To be completely fair and neutral, they've uploaded their evidences to AG, and AG determined them as a solid findings. Not sure if you can do this, but if you're sure you are being the one wronged here, maybe try asking askgambler to reopen your case by providing proof that you're not multi--acc-ing and your bets are normal.

Our Sam remains silent, he was online earlier today and certainly was aware of this current situation, but didn't choose to say anything. As I can't trust a BM and CM who didn't do the slightest DD, I supported the flag and added a tag as well.

So, I got some free time at hand today and curiosity gets the best of me. So, in a wish to close this case for good, I threw myself into the site in question itself to see what's this boosted bet by their definition.

It's funny how you said earlier that you never use any bonus and never cheated, that you close your accounts simply for personal reason, and that only after I pointed out that you had your bet on boosted mode, you added a claim that it's not a bonus or promotion, because clearly their guide page said the opposite:


 

The boosted bet is clearly listed on their promotional page, and given you utilized this not-a-promotion thing, I am quite sure you also aware about this. But that's not the end of it, as I said, I have some free time at hand, and since I wanted to get to the bottom of this and think there's more to these... accounts closing and reopening, I took one step further and dig deeper: I made an account on SB, just for you and this case.

Guess what I found? This:



Apparently --at least to me-- although you can use a boost for one sport every 24 hours, the amount of this promotion is not unlimited. In my case, I have 39 free boosts. So what do I need when I ran out of boost? Well, I guess I can just... feel I've got enough, close my account, and then open a new one few days later. Voila, new boosts.

So the number on your website is a typo? Wow, such a big error, don't you agree? It's a huge margin difference and possibly mislead people into interest.

I'd also like to know about your plan to be Canadian AML compliant, i see this on the "Legal" section of your whirepaper, but why doesn't anything about it mentioned on your roadmap? Does the compliance planned foe a very very far future that it's not covered on the roadmap?

Sadly, some of those casino does entitled to be questioned and "demanded" to reveal their basis of their accusation --not their strategy-- because, like Little Mouse said, some ill-intentioned casino use "you agree to our ToS" and alike to get away from their wrongful accusation. One good example is err... a casino with fruit-slash-vegetable name attached to it that I recently attended, they finally tried to hide behind NDA to settle their issue with a customer raising their dispute here because --I can only assume-- they can't prove that their reason of banning is valid. And this outcome were achieved because the community requested a proof of their counter-accusation against the user.

Another notorious case is err... that site with scale and two dice for their logo, where upon a long and hard cat-and-mouse, they suddenly withdrawn their decision and "compensate" the user for the inconvenience. This too achieved because they were asked for proof of their claim and unable to provide, the situation would probably ends differently with the victim losing even more if the forum didn't assist the issue.

Although, there also cases where the accuser are clearly the wrong side here, yet had the audacity to demand more and more evidences although the representative of the casino had provided enough.


It's... OP is being satirical, in response to the blooming of recent cases where people claimed being scammed by trusted casino like sportsbet or stake. OP is not actually currently being scammed by them

Was giving them a benefit of doubts and waiting for them to prove that they're legit by showing us their team, but their latest answer below clearly shows they're 100% entitled for doubt. Flag is now raised and updated on the opening post.


Three weeks? By then, your token sale is already over, you expect people to invest on you first before you show any sign of what a legit project possess, e.g.: original WP and/or clear team details? And why would it need that long? I thought you didn't write your own WP and had to --I'll pretend you did hire someone instead of caught red handed-- "resort to a freelancer" simply because English is not your native language, wouldn't that means you could just whip your already prepared draft and have someone to translate them for you in matter of hours?

And for NO TEAM that rock for a long time, can you please give us an example of one which also "outsourced" their WP and caught plagiarizes many materials?

A project who hired a content writer to write their document because "they-didn't-speak-English-although-their-replies-here-are-damn-near-perfect" are questionable, a project that's also not bothering to spend several minutes to proofread their materials are double questionable and deserve a flag right away, but that's my owm view, and I tried to give you a benefit of doubt. But certainly we have to protect the benefits of many, i.e.: your future investors, especially as you planned to prove your legitimacy only after the token sale is long over. So, in the name of Krampus and Ho-Ho-Ho, here's a flag, and a tag.

