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Israel needs security guarantees. I would personally like to see Israel get 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s in exchange for pulling out of the West Bank. Receiving these advanced weapons systems would be contingent on Israel immediately withdrawing all settlers from the West Bank.
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Bunch of muslim apologists in this thread. Hopefully Israel does it right this time and increases that body count exponentially.
An analysis of legal / illegal in this scenario has nothing to do with religion. Because that has worked so well in the past.Only someone who doesn't care about Israeli security would suggest such a thing. |
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I understand that it is not realistic currently, but I think Israel should withdraw from the West Bank and the Arab League should put its troops in Gaza and the West Bank to patrol them after Israel leaves the West Bank. What is more likely to happen is UN troops will go into the West Bank the way UN troops patrolled the Israel-Lebanon border after the war of 2006.
Egypt should take Gaza and Jordan west bank Any solution I can think of to this conflict, isn't worth Israel taking at the moment. As far as I can tell, why would Israel want to change the status quo when basically all they have to do is deal with a barrage of rocket attacks every year or two, with minimal Israeli casualites? The alternative is an extreme risk to their security (compared to now). |
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Bloody Sunday Israeli soldier reportedly captured, 70 Palestinians dead in worst day of conflictGAZA CITY — Seventy Palestinians were killed Sunday in a heavy bombardment of a Gaza neighborhood and 13 Israeli soldiers were slain in the most intense day of fighting in Israel’s current offensive against Hamas fighters, officials said. The Hamas military also announced that its fighters had captured an Israeli soldier.
Abu Obaida, a spokesman for the Al Qassam Brigades, appeared on Hamas TV to announce the soldier had been taken prisoner. Minutes later, there were fireworks and shouts of “God is great!” from loud speakers.
An Israeli military spokeswoman said the army was investigating the claim.
A kidnapped Israeli soldier would represent a victory for Hamas and a difficult new challenge for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Footage and more... http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-begins-heaviest-bombardment-yet-in-gaza-sending-residents-fleeing/2014/07/20/578ae882-0fe5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.htmlIsrael either needs to triple it's size, or be driven out into the ocean by the Arabs. This half-way shit aint workin. Neither of those options would work either. 162 dead so far, of which 137 are civilian, with 209 civilian homes completely destroyed. Over 1000 people injured so far as well. I think the two-state solution is the only one left. ...look back in the history the always fight,they either come to an agreement and become 1 country either they destroy each other ...which is happening now.... It is unlikely to happen anytime in the near future. Abbas is pretty much the only domestic political power present that wants one. |
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Bloody Sunday Israeli soldier reportedly captured, 70 Palestinians dead in worst day of conflictGAZA CITY — Seventy Palestinians were killed Sunday in a heavy bombardment of a Gaza neighborhood and 13 Israeli soldiers were slain in the most intense day of fighting in Israel’s current offensive against Hamas fighters, officials said. The Hamas military also announced that its fighters had captured an Israeli soldier.
Abu Obaida, a spokesman for the Al Qassam Brigades, appeared on Hamas TV to announce the soldier had been taken prisoner. Minutes later, there were fireworks and shouts of “God is great!” from loud speakers.
An Israeli military spokeswoman said the army was investigating the claim.
A kidnapped Israeli soldier would represent a victory for Hamas and a difficult new challenge for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Footage and more... http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-begins-heaviest-bombardment-yet-in-gaza-sending-residents-fleeing/2014/07/20/578ae882-0fe5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.htmlIsrael either needs to triple it's size, or be driven out into the ocean by the Arabs. This half-way shit aint workin. Neither of those options would work either. 162 dead so far, of which 137 are civilian, with 209 civilian homes completely destroyed. Over 1000 people injured so far as well. |
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I will chose 119. Thanks.
I have seen many of these games where winners are always newbies. I hope this will be different.
yeah your right, maybe suggestion to Mr Bitty, you should only allow members and whoever is higher to play. Alot of these newbies are shill accounts |
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good thing I took a screen shot of this bastard now should I post it, so everyone can see the scammer? or you gonna pay back something ?
