and risky, then it is better for him not to enter into this, because the probability of failure is quite high.

"Like a fish swallowing a bait" your scenario is very good at explaining things quite simply but clearly. Gamblers think that by winning everything will be over and they will feel great in that state without knowing that everything has just begun. If I were to give you a choice between $10 or $100 which would you choose? I know the answer would be to take the $100 because it's obviously a much bigger amount than $10, the same with someone who has just won money in gambling, if they get a $10 win they will think that "the win can be increased and more than this", they assume that it is a condition that will really give them a big win so they will continue to get their first $100.

Basically even if you withdraw $10 for example, you won't be able to escape or avoid the curiosity that is getting higher, in the sense that the next session your expectations are no longer about $10 but $100. This is the initial cycle of someone before entering the addiction phase, there is something like nicotine in their mind which means that the addiction begins to grow and emotions begin to increase because the answer in the second session is not what they expected. Impatience, loss of control, greed accompany them.
1908  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Appropriate percentage of income for gambling on: December 03, 2023, 07:12:29 PM
Everyone has their own decision, what percentage of their income a person will spend on gambling depends on his monthly or weekly income. Everyone will gamble according to their financial status and income. I spend 4% to 5% of my monthly income on gambling. But I don't gamble all the time. I mostly invest in Bitcoin and gamble occasionally.

It makes sense, about how much money will be allocated to gambling it really depends on a person's ability in terms of finance, if indeed they have a pretty good monthly income or above the average middle class person in his place then maybe if they are someone who  is quite active in gambling then the amount they will allocate as funds for gambling will be greater than people who have a middle to lower income, but sometimes it's not always like that.

There are also some people who have good finances but only put a small amount that if calculated is the same as the amount of funds put by the lower middle class, this is about understanding money and how someone can appreciate the money they have, no matter how rich or poor, or however large and small the amount of their income per month. So I think the amount of money that will be allocated to gambling is not fully known and we cannot if we only look at the size of their income to be able to conclude in terms of measurement. Another thing is the point is if you feel that the amount is not a problem to lose then please do it, and do not try to increase the amount.
1909  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 03, 2023, 02:55:45 PM
You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
Gambling responsibly can reduce the number of losses that gamblers will receive so that they can still have money that might be used to gamble another day. Only by gambling responsibly will they not experience the problems that many other gamblers face because most of them are unable to deal with them and will instead deposit more money to try to recover their losses. When someone has lost, he must be able to feel that this is no longer the right time to continue gambling because he has already lost. And if he continues to force himself to gamble, he could experience even more losses, so he must remain conscious enough just to stop gambling to avoid bigger problems. However, they must try to become wise gamblers who can be responsible for their gambling so that they do not fall too deep into gambling.

I also think they shouldn't gamble by spending a lot of money in one game, they should have a capital limit in gambling, so if they lose today they can come back tomorrow or next week where who knows luck will come in the next day. If they spend a lot of money in one gamble I think they lose their mind, because they dare to spend a lot of money in one gamble that is not clear that it will provide victory. Maybe depositing money back for gambling is their way of dealing with the problem of money that has been lost hahaha.
They should stop when they lose, and realize that they are not lucky at the moment, they can come back another time to try their luck. My suggestion is at least once a week with a budget that is set not too large if they really want to gamble, because even if they do gambling by depositing a small amount of money but do it often it is the same as they spend a lot of money quickly even though the count is small. Maybe my suggestion makes sense, but I don't know if other people will agree or not.

You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
Gambling responsibly can reduce the number of losses that gamblers will receive so that they can still have money that might be used to gamble another day. Only by gambling responsibly will they not experience the problems that many other gamblers face because most of them are unable to deal with them and will instead deposit more money to try to recover their losses. When someone has lost, he must be able to feel that this is no longer the right time to continue gambling because he has already lost. And if he continues to force himself to gamble, he could experience even more losses, so he must remain conscious enough just to stop gambling to avoid bigger problems. However, they must try to become wise gamblers who can be responsible for their gambling so that they do not fall too deep into gambling.

Not to fall with what the gambling site is offering, most gamblers got that misconceptions that if you play and got lucky you'll win a lot, the truth behind that is how greed will control you after winning, instead of enjoying your winning money, you'll try to push for more and try to win more money.

Cashing out is your best option if you can do that in the right time, that sole chance of making money is good, though most of the time it can't be apply even at the very beginning it is your desire to manage both emotions and your finances.

