Allow me to complete that post you quoted and pointed out another thing regarding address signing, as below:

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If you came across the thread [which you did] and read them before posting either there or here, you'll also have a knowledge that your second proposal is impossible. I posted on that thread that he doesn't have any address on record and that JeromeTash had to go to unconventional way to dug their old address, and that's from waayy past the timeframe you suggested, three years due to that excuse [read above, the complete reason is well quoted]



Signing a wallet that fits your criteria [used in a campaign in the last 2-3 years] will be a walk in a park as that wallet will be the one he created just earlier this month and surely is in his possession, and it proves nothing, no ties of the ownership with whoever hold the account prior to it waking up.

Wait... you're not joking?

Though it's a quite likely possibility, wouldn't you agree that if this is what happened, then this thread will be filled with people saying they're lucky they've move all of their funds to other casino one week ago or last month, or that they knew that it's coming so they've withdrawn everything, things that goes along the line? But no one said these too.

The lack of complain also befuddled me, but if I have to throw my wild guess, I think most people here are waiting for their good news, still having a good faith that betnomi will return so they don't want to raise their accusation before they have something concrete or more signs pointing south.

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edit: I am still not sure if this user is being serious or not with his post yesterday, but I just peeked at CG and found a complaint raised about 16 hours ago with similar amount to what he claimed. If that's him on CG, then there's the first case against betnomi regarding their current situation.

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edit 2: taking a pause to give it another thought from different perspective, there's also a possibility that the complaint is not real and that the user is taking advantage of the current situation. On that other thread where he posted his lost, a competitor was offering [now deleted for whatever reason, that post was also made and removed on this thread too] a consolation bonus for anyone on their platform. I think we should consider a possibility that the user made a bet that betnomi won't join and resolve the situation at CG given their current situation on this forum, thus got it ruled against them and favoring him, and thus he can use that to claim that [now deleted] bonus on neighboring platform.

Aaaannnddd... here come the promotions that will make spam. Though I am not sure at this point, especially with that smiley, if you're being sarcastic, joking, or attempting to be an amateur fraudster. Whatever that is, I suggest you to refrain from it.

If you still want to pursue this from their end, I'd suggest you tell them to deduct it from your current balance, that you're more than happy to get paid with Earning-After-Taxes [EAT], see what they'll responded.


Fair warning, they might will refuse to do so if they deemed your case is not strong enough.

OKX [or OKEX] is an exchange, not a mixer. The wallet in reference, Tm1z...wx9r is their hotwallet.

The post you referred to was experimenting on the "mixer" theory in a sense that someone deposited funds to the hot wallet and "mix" it through internal transfer prior to being sent to the destination address, thus [in a strict sense of what a mixer do] obscuring the fund's origin because when someone check the inbound address from the recipient side it'll show the amount is coming from a hot wallet, or if they check from the sender's side, it'll show the fund was transferred to a hot wallet. Nonetheless, OKX will still keep a record of whose address sent what amount to their hot wallet, and this is what Potato Chips proposes to you.

Given that the address is proven to be OKX's, you can probably send an appeal to them to freeze the account. Though [also what Potato Chips proposed] the ID used for verification on that account won't necessarily be the true ID of the scammers as there are a lot of way to fake credentials.

That thought came to my mind when I read this thread and learned that there is a clone scam site, but I think given OP wrote the address on the title [*.io instead of *.cn.com] we can safely assume he did accessed the "correct" one. Otherwise he'll wrote something like *.com or simply iceriver without any extensions.

LMAO. I actually tried my best to give him a benefits of doubt. Who knows, maybe his statement is true that he's not the one locking the thread and he was intending to post a signed message before it got locked for whatever reason. Well, this is his chance.

I have to say his window is rapidly closing, though. He's online by the time our posts were made, and he still gone silent.

Though there are handful of reviews on the search engine stating that this platform is indeed a scam, I think there's no harm in making sure all grounds are covered. OP, are you from the following countries, and have you got any airway bill from either of the shipping companies they listed:

Regardless of who locked the topic, as you're here, can you perhaps clarify the issue and prove your statement as suggested by many on the other thread; by signing a message from your old wallet? JT had made a huge length of effort providing it for us, I think either one of them is OK.

Ok, so, first we went into normal and the conventional paragraphed posts, and then you talk on points of which I replied in exact correspondence for each point you proposed, and then from the 4 points, there are 9 now, of which I can't surely tell what point is related to what, so I'll make it easy and resort to just replying you in general.