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http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/reagan/kal007.htmlHISTORIC SPEECHES RONALD REAGAN Address to the Nation on KAL 007 September 5, 1983 My fellow Americans: I'm coming before you tonight about the Korean airline massacre, the attack by the Soviet Union against 269 innocent men, women, and children aboard an unarmed Korean passenger plane. This crime against humanity must never be forgotten, here or throughout the world. Our prayers tonight are with the victims and their families in their time of terrible grief. Our hearts go out to them — to brave people like Kathryn McDonald, the wife of a Congressman whose composure and eloquence on the day of her husband's death moved us all. He will be sorely missed by all of us here in government. The parents of one slain couple wired me: "Our daughter...and her husband...died on Korean Airline Flight 007. Their deaths were the result of the Soviet Union violating every concept of human rights." The emotions of these parents — grief, shock, anger — are shared by civilized people everywhere. From around the world press accounts reflect an explosion of condemnation by people everywhere. Let me state as plainly as I can: There was absolutely no justification, either legal or moral, for what the Soviets did. One newspaper in India said, "If every passenger plane...is fair game for home air forces...it will be the end to civil aviation as we know it." This is not the first time the Soviet Union has shot at and hit a civilian airliner when it over flew its territory. In another tragic incident in 1978, the Soviets also shot down an unarmed civilian airliner after having positively identified it as such. In that instance, the Soviet interceptor pilot clearly identified the civilian markings on the side of the aircraft, repeatedly questioned the order to fire on a civilian airliner, and was ordered to shoot it down anyway. The aircraft was hit with a missile and made a crash landing. Several innocent people lost their lives in this attack, killed by shrapnel from the blast of a Soviet missile.
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Just heard Juan Williams slap down Obama saying the optics look bad for him to be off fundraising..... 'It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy': Obama sparks anger with 40-second mention of Malaysian plane crash that killed '23 Americans' before giving transportation speech Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 passengers on board including 23 Americans, according to some reports President Obama said his national security team is working on identifying the U.S. citizens – and then launched into jokes and 16 minutes of prepared remarks Twitter erupted with digital eye-rolls at Obama's curt mention of the 'tragedy' that the Ukrainian government quickly called a 'criminal case' House Speaker John Boehner offered a solemn statement, saying 'many innocents were killed today. It is horrifying.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html#ixzz37lmMQkgxI had the news on when they cut to his speech and I muted the tv because he started with a chuckle, I'm glad I hit mute, its bad enough to read his words let alone hear him make jokes about 23 Americans killed in an unprovoked attack. Anyone see the irony that on the night of the Benghazi attack on September 12 obama ignored the attack on Americans so he could prepare for a campaign speech? That's why the truth about that night was hidden and the lies about a protest came out, to protect obama so the world wouldn't know that this, the above, is what he calls leadership. And all those claims that he's disconnected from the job and from the crisis's going on all over, this proves they're very right. Every time anything happens around the world Obama goes to a fund raiser and proves our country inept and totally devoid of any leadership. I can remember when his mindless minions were telling us how much more peaceful the world would be when he was elected. He is a complete moron and that is exactly the reason I did not vote for him. The manifest said there were 23 Americans on board... number might be off by one or two, people miss flights, but there were definitely Americans on board. If the 23 Americans on board manifest is correct, besides more sanctions on Russia...what more can we do to that asshole Putin? I think that POS is just laughing at us and the rest of the world now. And he would laugh at more sanctions...and probably just limit fuel/energy delivery to western Europe in retaliation. And what is our fearless leader up to? Fundraising/partying in NYC. In your first paragraph, you acknowledge that there's really not much more we can do to Putin than to increase sanctions, which won't really accomplish anything. Then you turn around and toss off the standard kneejerk insult to President Obama that he's going about his normal daily business. "Good Lord" is right. But it's got nothing to do with anything the President is doing or not doing. Below is the speech Reagan gave after Russia shot down a commercial flight that had Americans on board. Then compare that to obama playing tiddly winks while putin is playing war on innocent humans. I didn't post all the speech but compare that to obama's 40 second speech where he says it might be a tragedy. putin is a bully, is there a world leader man enough to stand up to him? obama sure isn't, he's busy fundraising and making jokes. One thing is for sure, obama certainly couldn't promise that those responsible will be held accountable for their actions because Americans have heard that line of bull before and know it means nothing. And like it or not, if obama hadn't talked Ukraine out of their nukes Russia wouldn't have attacked. |
