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2201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 03, 2014, 08:43:32 PM
When the boobies come out, I know that markets are thin and you guys (and gals?) need something to talk about.  Let's see where this goes...


2202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 02, 2014, 03:04:00 AM
Someone (not me) put up a nice buy order at Cryptsy.

0.00740025   544.27420778   4.02776521 btc

Sell into it at your own risk! Smiley


2203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [KSC] KASHMIRCOIN - MANDATORY UPDATE! - - - "BURIED" POW - cWallet - 50% POS on: November 02, 2014, 02:06:06 AM
Hello folks !

How about the KSC status ?
The POS is working or not ?
I hope the devs will not abandone this GOOD coin.
Why I called GOOD ?
Well, look here:
http://www.worldcoinindex.com/
Yes, my friends, our beloved KSC is on the #3 on the top of most valuable coins !
Please don't lose your hope, and continue your good job !
Hope we will hit Bittrex / Poloniex / Crypsty / BTER and another age will begin !
 

HAH?  I see it at 236 lol:-)

Dev......what's going on with the wallet, has been stuck for days now again?
I think he's confused. 3 is the volume.  $3.

If things don't work out for you with KSC, we'd welcome you guys to check out Unobtanium. It's a rare coin that works, and we could use good solid faithful, optimistic long-term KSC community members like you all. Come check out UNO. I like the community I see here. I think you'll do better with UNO if you appreciate the qualities of long term rare coins you hodl.
2204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 02, 2014, 01:43:47 AM
Like the memes. But the logo seems a little.... different, somehow. Can't put my finger on it.
2205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 02, 2014, 12:54:13 AM


 Cheesy
I don't know man.... that's starting to look like a pump to me.  Grin
2206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 01, 2014, 10:55:50 PM
Look up Friedman's simple paper on the Yap islander's stone money.
It was a system that worked great. It was based on quality & fairness.
When it became unfair with the arrival of tools that made it easier to mint, the "new" stone coins were not as valuable.
Many currencies (fiat and crypto) have been ruined by unfair debasement.
Unfair money always fails.
2207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 01, 2014, 10:10:37 PM
@FK

needs more promo like that. That's pretty good.
We need more education about the past dumps of the coinex stolen coins too because people don't know about that they can't interpret the charts correctly. If you don't know about that and look at 1-year-chart it looks pretty strange and a rise now and not before does not make the slightest sense if you would not have the info about coinex. But if you know that and know the coinex-selling stopped in July suddenly the chart makes very much sense. I think people are wary because they don't have that piece of information and the longtermcharts look strange to them. I think a lot of people would be more after uno if they were educated why the 1-year-chart looks so untypical.
Well, the issue with the charts is going to correct itself over time luckily.

A quote from a random person on the razor-thread:


Look at UNO over the last 2 months. Explain that rise when nothing ever has been done since wolong wrecked it.
coinex-trouble.

The more new tradehistory we have the less will all this be felt imo.
I agree, I'm not sure how long it will take some to get educated. The no inflation, fair launch, trade for AG / AU, Hedges, not to mention real people making up a great and supporting community.

It seems to me that most people are just trying to pump and dump to make a quick buck. The number of new coins should start going down as people wise up to the BS.

I have seen some new names here recently in our community, so that's always a great sign that the word is getting out. The turtle is the perfect analogy. Slow and steady. That's how true wealth is built. Stay the course ladies and gentlemen!

Every single crypto currency worth it's salt was pumped at least once.  Just go back and look at virtually any of the class-of-2013 coins on Cryptsy.  Nearly every one I looked at was pumped.  Pumps are just.... pumps. They don't say anything about the long term worth of a coin, but they sure do mess up a one year chart.

Why is UNO rising?
Yes, UNO was epically pumped by Wolong in 2014 (So was Doge, and other coins). Then it was dumped (so was Doge and other coins). Bag holders slowly sold off, supressing the price. This pressure has abated.
Yes, CoinEx stole about 5% of UNO and liquidated it, supressing the price. This pressure has also abated, based on our blockchain sluething.
The fundamentals of UNO stayed the same throughout.
Today, there is virtually no inflation. I suspect more Uno will be lost in 2015 due to human error than will be mined.