Very nice. When can we expect this hopefully-not-plagiarized-anymore whitepaper v.2.0? It's worth mentioning that you're currently having your crowdsale running, people would need that important document before they could --and should-- consider and weighting if it's on their best interest to put their egg on your basket. I'll boldly assume these team will have transparent identity, real pic, etc. and not the good-old cartoonish avatar of your team?

Sure, let's talk about something else,


I am not sure how swamped it need to be for a team to be unable to check something that's literally took less than minutes, so how many people are there in your team, again? I can't see any details about your team.

And this number is a forecast, right? The actual number is yet to be proven as you're not launched yet and after that, the 1M daily volume would still highly dependent on the popularity and mass adopti of your token. By the way, your website said 20%-100% ROI, not 10%. A honest mistake or were you forgot the number you wrote there because well... that's just a random number you threw, you forgot them immediately.

That'll be quite hard to provide. AFAIK --by "as far", I mean I was just closing my google searches to learn about it-- sportsbet providers detect arbit bettor by crossreferencing their data with fellow bookies. I don't think it's something any provider would like to share freely without getting a backlash from their fellow bookies.

Although, I have to say that the burden of showing proof does fall to Betcoin.AG. OP shared their betting history --not a screenshot, though-- and one certain telltale of arbit betting was an unrounded number placed as a bet --$12.34, €72.19 as opposed to $12 or €75, for instance-- and although OP can intentionally rounded their number to hide the suspicion, it'll be nice if betcoin could give something more than what can basically summed to, "we're right, you're wrong. Our decision is final. Bye."

It is not ok to hire someone to write your content, especially something as important as a business proposal, just because you're not speaking English. There's this thing called translator. You wrote your content in your native language, and someone can simply translate them into English, or dozen other languages. Whitepaper translation are often part of a bounty campaign, just pointing it out to prove whitepaper translation is not something new and innovative from my mind. Saying you hired someone to wrote your business paper just because you didn't speak English is a very poor excuse. What's next? You "hired" someone to use their photo because you don't think you're attractive enough?

Thank you for moving the discussion here. Can you give a logical and plausible reason why you "hired someone" --giving you benefit of doubts that you indeed outsourcing instead of caught red handed-- and not assigning such crucial aspect to one of your team member?

Please address this concern on the given thread, so you can give your answer to the said accusation properly and people following the situation can get the update of the development of the case. And it is not as simple as "we hired a new writer group", you didn't take your whitepaper seriously, "hired a third party" to write your ideas, how should people trust your project?

Edit: was opening this thread prior to the dev posting their reply to the accusation thread, attending to some matter at home and posted this one above just now, hence missing the latest updated reply of dev's.

Oh wow, you do come extremely well prepared, don't you? Is this your habit? To document every single thing, including a random conversation about if certain feature is considered a bonus or not? You know, just in case someone asked if your account is banned due to an attempt to hide betting activity or abusing bonus and you need to provide proof of your innocence.


 

As a side note, I've been considering about posting this since yesterday for the sake of protecting OP's best interest, in concern that they'll voided OP's next installment --yes, as I've been contemplating about it since yesterday, it also means I am completely aware about a certain missing post-- but I think it won't be fair for other user of they didn't get forewarned of the possible risk they're facing upon signing up to wintomato, so...

I am leaving a negative tag as well, forcing your customer into NDA just in order for them to get what's rightfully theirs is not a good practice. If wintomato has nothing to hide and their allegation is true, then they won't force the NDA; it only proves that they wrongly accuses and ban player without plausible reason. Further, not sure if the real reason behind the unproven accusation is because they want to void the winning because they can't pay it or for other reason, but the fact that they need to install a payment amounted 29,000 USD certainly worth a caution, it could mean they're illiquid and possess some degree of possibility that future user will get their payment unfulfilled too.

Will change them to neutral tag when they paid in full, and will consider to remove the tag if they can provide plausible and concrete story behind this case.

And this prestigious statement is brought to us by... yourself? You crowned yourself as serious contender for crypto of the year --whichever crypto won such award this year?



I'll leave the part I chased before, the remmitance, for now and focused on this one. I would love to see the math and formula behind this statement. How long will it take exactly for such investment to reach 100%? And how does those number achieved in reference on the statement quoted above that those return were gained from the aforementioned 'high fee'.

You can start by informing Betcoin.AG's representative of the the issue so they will have a chance to attend to this case and give their side of story. But lemme take that part from you, just in case they set their inbox setting to reject message from newbie.

