What happened: Fake team profile

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2610761
Scammers Website: https://www.newukrainecoin.com/ | archived ^{special thanks to SRF10 for suggesting this web archiver few months ago, as waybackmachine and archive.today seems couldn't archive it properly}
Scammers ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394467.0| archived
Scammers Whitepaper: https://www.newukrainecoin.com/_files/ugd/61619b_58ad006e3c6c4284bb925dfb6da80b5b.pdf | archived

Ok, this is kind interesting as these three people appears on so many projects across the internet, each with different roles and names, which kinda reminds me of Johnny Sins. For example, they're featured on MERF¹ in Philippine, A photographer² in Georgia, a one Patrick Oates Insurance agent³ in Wisconsin, a mining company⁴ in Indonesia, a climate justice and feminist heroes⁵ in Malaysia, a public forum and citizenship⁶ (?) not sure about this, they're now Puerto Rican, though, and many more that I am somewhat think those pictures must be a template from a website builder.

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Additional notes:
I think, at this point and sadly, it became a rule of thumb that a project using Ukraine as one of their aspect --be it a pure donation project which actually only distribute a tiny portion of the total fund to Ukraine, or project with working features like this-- should be approached with caution as mostly are scam projects from people with zero morals and ethic who tried to reap benefits from other's suffering.

A note that I think worth considering though, for anyone who actually really interested and moved to donate to Ukraine through crypto, I would suggest to use Binance's Ukraine Emergency Relief Fund as the fundraising is --yes, is, it's still ongoing-- hosted by a very reputable crypto organization with a --IMO-- transparent fund distribution and unless I am mistaken, the entire 100% of the fund raised are allocated to those in needs, no 80% investors bullshit, or 19% transaction fees are for the refugee, or anything like it.

I think you are the one that didn't understand the real situation here. Putting your project on the same line with bitcoin shows either you're very biased or too stubborn to see the truth and flaws of your project. JeromeTash even pointed out the glaring difference, which you conveniently choose to ignore


If you still insist, though, that you're not different from those well known crypto projects, can you please point us out on the article and statement made by Nakamoto that asked for a crowdfund of his project, and more specifically, the one with something which said that whatever he do with the earning he got from BTC is no one's problem?

I don't think it is that hard to see that the problem lies on the fact that you didn't even present your project or roadmap, other than the ambiguous list of projects, not to mention the space program. Basically, for all we know, you could actually just asked people to fund your living expenses, thus begging.

They... have given the constructive feedback:


I wonder how could you missed this part of suggestions, given it is repeated several times, which, by the way, is a very far easier way to prove your credibility than the lawsuit you're trying to pursue to --the way I read them, I am not guilty and punisable by law for misinterpreting your meaning, LOL-- flex yourself and/or to threaten people. Honestly and in a spirit of positive... feedback, wouldn't you agree that taking the course of lawsuit will actually hurt your own reputation?

I won't blame lovesmayfamilis for failing to find Ms. Novikava's IG profile though, even with the picture you gave and her full name, I can't find the correct ig profile --I can't imagine what'll my IG algorithm shows me after this, given I spent so many times scrolling through nail arts and uhh... models. So... link? It'll be very much appreciated.

Another constructive feedback, while you're at it, I think it won't hurt to ask your lawyer to kinda also give a proof that he's in a partnership with you too and you didn't just pluck his photo from the firm's website and put it in your WP without his knowledge. I think a picture of him holding your company name is more than enough.

Yes, as I've state numerous times to people who cursed me for obliterating their scam projects. Thanks, though, I'll take that as a compliment.


Sadly, this is the exact answer given by scam projects when they're cornered and couldn't give a better answer.


I'm not asking why binance not supporting you --and I'm sure as hell they have a good reason-- or anything that put you and binance in the same category. What I'm asking is, why people should bother to donate through you, where only 20% of the total token on the entire project is allocated to Ukrainian, which released gradually, and the value depends very dangerously to your capabilities to raise and keep your token's value, while there is a more practical, more transparent, more sure and precise foundation raised by a more trusted entity named binance foundation, which allocate all of the donation made to those in needs?

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Ahh, I almost forget, where's the whitepaper you promised to be available on the front page of your webaite on your other thread? Made me wondered further if you made a new thread specifically to get away with that promise you made.