A lot of UNO was mined in it's first year, as rewards went from 1 Uno/block to .03125 per block. In 2015, Uno will halve twice more, meaning that selling pressure on Uno from mining will only be about 1% or less, a tiny fraction of what we saw in 2013-14.


What a lot of these people are missing is that fundamentals make a coin, not simply features. Features can be tacked onto any coin, whenever a dev/community wants to. For example, anonymity would be cool in Uno, but anonymity is an app, not money. If the holdings of your anonymous money is being eroded by, say, 50%/year, who will want to hold it more than a few days?   It may make a coin useful for a specific purpose (dark markets, perhaps?).  But what do the fundamentals of a coin say long term? Does anonymity alone make it worth holding? I don't think so.

There's lots of questions that I wish altcoin "investors" would ask about the coins they invest in.
Will holders of a coin be subject to POS high inflation?
Are investors better off to sell it/spend it than to hold it?
What does the mining reward look like?
How does do newly minted coins add to inflation?
Are investors at the mercy of anonymous devs holding a huge premine who may cash out?
Is the coin a flatout scam?  Only time will tell.  (Pumping a coin does not make a coin a scam -- it makes the pumper a scammer).
Has the coin been around for a year?
Is there a committed community that is likely to be around for awhile?

My problem with a lot of these "coins" is that they are not coins at all. They call themselves "this-coin" or "that-coin," but they are not really coins (Unobtanium doesn't even pretend to call itself a coin. Unobtanium is just Unobtanium, whatever that is). They are blockchain regulated apps trying to pass themselves off as money.  And maybe Uno isn't even a coin. Maybe it's cryptographic bullion.

Someone once asked me, "What's the innovation in UNO."  To me it's fairness, and most coins can't say that.

You can tack great features onto an unfair coin, but then all you'll have is an unfair coin with great features.  
You can build on fairness.



2208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 01, 2014, 05:59:32 PM
If anyone is at a loose end, check the 365-day charts of every coin above us. Ix Coin leaped back into the top ranks a month ago, but our old foe Mona Coin has slid under the mark.

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that's correct. Uno is pretty much the only coin that in a whole year didn't loose you money for holding it. But people think it is not interesting because it's not so volatile  Cheesy

When will they wake up?
You are absolutely right. It's a different animal altogether. UNO is the closest thing to digital bullion, imo.
There is nothing else in the cryptosphere  embodying the characterstics of uno that is viable.

If we were to setout today to create a digital bullion equivalent, that is something digital that could be a store of value and that would be desirable to hold in and of itself; not simply a gold-backed piece of digital paper....

We would want an indisputably fair launch  with no instamine.
We would need a reasonable period of time for distribution (pow mining) at least a couple of years
We want to get to a point rather quickly of low inflation, so that investors can feel comfortable holding it without the specter of having their holdings rapidly diluted
We wouldn't want POS, which is the equivalent of paying someone off in fiat and introducing inflation.
We would want it to be a reasonable, fixed quantity on a known production schedule, without any superblocks or hidden blocks
We'll want a tiny long term inflation to help sustain the network.  
We would want no pre-mine that would reward a small group of individuals and place the ultimate destiny of the commodity into the hands of a few individuals.  In this regard, UNO is better than gold; imo gold mines owned by huge corporations or governments which can ramp up production whenever the price suits them, is the real-world equivalent of a pre-mine. They already control the known gold reserves.  Same with DeBeers and diamonds.
We would want a history and longevity proving that there is an active market and interest in this commodity.

The leap that is difficult for people to make is:  how can a string of jumbled cryptographic digits be a commodity?  How can it be valued?
Gold, afterall, can be felt and it's luster appreciated; it's beautiful. Beside it beauty are usefulness in industry, and for jewelry.

How could a string of digits ever be a commodity.
Part of the beauty of a commodity like Uno is its rareness; not rareness in just the quantitative sense, but also in its fair lanch.   It is truly a rare form of value/exchange, the embodiment of fairness from the very beginning.

