Quote from: Otoh on Today at 22:59:28Quote from: paraipan on Today at 22:52:17
Quote from: Otoh on Today at 22:50:59Quote from: paraipan on Today at 22:23:00 Hi, sorry to bother, i will send you a copy of the complaint on bitcoinica where my name and last name is stated as promised. My email is redacted@gmail.com, what is yours, i will not use the forum messaging for this. Do you have an OTC market profile or just the forum account. my otc is http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paraipan Waiting for your response, thanks Hi, my email is otoh@hushmail.com
nope as yet I haven't made an OTC market profile
Thanks, Otohok got it, anything else you may have to check on your reputation ? you can check mine at http://paraipan.myopenid.com I don't care to disclose any info, the offer to provide an unredacted copy of your denuncia came from you, so if you do so or not is up to you also, I shall check out if this document is filed publicly & if so I shall request a copy of the original
Cheers, OtohOk, i'm not convinced really, you put up a while ago a SR account for sale, just checked up you post history, and give me a hushmail email. I will send you a redacted copy where my names and last name show up only.  Otoh
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received the dollar from ZT for the new account that I set up for Hannah, many thanks  PS ~ could I have $1 too pse, I could use all the help that I can get right now  Bitcoinica ID: Richardlogo  |
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yep same, just the once & very happy with them too |
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I have lived in Spain a long time & if I can be bothered then in the interests of openness & full disclosure that the OP seems so keen on I shall ask my contacts here if what I suspect is true, that denuncias are documents in the public domain & so one can request a copy of them without the OP's redactions & I will then happily post it here, 2 of my contacts are female black belt lawyers  edit: copy would be requested through intermediaries  i will happily provide you an unedited copy, no need to contact third parties for that. "Denuncia", complaint can be made public if the complainer choses too, guarding his privacy. sure that makes it simpler, please to PM me one or a link to it, I may look in to what freedom of information pertains to denucias in any case now that I've got curious about it so that I can be sure of it |
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I have lived in Spain a long time & if I can be bothered then in the interests of openness & full disclosure that the OP seems so keen on I shall ask my contacts here if what I suspect is true, that denuncias are documents in the public domain & so one can request a copy of them without the OP's redactions & I will then happily post it here, 2 of my contacts are female black belt lawyers edit: copy would be requested through intermediaries |
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I think it's an impressive achievement that Bitcoin has gone this far. I definitely do. But I wouldn't call it amazing, there are only 8.35 million bitcoins in circulation (of which some are lost forever) so a price of $4.25 is not as impressive as it seems at first. That is a market cap of 35 million dollars and in the grand scheme of things that amount is pocket money.
Bitcoin is still a small niche but even as a niche it seems to be growing and becoming more usable. Slowly, but surely. Something is amazing and that is what potential it has. Bitcoin can grow to be a very significant tool for international money transfers, it is perfect for gambling and any type of virtual gaming markets. Competitive gaming with money prizes is fairly common these days as well and that is Bitcoin's territory.
The list goes on, how about the porn industry? Restaurant delivery businesses? Paying at a POS with your mobile phone at any place? We already have great apps such as BitcoinSpinner and these have been developed with basically NO MONEY. What Bitcoin has already accomplished with very little monetary investment is absolutely profound. If and when investors start to invest more into Bitcoin companies, everything could change.
On top of this Bitcoin is actually a good store of value, eventually. This is not true yet because the market is too shallow but maybe in 5 years Bitcoin could be more stable. There is still a long way to go for primarily one reason, people simply don't put faith in a currency that they don't understand. Many people think that Bitcoin is either a scam or otherwise "crazy" and that it makes no sense. It takes a lot of time for this to change.
Imagine if the "gold bugs" actually understood Bitcoin, we would see a lot more people putting long term savings into Bitcoin. I know there are some gold bugs that do and I like gold myself but the truth is that Bitcoin is too weird for most gold bugs who are very conservative in some ways.
Okay, rant finished. Bottom line is that a market cap of 35 million is a sane one if you look at what Bitcoin is today but very little of the potential is priced in at the moment. Once Bitcoin starts to make more progress in fulfilling its potential, the market cap will be over a billion dollars. It will take a while to get there though, we have a long and bumpy road ahead of us.