Oh wow! Look at that nice picture of mine!!! I grew facial hairs, that's dope! Anyway, thanks for pointing out that there are scammers using my profile. Any BM reading this --since for sure I can't contact each and every single one of you-- I am not sure if the account is still active, given the spreadsheet shown on the picture were from 2018, but if he is, kindly ban username @naharsingh019 from each current and future bounty of yours, that is not my profile at all.

Now, back to the matter at hand, this thread is created for that specific reason you state in red, to warn newbies if they're tempted to invest on a project with poor quality and future. So we have an agreement that your project is not even worth investing as you yourself are not even sure if you can get any financial gains?

And the name --and reputation-- of the nominated exchange is...? It is rather discouraging that you deliberately give vague information of your course of action and need to be asked first before providing them.

One thing that's also interesting to be mentioned is how you refer binance foundation as an example you tried to follow. Interesting because --as it turns out-- you're aware of their existence, and if your motivation is truly to aid the people in needs, with your own sweat, time, money, etc. like how other voluntary workers and donator do, wouldn't it be practical to just direct people to binance's dedicated Ukraine Emergency Relief Fund which more reputable, more transparent, and more importantly, allocate all of the funds for charities, not just 20%.

Which govt sector? Who will determine the right time to trade the reserved token to be most profitable for Ukrainian? Dev team? How? Wouldn't it mean the team has access to the said wallet and --let's suppose the situation and condition tempt them-- could use them whenever they want?

What happened: Raising a project with no clear goal and product or service, with a sole purpose to crowdfund their own business. What business? Well... that's a funny question, see below evidences for a better insight.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2779504 as well as his original account, this one is made for ban evasion
Scammers Website: http://tacali.space/ | archived
Scammers ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392317.0 | archived


Newbie Flag raised, kindly support only if you're agree with my opinion stated below: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2943

Additional notes:

I'm not sure if we can consider the project as a scam and thus, if this board is the appropriate board. However, due to the nature of the project and the "dev" themselves --ban evasion, death threat, witch hunting of "gang", and other questionable behavior-- I am leaning toward a possibility to money-grab. The nature of the project itself violated the rule of "no-begging" as they're basically begged to be funded to do their business, which has no clear purpose or tangible --and intangible-- product, unless we considered crowdfunding someone to build a multidimensional company that works in health, franchises, production and distribution, and other sectors, not to forget to be as successful as Musk and Bezos, thus allows the holder to be employed in space is somewhat... realistic.

I prefer to be accused as a realist. I'm open to possibilities, but I am also well aware of the difference between a possible opportunity and something that'll ends up in trash.

Following your suggestion to look your name on google though, doesn't seems to give any further contribution ro back up your credibility, which further tipping the scale toward the impossibility, right there on the stack with moon project. I'd like to advise you to spoonfeed me this information.

And yes, I agreed, with good health and capital, you can do almost anything. That is not a big secret. In fact, that's why people.work and exercises. Work, not begging for a crowdfund of a project that's not even clear.

Basically, we can say you're asking for something like this: "give me money, I'll do something that if it works, it'll bring profits." And people asked, "what kind of work are you doing? Any prototype or description?", which you replied, "well. This and that. A little bit of loyalty and products selling. Maybe moon, LOL. Don't ask too much about it. If nakamoto and musk can, I can too."

Mostly, am agree with the ground rules. I appeal to reconsider this rule, though.

As previously stated and evidenced on reports and investigations made by, well... less-than-handful users, low ranked members sometimes can contribute on a well thorough investigation too. It would rather sounds unfair if they're not allowed to post a well founded investigation, and IMO, borderline exclusivizing high member rank. True that they can --by the ground rule-- post their link on the reputation board, but it would pose a possibility to drown the board with new threads as newbies will create new topics every now and then, disregarding the truth and quality of the said investigation, and thus, poses a threat to drown a more important reputation threads like this very thread itself. Further, it would beat the purpose of this thread --to report known alts of anyone, especially those who cheated forum rules-- if there are several threads with same theme.