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Just heard Juan Williams slap down Obama saying the optics look bad for him to be off fundraising..... 'It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy': Obama sparks anger with 40-second mention of Malaysian plane crash that killed '23 Americans' before giving transportation speech Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 passengers on board including 23 Americans, according to some reports President Obama said his national security team is working on identifying the U.S. citizens – and then launched into jokes and 16 minutes of prepared remarks Twitter erupted with digital eye-rolls at Obama's curt mention of the 'tragedy' that the Ukrainian government quickly called a 'criminal case' House Speaker John Boehner offered a solemn statement, saying 'many innocents were killed today. It is horrifying.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html#ixzz37lmMQkgxI had the news on when they cut to his speech and I muted the tv because he started with a chuckle, I'm glad I hit mute, its bad enough to read his words let alone hear him make jokes about 23 Americans killed in an unprovoked attack. Anyone see the irony that on the night of the Benghazi attack on September 12 obama ignored the attack on Americans so he could prepare for a campaign speech? That's why the truth about that night was hidden and the lies about a protest came out, to protect obama so the world wouldn't know that this, the above, is what he calls leadership. And all those claims that he's disconnected from the job and from the crisis's going on all over, this proves they're very right. Every time anything happens around the world Obama goes to a fund raiser and proves our country inept and totally devoid of any leadership. I can remember when his mindless minions were telling us how much more peaceful the world would be when he was elected. He is a complete moron and that is exactly the reason I did not vote for him. The manifest said there were 23 Americans on board... number might be off by one or two, people miss flights, but there were definitely Americans on board. If the 23 Americans on board manifest is correct, besides more sanctions on Russia...what more can we do to that asshole Putin? I think that POS is just laughing at us and the rest of the world now. And he would laugh at more sanctions...and probably just limit fuel/energy delivery to western Europe in retaliation. And what is our fearless leader up to? Fundraising/partying in NYC. |
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Just heard Juan Williams slap down Obama saying the optics look bad for him to be off fundraising..... 'It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy': Obama sparks anger with 40-second mention of Malaysian plane crash that killed '23 Americans' before giving transportation speech Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 passengers on board including 23 Americans, according to some reports President Obama said his national security team is working on identifying the U.S. citizens – and then launched into jokes and 16 minutes of prepared remarks Twitter erupted with digital eye-rolls at Obama's curt mention of the 'tragedy' that the Ukrainian government quickly called a 'criminal case' House Speaker John Boehner offered a solemn statement, saying 'many innocents were killed today. It is horrifying.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html#ixzz37lmMQkgxI had the news on when they cut to his speech and I muted the tv because he started with a chuckle, I'm glad I hit mute, its bad enough to read his words let alone hear him make jokes about 23 Americans killed in an unprovoked attack. Anyone see the irony that on the night of the Benghazi attack on September 12 obama ignored the attack on Americans so he could prepare for a campaign speech? That's why the truth about that night was hidden and the lies about a protest came out, to protect obama so the world wouldn't know that this, the above, is what he calls leadership. And all those claims that he's disconnected from the job and from the crisis's going on all over, this proves they're very right. Every time anything happens around the world Obama goes to a fund raiser and proves our country inept and totally devoid of any leadership. I can remember when his mindless minions were telling us how much more peaceful the world would be when he was elected. He is a complete moron and that is exactly the reason I did not vote for him. |
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I would suggest most people in first world countries have a problem with the concept of collective punishment. I certainly do. Israel has no blame here. They have a right to exist, and be where they are at. The Palestinians choose war over peace.