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there's a million scam sites around the world & even when people have been scammed local police in other jurisdictions care little & can do even less about it, here's this dude thinks he spots a dodgy website where actually to date no-one has been ripped off & files a local bit of bureaucratic toilet paper about it, the site isn't in Spain - it's not even in Spanish, the OP is a joke & more interest would actually be paid to it by the authorities here if it was his lost dog, ego tripping shit stirrer or hidden agenda - it's all a gnat's fart in the tramentana
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are there any others who would like to join before I send out the first email today?
yep, I'm impressed with this particular chartologie & reasoning behind it, I'm in, PMing you now & if you didn't wish to be bothered with setting up multiple BTC payment addresses then peeps could just PM or email you a Mt.Gox BTC code per month cheers, Otoh |
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it's not even close to an accurate description of what Bitcoinica does or claims to do, the denuncia states that they are soliciting investments for a fund that which will be invested in highly speculative way that they will then use to pay elevated rates of interest, Bitcoinica does not do this - it's not a fund, an investment, doesn't promise high returns or any at all for that matter - the person who wrote this is either a moron or just doesn't have a clue, maybe both
I could go in to the local cop shop & fill out a similar form, though in most jurisdictions I would actually have had to have lost some money first, the result would be identical anywhere in the world - yep, yet another one to file in the looney bin
edit: I suppose with the swaps there is some offer now of a return for funds deposited which I guess is what this is based upon so that may be of relevance, also the complaint says that no ID information is gathered from those participating, looks like an oblique attack on the whole Bitcoin concept imo, but aimed at Bitcoinica rather than Bitcoins itself
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lol, it's a dununcia - anyone can file these & they go nowhere 99% of the time, it means I'm upset about something I saw on the Internets so it must be banned - actually it says I wish to bring this matter to the attention of the authorities, it says there's some site on the web that's only in English not Spanish & though I've not lost any money on it I think that others may do so in the future so please check it out, Spain isn't the Generalísimo of the Internets or for that matter have any jurisdiction in Singapore, Delaware, or 99% of the rest of the world since they lost their colonial rapespoils, it's a total red herring ego trip FUD
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indeed, in life too, every time I've been up 100% or more, especially if it's over a short time period, or made a substantial amount of money from a large investment moving even a relatively small amount in my favor and I didn't cash it out & take a breather then I've always regretted it & sometimes by letting it ride or doubling it up have blown the lot & more, it took many hard lessons to train myself that 100% or a good pay off is sweet & more though tempting is usually just greedy foolishness
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having made about 30% on a single move & that at 2.5:1 or 5:1 = 75% or 150% then rather than being a pig headed slave to any system I take the chips off the table or at least in the 5:1 scenario I pocket my original stake & play high or low maybe at even greater leverage with what is now free money
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yep hourly, it's on the cusp atm, neck & neck  |
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& we have crossover  |
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how about after this cathartic learning experience you also change your martyr forum ID: guywhogotgoxed
to: guywhogotrapedforeternitybyspeculators
victim syndrome or what
PS - don't lock ur $ up, especially in volatile markets, if ur going to need them at short notice - lesson learned, move on
& as previous poster, I'm down atm probably about 100 times what you are & I blame no one & it's what I risk managed
for better or worse - just happens to be seems worse atm
Ill promise to blame you for whatever reason I happen to lose money again. I'd be honored as people mostly only learn through their mistakes the hard way & so evolution would be served, though it needn't be this way if you took full responsibility for every single aspect of your reality instead of seeming to serially find some boggy man to blame for your screw ups, then compounded by rage at the system - anyway wishing you all the best as it is all for the best 7 always was ffs - Jessie alarm bear just kicked in @ $4.50, bloody ironic gods of Fortuna ftfw wise master, I am subordinate to you and will probably never reach the level of wisdom you have acquired. now go fuck yourself too, random ass wise guy |
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3 Months I kept my cash sitting in Gox waiting for this. 3 fricking months. I pulled it out last Friday. Now I gotta move it back. How does it know!?!
why did you pull it out? that's what she said |
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how about after this cathartic learning experience you also change your martyr forum ID: guywhogotgoxed
to: guywhogotrapedforeternitybyspeculators
victim syndrome or what
PS - don't lock ur $ up, especially in volatile markets, if ur going to need them at short notice - lesson learned, move on
& as previous poster, I'm down atm probably about 100 times what you are & I blame no one & it's what I risk managed
for better or worse - just happens to be seems worse atm
Ill promise to blame you for whatever reason I happen to lose money again. I'd be honored as people mostly only learn through their mistakes the hard way & so evolution would be served, though it needn't be this way if you took full responsibility for every single aspect of your reality instead of seeming to serially find some boggy man to blame for your screw ups, then compounded by rage at the system - anyway wishing you all the best as it is all for the best 7 always was ffs - Jessie alarm bear just kicked in @ $4.50, bloody ironic gods of Fortuna ftfw |
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