This has become a common problem for gamblers who have a target to pursue big wins, maybe they do this because of their dissatisfaction that has not been resolved even though they have got a big win. After they get a big win and decide to bet again with a bigger bet amount, I don't think they think about what will happen, if it happens like this, it means that greed has controlled everything. Win or lose in the end they will not feel satisfied, especially if they lose I think they will feel many things including upset, disappointed, regretful. Because this can be called a common disease of gamblers because most gamblers who have won tend to continue gambling. And this cannot be avoided easily because the temptation and attraction of gambling is also strong that makes them take the wrong step in making a decision.

You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
Gambling responsibly can reduce the number of losses that gamblers will receive so that they can still have money that might be used to gamble another day. Only by gambling responsibly will they not experience the problems that many other gamblers face because most of them are unable to deal with them and will instead deposit more money to try to recover their losses. When someone has lost, he must be able to feel that this is no longer the right time to continue gambling because he has already lost. And if he continues to force himself to gamble, he could experience even more losses, so he must remain conscious enough just to stop gambling to avoid bigger problems. However, they must try to become wise gamblers who can be responsible for their gambling so that they do not fall too deep into gambling.
Sometimes it happens that there are more and more losses, and we thought that now we would win, we continue to check that we are right and pay for it. When we lose, we can't assert ourselves and this affects our self-esteem, we can't understand where we made a mistake and this repeats again and again, as if we are being twisted into a spiral. When all this happens, some people, like zombies under hypnosis, begin to bet a lot just to win back what they have lost; there are no obstacles or walls in front of them. They are capable of punching through them and will stop at nothing. Some recognize themselves in my words. For those who have never experienced this before, you need to remember that this could happen to you at any moment. If something similar happens to you and you are behaving irresponsibly under the influence of emotions, you need to immediately stop and give yourself a break of several days or weeks to realize how emotions controlled you.

Obviously they have been hypnotized by gambling that makes them forget themselves, by doing a lot of betting just to win back what they have lost. They do this seemingly out of their consciousness, so they spend a lot of money just to pursue something that is not clear that they will get. Selfishness and greed also help them to do this, there is no self-consciousness when they do this, because most of those who do this do not think about anything except the victory they want to get in order to cover all the losses they have experienced. And this can also happen to all gamblers without exception, all gamblers must feel the beginning or process of this because basically humans have a sense of dissatisfaction with something.

You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
Gambling responsibly can reduce the number of losses that gamblers will receive so that they can still have money that might be used to gamble another day. Only by gambling responsibly will they not experience the problems that many other gamblers face because most of them are unable to deal with them and will instead deposit more money to try to recover their losses. When someone has lost, he must be able to feel that this is no longer the right time to continue gambling because he has already lost. And if he continues to force himself to gamble, he could experience even more losses, so he must remain conscious enough just to stop gambling to avoid bigger problems. However, they must try to become wise gamblers who can be responsible for their gambling so that they do not fall too deep into gambling.
Yes, responsible gambling can reduce losses and fund future ventures. The question is: does the gambler know when to stop? They may think they're in control, but "one more bet" might be overwhelming. Understand gambling psychology, not just be wise. Stopping after a loss is sound, but the execution is prone to emotional and cognitive flaws. Many gamblers believe a win is 'deserved' following a run of losses. Here, self-awareness is crucial. Gamblers must know their boundaries and that randomness deceives. They must then balance the joy of gambling with the realities of chance to gamble sensibly.

I think they know when to stop. It's just that the feeling they have is still there about a bigger win, so they gamble with one more bet, I myself have done it, when I get a big win, I will cash it out but with a few more rounds, and I immediately cash it out without thinking about anything else especially to continue gambling because I already know the high probability of getting a defeat that eliminates all the money and winnings that have been obtained. But is it true that there will be a victory after a series of defeats? is that guaranteed? I myself am not sure about that haha, because if they don't have luck in gambling I don't think they will ever get a victory. And maybe their luck is in other things outside of gambling, no one knows if the matter of luck is also no one can guess exactly.
1910  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 03, 2023, 02:21:33 PM
~snip~
Exactly, your goal will determine what results you will get and along with the impact you will experience and feel, if in your mind you feel that your goal does not make sense then don't do it, do some more consideration and see from various sides about gambling before you decide and regret it, use your common sense to think and use your eyes to see realistically. There is no better and safer destination than you come just looking for something that doesn't really matter, or the intention is not to earn but just to find fun, it's the best choice that is more recommended for your security and safety.