About Stake, well, now you know that I am not related to Stake. You misunderstand inquiry for details backed by proofs and being a saviour. And for the nth times, I am not interested on knowing how they cheated bets with hash etc. in theory or in calculation. I came from your thread about the claim where they use motion sensors to manipulate bets, and for this time being, I am strictly interested to get to the bottom of that, I appreciate if you can answer in details the basis of your accusation while its been explained on the other thread that the motion sensors are probably meant for the mobile users and/or used to determine if the visitor is a bot or human.


I didn't check your youtube video as I am strongly believe it's about those hash etc. again, while I've made clear which part I am being curios about. Clarify that situation and I might ventured into other aspect you proposed. As for why I am not replying the part about curacao because I am not sure if I misunderstood your question or you're not familiar with Curacao licensing system and would prefer to see it as a gibberish until you provide more context. Of which you did, although still vaguely.

If I may assume you're asking why they, a billion dollars worth company, choose to have curacao gambling license instead of having on their own, well I am not their shareholders and decision maker [I am sure that point is well established at this point?] so I can't be certain why they did that, but if I may give my honest opinion, it's the same reason why other companies also have their license in Curacao. It's easy, govt. didn't make it too complicated, and yet it's quite reliable and trusted by many.

If you pull an assumption that just because they're a Serbian-owned or Australian-owned or Russian-owned or whereverelse-owned and they choose to have a curacao license instead of their own country translates into a shady and a scam practice, then by all means, please make a scam accusations against hundreds of platforms existed. I believe more than half of the platforms on this forum do the same thing. I am honestly interested to see you try to do that and will likely try to allocate my time to read each of your thread from the hundred of it.

Last, Eddie's father... my first reaction when reading it was, "excuse me, what?" you're seriously asking me to judge someone I barely know solely based from his father's reputation, of whom I also barely know? I think I'll decline, I am not that judgmental, thank you. One's reputation are not solely and entirely based on their parents' trait. What I can comment on this matter though, is that if we take a look at your thread title, "Family [...] Business", may I suggest you to take a short course, while you're travelling, about "family business". I am not sure about their company's structure, or if that's even a family business at all, but if I take your word for it, I'd suggest you to take a deeper understanding about family business as it has so many branches.

Being labelled as a family business --and I assume you wrote this label based on a concrete proof and undestanding and perhaps legal back up instead of a pure speculation and hate-biased speech?-- does not necessarily means it is run by the family and strictly followed the family's rule and decision, especially on huge corporation. I'll suggest you to focus on the "family-owned business", in the sub-branches that it has, and enrich it with a branch called "family-influenced business". They're all should be available and covered in details in various text books of bachelor-level degree of Business Management major.

For everybody's reference, Razer --and through him, Rollbit-- did not just letting it happen. As explained here on the ANN and repeated on your scam accusation thread, the decision was made and taken by the sportsbook provider. As for why the bets on Pinnacle wasn't not voided while bets on that sportsbook did, well that's what we're trying to figure out, but the decision was not made by Rollbit and I don't think there's much that Rollbit can do. Let's keep the discussion on that board so we can stay focused and easily track the development, ok?

1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.

I am somewhat sure you misunderstood what I asked. I am not asking about the hash and thing, I am asking about your claim that they utilize motion sensor to cheat their users, how do they do it? Far as I know, motion sensors are used to well, detect motion, as in enhancing UX by reading their mobile device's orientation, as pointed by Tabas and I on the other thread, as well as what's being explained by ChatGPT,

OP has created an accusation thread, here, this piece of information has well been pointed out by Slow death on post #5 and repeated by Beparanf on post #7.

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OP, there's no need to create multiple threads [I understand this one is moved from Gambling section to Scam Accusations, but still] as it'll confuses anyone following the development of the case by having to go back and forth between threads to keep themselves updated with the development of the case. I'll try PMing their representative to revisit your other thread. Though their last online date was ten days ago, they'll still bound to get online and hopefully notice my PM. Meanwhile, please lock this one immediately so all of us can stay focused in one thread.

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For added context for anyone curious, BC.GAME had replied on the other thread as follows:


of which until this day, OP's attempt to get in touch --according to OP's latest reply-- bears no fruit. Let's see if we can sort this one out once BC.GAME come back online.

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Edit: PM sent

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?

I'll take this as your answer for point number 5 and 6, so here's the complete reply for point 4, 5, and 6.

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4. Ahh... so your gold reservoir are intended to... create a new... floor when a dump happen? And the stability here, who has the power to say, "this is the new price stability"? Who decide how many gold in reservoir to be sold to stabilize the price? Pretty much centralized, don't you agree? Further, how exactly should the holders feel their investment is secure with this concept? When the price plummeted, all you'll do is creating a new floor, the sum of fund they invested during the previous price --presumably not even ATH-- will have a good chance of being unrecovered. They'll have to wait, maybe good long years for the price to crawl back, or perhaps stopped climbing back up as people losing faith or got frustrated because the price is "stabilized" but their wealth depreciated greatly?