My counter-proposal is, in the spirit to make this thread clean --which I'm more than eager to see it be-- to perhaps create two different threads that's "interconnected". Instead of asking newbies to create their own threads, just make one thread specifically to let them report or ask for an investigation for alts. Only after the findings proven to be true, the report is "copied" here, citing and crediting the original reporter. This way, this thread will stay neat and newbie can still participate in contribution to purge this forum from cheaters and rewarded --if that's their utmost intention.

Other suggestion is to allow them to post their reports here for couple of times, and if those findings keep showing a bad investigation like the case of teletalk.org, then they'll be evicted from this thread until 2023[/list]

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P.s.: almost forgot to add this section:

About the concerns of "double findings", although it is true that a serious investigators will firstly make sure their findings are not yet reported here --somewhere in the hundreds of pages of reports-- and although we can argue that ninjastic would help tackled this double findings situation by consulting the username to its searchbox, what do you think about giving more convenience to investigators by compiling a permanent and easy to find easy to read list? The previous two threads has this feature.

I am sure if we make this similar list right now, we'll need probably ten or so reserved slots on the first page --let alone the trouble needed to edit and add new UID connected to the past findings-- so I propose to make the compilation on a spreadsheet, a la bounty spreadsheet, anyone can read, but only "admin" can edit the list. It's easy to look at, easy to track what UID already reported, and easy to add new names below the cells of the already known alt for the case of finding that the said alt made other new ones.

I am well aware that you barely mention the doxxed part, so I think I'll pursue this past before moving to other that i have in mind. I believe, if you're truly want to do things better and different from others, that's where you can start. Surely you'll agree that there are a lot of projects with similar themes with you --freelancing platform, training platform, career deepening center, etc.-- and so far I've seen none works so good.

Plus, wouldn't it be an epic irony for a platform which offers a CV database and job matchmaking to not showing their very own CV?

Ahh yes, the good old "if bitcoin and other coin can, why can't I?" Let me guess, you want to be anonymous too, just like the unknown founder bitcoin? I can go on and on about how it won't work, pointing out to you the flaws in your brilliant plan to conquer the world, but we should start with the two easiest ones: the glaring fact that you have a nice yellow number below your profile and the ludicrous description of your aim.

Did you really seriously planning to fly people and employ them in space? That space above us? How much do you actually planned to crowdfund, again?

Why do I feel like we are talking in circles? The post you gave as an answer is counterproductive toward the development and future of the project, it brought us back to the first question on why would a company pay to get a CV when thousands are readily available for them. From IT sectors, your selling point is rather weak for the reason I lengthy describe on my previous post, and if you expand to other sectors, the selling point itself will became obsolete as I don't think any company would find the appeal to pay for such access.

I'm sorry, but I feel like your questionable decisions are quite a red flag. Kindly prove me wrong so we can talk further about your features and selling points on a morr comfortable environment. You state that your founders are a professional headhunters, can you please let them be doxxed?

The problem is that while LinkedIn available and open themselves to every professions, you limit yourself to IT sector, and I don't think it works in favor to a "more focused" kind of way due to the fact that --according to you, I have no idea what is programmer's actual probability of employment from it-- the IT people didn't really need the platform to get jobs. In other word, we cam safely assume they use the platform just to "brag" about their past employment.

With LinkedIn, companies could consult their applicant's resume through it, any applicant from any job sector, and employee could polish their CV to make it presentable to any companies interested. So, even if the IT worker didn't interested on looking through and polishing their LinkedIn profile for jobs --since jobs come to them on daily basis, all of them-- companies and the LinkedIn themselves still could reap benefits from other sectors --be it an art worker, auditor, chefs, or whatever job imaginable, even post graduate students have and employs LinkedIn to show their academic history.

While for your case, since you're only for IT sectors and the IT sectors themselves didn't really need to utilize a job seeking platform, it'll make sense if the platform only serve benefits for job giver --the IT couldn't and wouldn't care less, they have it coming in bulk on daily basis-- and why would a job giver, a company, utilize a platform where they have to pay to look at a CV while another platform that is free is readily available for them?

Well no, LOL. For what it worth, I personally think you're belong to the second part of the very sentence you quoted. In fact, a very good example of... "newbies" who did a wholesome research. I think the amount of the merits given to you and your findings on multiple occasions itself is already a proof thst other members also think amd agreed that your contribution is very beneficial to this forum. And please, if you don't mind, share your thoughts here so others can think and probably get another ideas from it. This is an open forum, not North Korea.