The right mindset will result in the right goal, because you consider everything with common sense and realistically, some other factors of course the best will be easy for you to do if you come with no exaggeration and just looking for fun, because then there is no hope that you put in to earn but only come to look for sensations to make you happy.
Actually, that is what we should think about, but unfortunately, most gamblers will not think any longer because they see that the goal is still realistic and try to achieve it while they still have the money. They will not see gambling as entertainment but rather as a place to make money, so they will keep gambling until they can make money. But even though they are already making money, they will still want to make more money. These goals will change according to the conditions they find themselves in so that gambling is no longer a place to have fun using money but a place to make money.

The right mindset will give us clarity about the goals we want to get from gambling. And we won't want to use more money just because we expect to win more. We know it is a temptation that we must overcome before it makes us completely forget to stop gambling. That is why we must always be responsible when we gamble so as not to be tempted by anything in the casino.

Yes, that's right, most of them when they still have a balance so they don't think long, of course they will try to get what they want, if like this, don't they follow their greed or ego? Also I think they must have occasionally won a sufficient amount, but because of their curiosity maybe that makes them continue to gamble to get an unreasonable amount of winnings hahaha.
And indeed, if gambling is better not to expect more, in other words that by gambling we can get a lot of money easily. After all the more we spend a lot of money, the deeper we go and will be trapped inside with the difficulty of getting out. also the point of error is not in gambling but in ourselves who misinterpret gambling, if we can interpret gambling correctly and well maybe there won't be a lot of money spent on gambling. Prevention is better than cure, right? So we should not expect more from gambling.
1911  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: December 03, 2023, 02:01:08 PM
I don't think it's a generalized subject about gambling as more harmful than drug addiction, some feel it the other way around others feel that drug is more harmful and dangerous because they destroy the mind and the body, in fact so many dies of drug overdose because the body cannot keep up, and some drug addicts commit crimes because their minds are clouded by the drugs they take.
Both addiction are bad for health and finances we cannot make one better than the other, some can survive the drugs, and some can survive gambling if we have a friend who are in any of the two we need to do everything to help them and not make a comparison.
In my opinion, these two things can both ruin a person's life from the start before they introduce these two things, some people who are addicted to gambling can commit crimes when they don't have the funds to do the gambling they want and those who are addicted to drugs of course so too.
Helping those who have experienced addiction to this is not an easy thing to do if they themselves do not have the desire to leave what they are doing.

Yes I also agree with what you said, these two things can ruin someone's life because each of these two things has an equally dangerous impact that can also harm them. There is nothing better than these two things, both of them will harm them in many ways, drugs can harm their health which will damage their mentality, mindset and others also they will experience depression which might make them die because of drug addiction.

Not much different from drug addiction, gambling addiction is also the same, it will harm many things, time, money, relationships, mindset, and maybe also with their health. So it is better to keep than to cure, because if you are addicted to these two things or one of them, it will be difficult to cure it.
When it comes to addiction then there's no such thing about being good or much better because both things could really be destructive in someones life and this is why it would really be that always wise that you should really know on when to stop and control out yourself on the time that you are experiencing such thing but we know that gambling addiction is really that much more destructive onto someone who had been affected to it
not because it doesnt only destroy you financially but also it could destroy your body on which this is something that you should really be avoiding in the first place. Better not to make yourself getting involved specially with drugs because once this thing do kicks in then it would really be that too hard to get out since your body would really be basically searching for it.

Im not saying that gambling addiction is much better but we know that this is something that it is bad too and its always been best that you should really be doing things in moderation if you dont
like for yourself to get that in huge problems in life specially on finances. So its up into your own decision since its your life though but with common sense
then you could be able to determine on whats good or bad.

I also think that addiction to these two things will destroy them financially, because these two things are also related to their finances. In my opinion these two things are not much different in terms of their impact, harming yourself yes, in terms of health yes, financially obviously, harming others can be. There is not much difference between these two things, it is unfortunate that if they are addicted to these two things it feels better that they do not have a sane or crazy mind. Gambling addiction will harm them in many ways, and I think everyone who already knows about gambling also knows the harmful effects of gambling addiction.

