Ok, after some tinkering I think I have found a bug. It appears that the bot does not like the existence of manually created trades. I'm running in sim with trading on btc_usd but I have open ppc orders which I think is the culprit. Greetings, human. tAPI-bot loading... tAPI-bot v0.51, starting. Open Orders: 4 Traceback (most recent call last): File "Application.py", line 40, in <module> runLoop() File "Application.py", line 25, in runLoop printing.displayBalance() File "/home/x/Desktop/tAPIbot-master/tapi/helper.py", line 145, in displayBalance self.processOrders(printOutput=True) File "/home/x/Desktop/tAPIbot-master/tapi/helper.py", line 164, in processOrders order['pair'], KeyError: 'pair'
I'm going to let my orders stand for a bit (come on bull!) and then try creating manual btc orders and see if that fixes the crash.
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I should also add that the file size of graph.png has increased, but damned if I see anything on it. Also tried increasing DPI to 800. Now I am trying changing the trade target to btc_usd to see if that makes a difference
[edit]hahahaha I should of known. Low and behold there just wasn't data to graph. Changed trade target and now I have a graph. Ignore previous silliness.
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Toying with the sim right now. Is it a safe assumption that the values to set for the moving average is in days?
Python is definitely a wonderful language... I wish I knew more than just basic trouble shooting when I can't get an app to run on my linux boxes.
But now I have a problem. Running in as sim with tickers for btc_usd ltc_usd & ppc_btc with trade active for ppc_btc. I installed canopy with no errors. App has been running for about 10 minutes but nothing graphed. I am not familiar with canopy, is there anything I need to do with it?
I have python 2.7.3 and running Xubuntu 12.10.
Help? lol.
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some will be directed for altcoins too
That's going to be the interesting part... how much of the ASIC hash wont actually end up towards BTC....
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I'm really surprised, in your analysis, you forgot to mention
Why the fuck are those cards crossfired together?
+1
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ooo, that is a really good point for which I did not think about. Maybe something for the future could be loading separate api's and separate settings per api? Assuming that's even desirable or feasible. I'd like to improve the simulation mode to trade against a fake copy of your existing balance, adjusting it as it simulates trading. Now that would be pretty neat. Personally, I think (if) bfl does indeed flood the market with ASICS we are going to see a surge of people looking into trading for coins (like myself) who would find much use and learning from a sim type tool (like myself). Thank you for your work and I hope I can get to the point to send some fun to your grape juice fund for it! (gotta pay the mortgage first, boo!)
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Silly question, does this bot only handle one pair at a time? ie, could I configure the ini to trade both btc_usd & ltc_usd? If no, can I run multiple instances to cover both items of interest? [edit] I can figure this part out myself
Thanks for this and thanks even more for the sim mode. I'm not much for trading much less trade bots so thats a nice feature for us n00bs to get a grip on the bot before turning it loose. Look forward to messing with this.
[edit 2] Another question, in the sim mode, it's pretty much just presenting information as opposed to showing theoretical trades that the bot would perform if simMode was set to False?
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We all might be wearing diapers by the time they ship.
Touche!
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Long story short (too LATE!) we are all still fucked so what does it really matter?
I'm gonna go back to holding my breath and watching paint dry with the hazy visage of an asic device showing up at my door.
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They wanted people to confirm that they were OK with the power requirements. My order is still good at 163$, paid in full
dito in all seriousness, if my lone jalapeno ships, i might have to wear a diaper for a month.
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They just aren't pulling in much at the current difficult compared to electricity costs.
You answered your own question then - if your cards are losing money you either have to speculate on ASICs or pack it in. If you want definite delivery, see: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221220586726wow that is amazing! I have often thought of seeing what I could get for my September pre-order if I posted a screen with my order number.
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Regardless of what happens at ButtFuckingLabs is irrelevant since OTHER companies ARE shipping ASIC products RIGHT NOW. (anyone want to loan me 100k?)
So with that in mind, GPU should die out money wise by this time next year (assuming BFL does not ship a single unit)
If current ASIC providers ramp up production, who knows?
Difficulties will rise, blood will be spilled.
A more interesting question would be is what Alt Coin do people flock to when BTC mining is not profitable?
Personally if I ever get my ASIC from BFL (ordered is Sept w00t) I am going to rock BTC for as long as feasible and then start hoarding alt coins... but I am not really in this for the money, more the idea.
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Where the fuck is my Jalapeno?
This really made my day. Been waiting since September myself. My vote is for road trip to KC
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I think that the OP is spot on with a lot of these assumptions. Bitcoin, even in the current scheme of things, is a HUGE threat to the status quo for reasons painfully clear. In the 'civilized' world, banksters run EVERYTHING. Granted, I can only attest to the situation in the US, but ffs, you have to be pretty naive to think otherwise. Don't agree? Quantitative Easing. I can barely pay my bills these days cause one USD doesn't go very far these days...
Now, with that being said, if Slave St really wanted to go after BTC, my money would be on a 51% attack. MUCH easier to prep for and the desolation to the BTC economy would be as simple as flipping a switch. Same could be said in regards to the NSA... with their available computer power and toys they have lying around, they could probably do it right now if so inclined or motivated... but thats a whole other argument.
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boooo! way to spoil everything! Good write up about it though, thanks for sharing.
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FPGA and the few ASIC miners out there also have much less (or no) flexibility when it comes to mining anything other than Bitcoin. Casual miners may not bother to consider mining litecoins, and/or may not have to want to deal with anything more difficult than starting their miner and walking away.
This of course also means that in the unforseeable future, when more people have ASICs (and BFL hopefully has delivered) that the difficulty of the Bitcoin will rise unproportionally to the other currencies. This might mean that mining the other coins might be more profitable, at least for the people not using high-end chips. Thats what I am banking on
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Yeah so it turns out I am a forgetful idiot and the issue was uber simple and now solved.
Kudos to doublec for not making fun of me for such a simple mistake.
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I have always been a huge fan of PPcoin for the reason you just highlighted.
1. There is an exchange to BTC 2. It's geared towards CPU and I have a LOT of pc's running both at home and work doing NOTHING. 2.1 My personal favourite is running a miner on my unraid server's amd APU. It sucks, but the damn thing barely sucks anymore juice mining then pushing HD on my network so why the hell not. 3. Most pc's have decent CPU's 4. It's fun to be an 'early adopter' 5. If PPcoin some day becomes valuable, I will be a rich man. 6. Not a day goes by that I don't hate myself for not jumping on the BTC bandwagon the first DAY I learned of it. 6.1 We should start a BTC charity for fools regrets to pay for Whiskey and smokes.
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This is a real hard time to be looking at hardware. So many unknowns about the near and not so near future. Here is a mind melter, imagine that in light of ASIC's apparent sex appeal, there is secretly 4 independent makes of ASIC being developed with a goal of 2013-14 launch. Ever shop on deal extreme? Asian manufactures are SMART SMART SMART and who knows what could be going on.
Full disclosure, I am on the list for a bfl product like most others, but this is my first financial commitment to mining and my only. To much uncertainty to really go face first into anything.
Still, I feel your pain. Every whiff of sexy hardware makes my balls hurt.
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