As for the case where you reinstate the price, how could it be impossible? Have you not considered a scenario of FUD-fueled dump? Especially as the FUDder knows your concept offers a promise where the price will go several points up. They buy, they dump, they create FUD, they buy some at certain low, create another FUD that drives the price lower, and you kicked in to "stabilize" the price, or even better, reinstate to its former price, and the cycle restarted.

5 and 6. [which answer was as quoted on the early part of this post] At this point, I feel like your answer started to became evasive. First, how could not a single of my argument relate to your project while all I asked is about the details of them? The plan for credit card is not related while it's on your whitepaper? The topic about scenario of possible dump is not related while it's a very possible situation of crypto? I don't understand where you got that idea. I can understand if you said that as a defensive basis of your evasiveness, though. Also, I can't help but think how hard is it to point out the exact video [you posted 10 videos of varying length so far] and the time if you're inclined to help me understand? Unless... you don't have it.

So, against my better judgment of spending my time at other things, as well as to prove myself wrong, I spent around one and a half hour listening to your videos, none are skipped, only set to 1.75 speed with pauses at some intervals to wrote a note about your explanation. The videos I watched are as follows:

1. 🔥Global Reserve Coin: The Ultimate Gold-Backed Cryptocurrency! 💰 Secure Investment & Game Changer 🚀
2. The Power of GRC: Marketing Strategies, Bitcoin Comparison & Building a Thriving Community! 🔥
3. (GRC) LIVE STREAM: Why It's a Game Changer 🔥 | Latest Updates & Promotions 🚀

The answer for my question, credit card and bank, can be found at video number 1, at around 29:35, where you explained your roadmap and got to the credit card milestone, of which your explanation was, and I'm doing everybody here a favor by saving their time by transcribing it for them, as below

"Global Reserve Coin credit card for crypto integration, at the moment, it's not possible just because there is a really strict government regulations and if we don't follow it or whatever happens if we like to push our own narrative, umm... even the sanctions, you know, stuff like that, like if I issue a credit card, people can't use it in Russia so I don't believe that's fair or in other countries as well because of the sanctions and stuff like that. So in the future, and I believe that's going to be very soon, when there's going to be a new world order, whatever you want to call it. Possibly opening a global bank again in the near future, but that's my belief in the bank where you, like, back in the days you can walk in, you can exchange GRC for gold or for whatever currency you want."

So, it'll be actualized when new world order come? Which you believe is going to be very soon, but for all we know can probably happen in decades to come? Where's this great details you're telling me? Am I watching wrong video? For the sake of giving you benefit of doubts, though, I'd ask you again to provide me the link to that video of explained in great details, because from what I watched, with the only explanation was "in the future" and "in the near future" it's rather ambiguous, perhaps even unclear. And that lead us to my sidenote on previous post,


I also find so many contradicting and questionable statements on your videos, and that's only from three that I watched. But let's limit the discussion to the points above and clear them before moving on others that's kept on my note. Thank you.

Hi, thank you for accepting my invitation and promptly [re]addressing the issue here once notified. I am not sure if I've asked this on the ANN thread before, I understand that the one voided OP's bets is the sportsbook provider --and not you-- and thus your hand are kinda tied on this matter. If you could help OP and the community understand better, though, can you please tell us to the best of your knowledge --or perhaps even better, an explanation from your provider themselves-- why the bets are marked as incorrect while the odds are not varied too differently --thus, incorrect-- with the one on Pinnacle as on OP's screenshot, or with the ones listed by Poika5 above?

Temporarily freezing withdrawal can be for several reason, but for this one it's quite likely, IMO, that your betting history were under review by the betting provider to check for any abuse or something else. If this is the case, there's nothing Rollbit can do but to wait for the conducted analysis to be completed [by the game provider, not by Rollbit] and when they give a go, your fund got processed.

As this matter is solved, you might want to lock this thread and marked it as solved by editing the thread title and add the "solved" word. The button to lock a thread is at the bottom left of the page.

I assume correctly this account is owned by the same as thread poster, cryptogeniusdice? If you happen to be different people and you just here to pitch in your findings and curious about those sensor, I'd advise you read OP's other thread where some possible explanation has been laid out by couple of members.

Meanwhile, as for your own article, I took a quick read at it and it was about a partnership with a marketing company? May I know what you tried to propose here? I don't think cooperating with a marketing team is something illegal? Unless I am wrong and there's something fishy about Optimove? Please divulge more.