Also drug addiction, just like addiction is also all bound to be clear about the harmful effects that will befall someone if they are already addicted to these two things. I can't imagine if any of my family members are directly addicted to these two things, even if they have a lot of money I don't think it's necessary to become addicted to these two things if they want pleasure because there are also many other ways or things that can come to themselves, not by being addicted to gambling or drugs.
1912  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 03, 2023, 01:41:38 PM
first of all just an opinion but Blakcjak I think is the most predicted game especially live Blackjack but gambling is gambling  Cry

sorry for you lost the best thing you could do now is repay the debt and stay away from the gambling site till the debt is finished

Yesterday I also lost completely so was a total bust in a game crash

I always tell to a friend, not to be greedy but here I am after winning big I greed made it all in and the money now is gone

Isn't it too difficult that he has to pay the loan which he never used for himself, did not buy anything from it but only wasted it in gambling? He has to pay back and it is an extra burden on him.
Also, he can't gamble for all this time because he has no money and all the money which he would be saving would be spent to gather money for the loan payment. How awkward is this situation, only he knows about it.

Do people mistakes in life but some mistakes are such that it is difficult to recover from them.
Unless he does not have any proper source of income, where he can get reasonable money, he can't get out of it.

It seems difficult if it's like that, borrowing money but not getting anything and then we have to pay it back feels wearing. Besides, it's better to gamble with your own budget, not by borrowing. And I think if borrowing is better used for other things that are more positive, such as starting a business that of course has the opportunity to become profitable, to fulfill daily needs is still okay but if for gambling it is not recommended. And also if there is someone who is addicted to gambling and also has debts because of gambling, I think when they have money that is not enough to pay off their debts, maybe they will return to gambling. The reason is to multiply the money so that they can pay off the debt, but in the end they end up losing.
All people have responsibilities as well as desires, and they have to work to get what they want. By working they will have a steady and decent income. But if they are stubborn with a bad mindset it is also difficult.
1913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 03, 2023, 11:00:53 AM
There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
The only difference between a poor man gambling and a rich person gambling is totally difference from each other, their is something I want you to understand concerning gambling, because it's clear that the rich play gambles with confident why the poor play gamble without confidence, I believe that you have understand that the rich take more of risky than the poor and they gamble to catch fun why the poor gamble to get rich and be comfortable at home, you don't need to gamble and have in mind that in one way to other you depends in gambling to the end.

For poor people who gamble, in my opinion, they should not force themselves to gamble, because it clearly will not help their poor or mediocre situation, because gambling tends to only result in defeat even though there is a chance to win but I think it's best not to get excited because gambling also has a strong attraction for people who play it regardless of who is playing.
Also if they depend on gambling in my opinion it will only make it difficult for them in the future, gambling cannot solve all their economic problems even this will make it more difficult for them because they may be addicted to gambling.

There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
For rich people, gambling is just a fun activity that shows how well off they are financially. For poor people, though, its a last-ditch effort to hold on to a fleeting dream that often leads to a sad trap. What makes them bet when the odds are so bad? There is more to it than just "curiosity." There is hope, despair, and societal forces at play. We have to ask: Does the system take advantage of their weakness? They arent just "stupid"; they are caught in a bigger, sneakier loop. How do we get out of this? Get educated? Regulation? Thats a tough problem that needs both empathy and real answers.

You are right, rich people who gamble are only for the purpose of seeking pleasure no more than that, also rich people do not seem to hesitate by stepping, they do not hesitate with the money they put in gambling. It is likely that they already know the meaning of gambling where it is only a place to seek pleasure not a place to make money. Unlike the poor who may be nervous if their money has started to run low, they doubt and maybe they are not fully confident in what they are doing, maybe they are also worried about the money they have in gambling. It may be true that the system takes advantage of them,  because gambling also has a strong attraction to attract all people who gamble to become addicted, whether the answer is difficult or not, they must be able to realize that the money they have is not entirely for betting in gambling.
1914  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 03, 2023, 01:19:49 AM
People don't have statistics to play gamble and that is why some of the gambling enthusiasm do experience (shege in gambling... meaning much loses in a gambling) so it's good for gamblers to know a specific amount that should go out in their wallet weekly or monthly.

When you check the statistics of who is on constant gambling of different kind of gambling either casino, poker game and other gambling games, should check the funds that goes out of them monthly because of gambling and they funds they received in a month and annually in gambling if they are of the same amount.

If we planned our gambling bet we should not be going crazy after when we have not meet up our target in gambling, what i expected every gambler is to make table of how much should be spend in gambling and how much should go investment, because money we loses in gambling continuously if we gather it together it will sum up to start a little business. I'm say play gamble with experience, don't use all you have for casino gambling

Many cases have been seen where people who only chase winnings in gambling will end up with big losses in the end, gambling is not an easy thing to pursue, especially if you intend to return your capital in one night, honestly that will never happen it's easy if you have poor emotional control and are always greedy in every gambling activity you do. People who always win at gambling must have good emotional control and also always gamble responsibly, just pay attention to that.