Edit: sent.

Wasn't what you offered basically already covered by, like... a lot of crypto out there, BUSD or USDT, for example. They offered same things, same --or even better-- transfer time, and... less fee. I'm not exactly sure how will this fee appealing, 5% for remittance is quite taxing, especially as your token is leaning toward remittance, not investment tools, which means they're designed to be used for transfer and then immediately converted to other currency.

I'll specifically quote this sentence for future reference.

As it is now known and made public that their account closure is on the same date of your request, it means we can summarize your activities as follows: you created aysugnr on an unspecified date, request account closure on 31 October --as per your reason you said here-- because you need to take a break, but in between 1 November and 19 November, you decided that the break is enough and you want to create hknays. Just for a mere assumption to give you the greatest benefit of doubt, I'll say you created hknays on 10 November, bet honestly for 9 days, and decided you had enough, requested account closure on 19 November, processed immediately, and then you yet again created snne on December 2 at the latest --proven by your earliest deposit shown on the screenshot here. Wouldn't you agree it's a bit questionable for someone to creating and closing accounts every two weeks?

You said you just want to take a break when you win and made profit, but later you said you usually lost (on the accounts you've closed) and that's why they can't confiscate any fund. But allow me to quote SB's statement which probably made after looking at your database,


Lastly, you claimed you never use any bonuses and your account closure was not due to attempts to hide bets, but when I re-read several things here to be sure there's nothing we missed, I found this



We'll entering an unfamiliar territory for me here, so I'd appreciate if anyone can clarify if I see this correctly or not, I am not well versed on sportsbetting terms, but if I look at the definition of boosted bet here, they defined odd boost as:


It sounds like a bonus for me. But aren't you never uses any bonus on your accounts?

Let's see if I can make you get the situation here. You had several accounts which you denied their existence on the first place and only admitting it after they straightforwardly mentioned the names, this is understandably cast a huge doubt on your credibility. They've deemed this case closed, and your complain would as much turned to deaf ear.

The thing you can do right now is to raise an appeal to the community on this forum, prove that you're wrongly accused, and hope that sportsbet respected the forum and reopened your case for review. But so far, you've proven nothing other than repetitively stating that you didn't take any bonus, my long post of the inconsistencies of your statements are even only partially --and vaguely-- clarified, you hadn't provide the proof that I've asked several times: the proof of time gap between each of your accounts.

Let me try to break it down even further like I explaining to a third grader why this is quite important. On SB point of view, and as far as whoever read this thread understand, you created multi acc which violated their ToS. You argued back that the accounts are not active simultaneously, you've closed each of those account before opening a new one, which means you didn't have multi account and SB's accusation is invalid. But as I've pointed out --and marked in blue-- on previous post, you also agreed that they have the right to confiscate your fund if they suspected you registered multiple accounts in attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass their trading limit.

You stated that the reason why you opened and closed accounts are because you need a break after winning, but --again, as I've pointed out-- your statements during this entire case keeps contradicting each other, add that to the fact on your email screenshot that the date between those accounts are extremely close, it is very justified for anyone to think and suspected that there's another, more dubious, reason why you keep opening and closing accounts. You argued that those date didn't reflect on the real timespan between each account because it took a very long time for them to process account closure --oops, sorry, I was meaning to say "closing intervals for your 3 accounts are not very short"-- but you never give any concrete evidence to back up this claim, and I've asked you repetitively. If any, you just cast a bigger doubt on everyone's mind.

Let me try to break it down yet again, in a "flowchart".

You want them to give proof that you're wrongly accused? You'll want them to reopened your case. But how exactly do they reopen a case they considered closed? You'll need them to reconsider the case. And how exactly will they reconsider your case? Unfortunatelly, you can only hope they respected the forum's request and looked at your case again. So, up to this point, simplified, who you need to convince right now are the forum, i.e. the people reading this thread. You still following me? Good. So how exactly do you make the forum to do that? Well, sweetheart, this forum, especially people "overseeing" this sub-board are very fair and neutral. They judge everything by facts and data, evidences. If you've provide an undisputed evidences that you're the right side here, they won't be reluctant to support you. So what you need is to provide evidences instead of throwing tantrums and baseless statements.

Tl;dr: give your evidences.