It's better than gold in the area of storage and transportability. Ukraine's gold reserves were not instantly wired to the NY Fed; it had to be flown out on a transport plane.

Utility?While it will never be used to build circuitboards, it can be used to buy circuit boards.  UNO has the ability to be used in commerce in ways that would be difficult to do with gold today. It has the same benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency, as well as having the unique attributes of fairness/rarity/community/longevity.  For example UNO is easily divisible, instantly transferrable, easy to store.

UNO is a different kind of commodity. It embodies the unique and unusual characteristics of fairness that Blazr2 gave it at birth, which sets it apart from just about anything else. It embodies the utility of cryptocurrency, and the rareness of a desirable mineral.  And it has guaranteed low inflation (something you can't promise even with gold & diamonds, since more can always be produced if the price supports that.)

The world has never seen anything quite like this.  So I agree with you smalltimer. The challenge is helping people understand what this thing is, how it's different, and what it's good for. When people understand what it is, they eventually get it.

Fairness IS an innovation in crypto. Someone has to sacrifice to have fairness, and Blazr2 was that guy; he sacrificed in a way that I haven't seen anybody sacrifice since.  Zero holdback, no schemes to enrich himself. He even paid to scrounge a few early Uno for the faucet he set up.  

In a world of scams, if a coin doesn't have fairness at day one, it can never, ever be made fair later. Ever.

Uno now has 510,883 blocks of fairness. One year solidly behind it. New coins?  Not so much.
Critics can say Uno was pumped by Wolong (old news), or is being pumped (whatever)... but they can never say it wasn't launched fairly.
2209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: November 01, 2014, 05:14:28 PM
Rolling into a new month... UNO... must... be... bought!
I'm right behind ya!
2210  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 31, 2014, 09:40:50 PM
appears to be low volume day for uno, but then you look at it again and see it still is Top 20 volume on cryptsy.

Crypto makes a deserted impression. Are we the last survivors? Cheesy

I miss 5 to 10 shitcoin launches a day. These days the only ones launching coins are desperate twitter-whales launching the own private coin as a last resort  Cheesy


Other topic: Wanted to buy Litecoin today, then found out it still inflates with 30% this year... not in a rush to buy now. And people blame asics for it? Sure, those bad asics. It is them dumping all the coins. Sure, what else?  Roll Eyes


edit: forgot it's halloween. Everyone must be drunk in the pub. Explains low vol. 

Happy Halloween!  Yes, the markets were very boring today.  Headed out to buy some pumpkin spice beer.  I make my best trades when I'm drinking.
2211  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: cryptocoincharts.info - bitcoin / altcoin charts on: October 31, 2014, 04:15:44 PM
Hello!

Some of the info at http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/coins/show/uno for Unobtanium could use an update.

Website is now:  http://unobtanium.uno
Blockexplorer:  https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/

I think the mining stats you need can also be pulled from Chainz api at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/api.dws

These exchanges for Uno can be dropped:
Coins-e.com, Coinex.pw,  Atomic-trade.com, Mintpal.com.

The Uno/Btc price from Cryptsy doesn't appear to be working.

Thanks! We appreciate you listing Uno.
2212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: List of AltCoin Exchanges on: October 31, 2014, 11:53:21 AM

Thanks for the new catches. Added to the OP.
2213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 31, 2014, 02:57:32 AM
@FK
you're probably right about them not having coldstorage for uno

I see approx. 1300 on the explorer. That's an amount that i would feel is about right they could have held. But in case the taintanalysis would be correct  there would still be some hope since the coins are still in those adresses. Would be good to get that verified by Moolah.



Yeah, 1.3 ton feels about right for that market.
Here's the actual deposit I made to one of my MintPal addresses:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?ue2rgaZY5xU8eCDBARMbWeZUTxvKvS7kYV.htm

I remember I was cautious about MP at the time, so I first sent a 1 un transaction to make sure it would arrive.  

All of the coins I deposited are still in that MintPal Uno address, even though I have withdrawn about 150 Uno and only had 255 on account at the time they went down. Somehow, they just never got around to tapping this wallet.