Ok, so if... it's very easy to get a job offer in IT department as the offers --a company seeking an employee-- are greater than the available applicants, and that the IT people are receiving dozens of contract offers daily, why would they bother applying some more on your platform? Wouldn't they could just sat nicely in their home and job offers come to them?

I can't access your website, so I can't see if there is further information about your project on it. What I can gather from this very brief description of your project is that you --if we may use the word freely-- asked people to donate you, to fuel whatever obscure business you have in mind and if -emphasize on "if"-- you're succeeded, they'll be rewarded. Otherwise, they lost their fund?

I can't understand why would a company pay to read a CV while they could have tons of them for free --and most ends up on the trashcan-- just by opening a job vacancy. Sure, you could say that the CV you offered will be more accurate with the specifications they asked for candidates, and they can cut their budget of hiring a HR staff because everything is automated by your platform, thus allowing them to allocate their HR payments to pay for the CV you provide, but that's not gonna work in real practice.

CV would only allows HR --be it human or automated-- to filter candidates through their hard skills, but what'll matter for companies and what'll be point used to consider hiring one candidate over another is their soft skill, which can be hard --borderline impossible-- for a robot to verify. In other words, the companies will still need their HR and wouldn't, couldn't, replace them with your system.

Not sure if I'm within the circle of this investigators since my contribution for this sector is very low, but my two cents for this issue at hand fall alongside the line of what lovesmayfamilis said


I believe it is not a secret that those newbies coming here with half effort on their findings is to chase merits, thus, "the more newbie investigations get merits, the more rubbish you will see in this thread." although I have to beg to slightly differ, as probably some newbies or low ranked members did a wholesome effort on their investigations.

I am agree that the most efficient way to prevent "merit abuse" on this thread lies on the hand of the merit giver to hold themselves from giving merits so easily, and DT to properly review the reports made both by newbies or other questionable report with weak proof and then properly tag those who deserve red tag.

A slight difference that I have in mind from lovesmayfamilis is the classic reward and punishment system. Merit is what lures newbies to come to this thread giving dubious reports, so let's introduce its counterpart: the punishment.

Not a punishment per se, just a neutral tag on the accounts who frequently give baseless findings. That tag would serve as a side note for proper investigators, BM, and DT to address the urgency of the reports. Newbies with several neutral tags stating they have multiple false reports would indicate they have a tendency to do half assed investigation, and thus their reports didn't deserve an urgency to be checked. On the contrary, they deserve the ignore button if they continue on bringing false-investigation at their hand.

No harm done for those account itself, they're not tagged with red so they can still get access to most things on this forum, their post will just not appeared properly on this thread for those who hit ignore button on their account, thus preventing them from gaining merit in the future from this thread even if those future investigations are deep and thorough. With this, by a "threat" that their efforts will gave them nothing --and even worse, it'll probably hinder them from gaining merit in the future-- hopefully it'll encourage them to double check their "findings" before reporting it.

The ignore button will also saving this thread cohabitant's --read: the investigators, BM, and DT-- time from reinvestigating accounts that is not actually in need to be investigated.

If you care enough of your project as well as being properly mentored by an industry veteran, you'll consider to just take the essence of the said document that effectively describe different kind of AMM instead of blatantly copying them. I would question the knowledge you gained from this mentor if they allows (lest advise) you to use other people's work. Again, business ethic. As I've previously said here and there, I am a firm believer that there is a difference between "taking an idea from someone and made your own from it" and "stealing people's work".

But let's not dwell just on this matter, as I am sure it is rather a stalemate. You'll insist that you didn't do anything wrong while this forum would lean toward their well spoken official-unofficial rule of plagiarism. As you said that you're well mentored by an industry veteran, I am rather sure that veteran has informed you the importance of credibility, brand equity, trust, etc. as well? That's the business 101. So, I would humbly asked you to grace us with unveiling the team behind this project. If you're really serious with the project and has no intention to scam people, you're certainly wouldn't mind to be doxxed in exchange to gain some of people's trust?