One thing that makes them worse is because gambling is not a place to put hope, especially in victory, all luck will run randomly and anyone including you will never know when luck will come to you. That is why people who chase victory will instead suffer many defeats, it's the same as you chasing luck which basically you will never know how to chase luck, we must understand that luck is not to be chased but it will come by itself at any time.

So I think it's really a stupid and ridiculous mindset if you gamble to chase a win that depends on how lucky you are. As the OP wrote "gamble with caution" it's because the negative impacts  outweigh the positive opportunities that you think are enough, and if you don't care and don't pay attention to this understanding then obviously I doubt you will be able to come to your senses quickly. Therefore, since this activity is only about luck, it is better to emphasize or apply a lot of restrictions to save, after all, if you are lucky then you will also be able to win even if you don't gamble too often.
1915  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: December 03, 2023, 12:14:25 AM
One of em told me that this is why I don't win, that I only gamble when I feel like, he said constantly gambling is a must if you want to win, but I disagree, because I have seen too many people not knowing when to quit until it was too late.

To me, gambling is a theater, a form of entertainment that I pay for, not a way to get rich quick, for them it's a must to win by force, one question seem to change his mood though.

Some may give free advice but not all advice is good advice. I disagree with those who expect jackpots or big wins just by consistently gambling. Here continuous gambling is not guaranteed to win but taking a break from gambling can give a gambler time to make the right decision. He may get an opportunity to consider the pros and cons. Those who continue to gamble are more likely to become addicted. And we cannot imagine addicted gamblers as successful gamblers. Moreover, if someone tries to gamble thinking of getting something specific from gambling, such as a jackpot, then that dream is more likely to go in vain.

Although all suggestions are shown or lead to something better but on the other hand it always depends on everyone's point of view, if for you it is good then not necessarily for others it will be good, some conditions and circumstances may be the difference. Of course, if you put your hopes on gambling then usually the opposite will happen, instead of getting the jackpot that they are always chasing but what happens is that they keep losing and they don't realize it, why? because their hopes are greater and always put faith in something that has absolutely no certainty and guarantee whether you will be able to get a jackpot like that or not.

I'm sure I think the number of your losses if calculated will be greater than the winnings you get and you should be aware of that. The more you try the closer you get to the addiction zone, so any limits are important here, and you can get better if you can come to the realization that gambling is not a place to put your hopes.
1916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most gamblers do not believe they can consistently make money, that's why... on: December 02, 2023, 11:08:49 PM
As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

We don’t know the exact number of people who posting without playing and with playing gambling.But if the gambler post with the technical data,we can understand he will post by the experience in gambling.The gambler need not worry about the other’s criticism once they join the gambling.Because the gambler should himself understand the rules of gambling before starting of the game and ready to accept the loss incase he get loss due to bad luck in the game.The gambler should play the discipline game for the benefit of the good game output.If the gambler follow the rules,his money in the gambling wallet will be safe.If he follow rules,his account won’t be banned by the gambling site.

It seems that there are some of those on the forum, especially those who are into gambling but they are not gamblerss, meaning that they do not have direct experience and are not involved in gambling, but it doesn't matter at least with them intervening in the discussion there will be some positive knowledge that they can digest to be used as lessons so that they do not have the fate of those who are down in terms of the negative effects of gambling. To be honest, I wouldn't care too much about that, but we'll still be talking about things that should be done and things that should be avoided, at least for advice and warnings.

Understanding gambling is reallly recommended especially for those who are new and involved who usually often make mistakes whether it's technically or in terms of self-management and plans, on  the other hand I think it seems like casinos will give them warnings or even block  their accounts if they do some pretty suspicious actions..
1917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 02, 2023, 10:24:00 PM
Usually when you hit a big profit , you should insta cash out and buy yourself something or you will end up making another deposit with the money you just withdrew a few hours or days ago. However ,if you have hot streak day , you should give it a try and keep playing a bit more but as soon as you realize you are just losing money , just leave and cash out for good.  Cool

Yes it should be like that but the problem is that it won't be that easy buddy, there are many factors that will be a barrier to why they are difficult / difficult to do so, if indeed you are getting a pretty good luck phase by winning a certain amount then that's where your patience will be tested, will you be able to resist all the temptations not to overdo it or not? I think only a few can do that, and that's why there are now more people  who are down than those who stay fine.