We can keep an eye on this wallet. If it moves, then it's because MP/Alex Green is moving it.  
2214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 31, 2014, 01:51:16 AM
what's going on with mintpal? Dancing like Coinex? Shifting blame? Nobody in charge? How many Uno is missing? I was able to withdraw all mine. What's the damage? Not more than 1 ton from everyone combined, is it? Hope everyone was able to withdraw their uno.

edit:
found this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824211.0

it says 255 uno missing (2btc worth / roughly 0.05% of all the missing funds)

... less than 0,2% of supply. Won't have such a negative impact on the market like coinex did, which is good news. 255 is much less than i would have thought. Well done containing the damage as much as possible, everyone!  
I've been keeping a private tally as people let me know about their MP losses. I know it is at least 500 Uno.  255 of that was me, trying to provide some liquidity for that market.
It would be easy to estimate at least 2 thousand Uno on MP (maybe more), based on what I remember about the order book.  I don't think there was gigantic amount of Uno entrusted to MP, but certainly enough to account for some large recent dumps.

One of the original MP founders wrote today that some altcoin cold storage wallets were retrieved from MP v1 servers. He stepped up to pay the server bill out of his own pocket so they wouldn't be destroyed by the hosting company. I asked him today if Uno was among those recovered and am hoping he gives a response.

So their  'coldstorage' wasn't a coldstorage at all? Interesting.  
They may not have had enough Uno to bother with cold storage.
I've been digging around in the rockchain based on a few transfers I made to and from MP. It all seems to lead to just hot wallets and not cold storage.

I think this is a list of MP hot wallets, based on Chainz' taint function:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/wallet.dws?54813.htm

If you sent Uno to MintPal, do you find any of your MP deposit addresses in this list?

Its all just speculation. I should have kept better records I guess. If these tainted wallets really are connected to MP, we're looking at only about 1320 Uno left out there. It makes my head hurt to try and follow this stuff.


2215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 30, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
what's going on with mintpal? Dancing like Coinex? Shifting blame? Nobody in charge? How many Uno is missing? I was able to withdraw all mine. What's the damage? Not more than 1 ton from everyone combined, is it? Hope everyone was able to withdraw their uno.

edit:
found this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824211.0

it says 255 uno missing (2btc worth / roughly 0.05% of all the missing funds)

... less than 0,2% of supply. Won't have such a negative impact on the market like coinex did, which is good news. 255 is much less than i would have thought. Well done containing the damage as much as possible, everyone!  
I've been keeping a private tally as people let me know about their MP losses. I know it is at least 500 Uno.  255 of that was me, trying to provide some liquidity for that market.
It would be easy to estimate at least 2 thousand Uno on MP (maybe more), based on what I remember about the order book.  I don't think there was gigantic amount of Uno entrusted to MP, but certainly enough to account for some large recent dumps.

One of the original MP founders wrote today that some altcoin cold storage wallets were retrieved from MP v1 servers. He stepped up to pay the server bill out of his own pocket so they wouldn't be destroyed by the hosting company. I asked him today if Uno was among those recovered and am hoping he gives a response.
2216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 30, 2014, 02:35:40 AM
The Price of BTC is getting good!  I see a Uno accumulation opportunity for new USD.
2217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 30, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
Next week another exchange will add UNO/USD pairing.
I'm sworn not to say who.  Lips sealed
I think any reliable new market for Uno is a step in the right direction and demonstrates the continued and growing interest in our favorite coin.
It should be announced next week.
2218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 29, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
AltExplorer is back.  

http://altexplorer.info/chains/UNO/block_crawler.php

Seems to be working. While it's not quite as pretty as it used to be, it is always useful to have another 0.9.5 node on the network.
2219  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [ANN] Unobtanium Silver Wallet 1.65 ounces of pure fine silver for sale on: October 29, 2014, 01:13:36 AM
Got mine! Looks great! Thanks!
2220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Current wallet 0.9.5 on: October 29, 2014, 12:57:10 AM
I think a round of applause is in order. Thanks Benefactor and Mark for organizing and completing this award. Great job!
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