That's because they're not rational and have a poor historical perspective. The US has been unsuccessful in most of its military engagements since World War II precisely because it has a strong insistence on avoiding use of collective punishment and a tendency to adopt overly strict rules of engagement. What would you call the Allied campaigns of firebombing German and Japanese cities, or using nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki if not collective punishment? This war was remarkably successful precisely because the US showed a willingness to escalate violence to an unlimited level in order to win. Something which has not been done in any conflict since. The US has had no need and no particular interest in being successful with foreign engagements. It's been unnecessary or too dangerous depending on the time frame in question. What the fuck are you talking about?Would you be so glad to point me in the direction of an armed conflict which the participating US government had "no particular interest in"? First you need to learn to read. Parsing part of a sentence has no value, and in this case, no meaning either. Ask whatever question you want to ask based on what I said, not part of a sentence, and I may answer it. I may not if it's stupid enough, though. |
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The Arabs hate the Jews. That will never change. Israel is going to do whatever is necessary to secure it's sovereignty.
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This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat. Shot at 33,000 feet in the sky? I don't think this was any accident. The odds would be astronomical. I meant they could have mistaken an airliner for a military jet. At over six miles away, it would be hard to tell the difference. |
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I would suggest most people in first world countries have a problem with the concept of collective punishment. I certainly do. Israel has no blame here. They have a right to exist, and be where they are at. The Palestinians choose war over peace.
That's because they're not rational and have a poor historical perspective. The US has been unsuccessful in most of its military engagements since World War II precisely because it has a strong insistence on avoiding use of collective punishment and a tendency to adopt overly strict rules of engagement. What would you call the Allied campaigns of firebombing German and Japanese cities, or using nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki if not collective punishment? This war was remarkably successful precisely because the US showed a willingness to escalate violence to an unlimited level in order to win. Something which has not been done in any conflict since. Irrational is continuing a policy of collective punishment despite the historical fact that it never succeeds long term, and tends to lead to genocide. I suppose if you're sociopathic, you might be ok with that. The US has had no need and no particular interest in being successful with foreign engagements. It's been unnecessary or too dangerous depending on the time frame in question. It became impossible to use that sort of all out war after WW2, simply because the repercussions were too hard to control. And generally speaking, US presidents haven't been interested in global annihilation. |
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Sen. John McCain said Thursday that he is withholding judgment on the Malaysia Airlines crash, but vowed that there would be “hell to pay” if the plane was shot down by the Russian military or separatists.
“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
McCain's statement is grossly misrepresented.. and the usual suspects don't notice it at all and instead pile on... big surprise. McCain can't open his mouth without insisting that arming someone or warring with someone, or militarily intervening somewhere isn't the answer to every problem in the world, and he's been doing that forever. He's an angry, angry little man, vascillating between sputtering and spewing (and accusing the president of being an imbecile who has "embarrassed the country")... and trying to hold it together just long enough to make these "reasonable" statements....But he STILL wants the US to arm Ukraine, did you notice? What does that even mean, arm Ukraine? With what? A big part of McCain's problem is he was embarrassed in the presidential election and can't get over it. He has only himself and his choice for VP to blame for that. |
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And Ukraine blames the Russians. So? Let's wait and learn the truth. And I agree, Obama should remain silent until proof of fault is found.
Yes it is a stupid idea and I said their was no evidence. But both Christian religions and Muslim religions want Armageddon to happen. It is not out of the realm of possibility. |
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It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals.
I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying. It is very much like that. There is real religious fervor underlying this movement (I'm talking about batshit Christian fundamentalism and Dominionists etc)..... and the "libertarian" contingent that likes to present itself as NOT about this, is happy to throw in with them anyway and just ignore the Christian jihadist aspect. Ron and Rand Paul for example are Christianists to the core; they just don't advertise that part. If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael. Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention. Quote from Mother Jones: In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya." Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips. http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.htmlYou want to look at what Ted Cruz "fell from"  how about we look at what Barry Soetoro fell from a communist polygamist and a porn star mom? ?? an uncle that's a murdering would be dictator? ? a grandfather who was supported by his wife his entire life? Do you really want to get into family histories? ? |
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This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat. Ok, this one IS for you, Rigon - what do you think Obama should be doing about the Ukranian/Russian problem? I said Obama is no threat. I have no opinion on what he should do now, because he has already lost the respect of the rest of the world. When he kissed Russia's ass with his idiot 'reset', and took away the European missile defense system, he threw away his leverage at the same time. He's your guy, not mine. |
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