The casino has given you  some winnings that were driven by your luck at a certain time but unfortunately you couldn't take advantage of the situation and circumstances, instead of withdrawing and enjoying the results of your winnings with a glass of beer but you chose to continue in the hope of getting something bigger, when on the other hand different times mean different luck too, which means that not necessarily the next time luck will still hold for you. So it's better to do what you should do, meaning make the best choice from the results of common sense considerations.
1918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 02, 2023, 02:22:53 PM
I like to see how Girona goes this season, but regardless of what is happening now Madrid can still win trophies. Returning to Girona, the match they are playing now against Valencia has just shown vulnerability, Girona conceded in the 56th minute. But maybe there is still a chance to equalize. If the final result is that Valencia wins Girona will suffer a loss because the next match will be Barcelona. I actually bet on Girona winning because referring to their track record so far makes me more confident. However, in this match after conceding 1 goal, maybe it doesn't matter if my bet ultimately fails.
1919  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 02, 2023, 01:45:48 PM
Manchester United will look to capitalize on their historic dominance over Newcastle to secure a much-needed win in the Premier League today. Manchester United have the attacking quality that will cause problems for Newcastle's defense. With both teams hungry for points, the stage is set for an exciting and hotly contested match at St James' Park. Newcastle can continue their excellent home form, having won eight of their 10 home games this season, Manchester United have already won just one of their last four visits to St James' Park. Fans can expect an intense battle for both teams to assert their dominance and climb the Premier League table. This match promises to be a thrilling encounter that fans will not want to miss. I think Newcastle United can beat Manchester United 2-1.
Newcastle United vs Manchester United is going to be an interesting match to watch, both clubs are looking to secure a spot in the Premier League top-four race. I see Newcastle United winning over Manchester United because of Newcastle United's recent form and Newcastle United has won over clubs like Chelsea, and Arsenal in the Premier League this season.
Newcastle really want to win at home because I am sure that the effectiveness of the attack will be dominated by Eddie Howe troops. The last meeting between the two in the Premier League gave the impression of trauma for Man United especially since the fresh wind was blowing towards Newcastle. Looking at the temporary statistics of 47% for Newcastle is certainly not wrong and I am optimistic to continue betting on the home team which can get 3 points.

Newcastle has Bruno Guimaraes who  needs to be wary of Man United defense because he could provide a surprise in this match. The battle for the  top 5 positions in the standings for both  teams is very important and it is possible that Ten Hag is concocting a strategy,  well at least Andre Onana will not make the same mistake.  For me that's the only problem with Man United, when all the players are solid there is only one person who is most worried about destroying his friend's hopes of winning.
1920  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risking 1% in Gambling on: December 02, 2023, 01:20:49 PM
As long as we know the limits of gambling and obey them, we will definitely be fine. But in reality, many people don't remember this, and instead, they violate it by depositing more money to be able to chase their winnings. Whatever amount of money you use to gamble, it is an amount you can afford, so you don't need to take the risk of experiencing a big loss. If more people could do this, the number of problem gamblers could decrease because many gamblers would try to gamble responsibly so they could avoid the greater risk of losing. They will also be able to manage their money well while gambling and know when to stop gambling.

Knowing about what we are doing is very important, we shouldn't attempts gambling just the way we do to other things in life because each has its different ways of approach, gambling is not a source of making a profitable income from the bet we made, we should know the level of risk already involved when we say we are about to gamble, which also means we can loose or win and when either of the two occurs, we should accept it with all comfort because we realized that gambling is not a winning always attempts in playing bet.


It's not easy, because trying to stay sober in a drifting state is not easy, which is why there's usually regret at the end of the session. On top of that, your logic and emotions will be battling it out between staying safe or trying to continue chasing something that is basically uncertain due to curiosity and not accepting defeat, and it's usually very difficult to think logically and reasonably due to the heat of the moment which makes it difficult to do so because of the emotion that is difficult to subdue.

Basically your statement is true, it's good advice to encourage someone not to make a mistake in approaching their gambling involvement, because even a little mistake will be very difficult for them to return to a healthy mindset because they have lost money that they cannot give up. Understanding from the beginning is the most important thing in this matter in my opinion, a realistic point of view and way of thinking will make you not misunderstand what gambling really is, I think you will avoid something that looks tempting when it is just a temptation and trap. You will be fine if you know and understand what gambling is along with the concept of real luck, that's all. Wink

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