Many thanks to you both, I'm picking up very positive vibes that the universe or whatever wants this to go ahead & enabling Gavin's BTC NPO seems the ideal way to do it, I read Mageant's post with much interest & will later check out the full thread that he referenced

In other news on the way to dinner with my best friend I met up with the friend who knows E longtime, these 2 are actually neighbors & he just happened to be out by the road, so I stopped to chat & for a couple of beers & he's well in to the concept of Bitcoin & it's possibilities, he's French & strongly of the 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité' school of thought, is a life long trade union head, is strongly behind the Arab Spring movement & believes it is the inevitable result of new tech like the Internets & mobile coms, he's perfectly happy that I use his name when applying to E for funding & this will make a big difference I'm sure to how it's received as it's from not just someone local but a friend of someone E really likes, my friend said he'd send me another contact email address for the foundation that's more local to me here, it's centralized elsewhere atm so I'll see, his info may be out of date if there's still an office here, but if so then that would be a much better way to approach it, in any case the application will now for sure stand out from the crowd of worthy causes & definitely be refereed to E rather than been just dealt with by E's NPO's board

& just as a side note that I mostly put here to remind myself, I intuitively think the Bitcoin concept & it's potential benefits may be especially relevant or applicable/beneficial to the African continent, where E supports a load of charitable initiatives - building hospitals, schools, orphanages, refuges etc - so if anyone had any proposals of how to blend a project that was good for BTC & also something Africa related then I'd be very grateful to hear any input on that or brain storming, it may be a good way to get E's & the foundation's initial interest & funding

Thanks again & if this seems to be moving forward to something more than just throwing an idea out there in a speculative manner to see what may happen, then I would be more than happy for this thread to be moved to a more appropriate section, Bitcoin forum, maybe development, which ever - I haven't explored so much to know which would be best for this at this stage

Just checked out E's foundation & it's awarded about $40M in total over the last 10 years or so to projects in nearly 70 different countries worldwide, the application process is quite formal, not surprisingly & geared towards non-profit organizations only as the foundation is a non-profit, so it would be best to set one of those up before applying & do it properly with the aims of the BTC NPO clearly stated, the benefits of various projects - just one per application I imagine & best to start with one clear & achievable one, the funding required, the time & geographical frame

So suggestions for the first project, it doesn't have to be the most important for BTC but more perhaps of a hook to get the foundation's initial interest & support, they are willing to make bets on visionary or risky projects which certainly sounds like Bitcoin to me

The bad news, new applications for grants are closed atm, I shall keep an eye out for when a new funding window opens (a bit like pirate@40's FPT&S) - this though gives time to set up an official BTC NPO or maybe the developers already have one, or an unofficial one for any particular project that I/the consensus here believe would appeal - so please state your interest in being part of this & what you'd bring to the table, it would have to be official & all legal & stuff so rl IDs needed etc, E's NPO requires verifiable official paperwork - it also prefers 2 years of certified accounts but will accept newly formed ones too, another question would be which country to form it in & I'd imagine the States but would welcome suggestions & obviously any grants awarded would have to be accounted for rigorously in their spending so references may be required to be exchanged amongst everyone involved to make sure of trust & liability for misuse, a bank account would be needed to receive the funds unless E does what happened to my friend here & just says yep, I like it, pop round & see my peeps - there's an envelope waiting for you

The other way to do this is informally & not directly though the foundation, but I think that the formal approach to show serious intent & professionalism is needed, I do know of one person who was helped via a direct approach though that was more charity than the type of funding BTC projects are looking for

I'm going out now to play & dinner after, so will be afk for a few hours & maybe not fully on my game after, but would welcome any suggestions re this, many thanks

fantastic, many thanks! I've been waiting forever for a friend to have the time to set up free hosting with email for the domain I got for my best friend - now I can just do it myself & learn how to in the process, once mastered I may move my waveaddict fan site to there but prob not without his permission & certainly not the sending payments part without that or at least it would be inactive for that until or if he decided to take it over

hope to add the feedback/testimonials from this thread to my site soon & it would be cool if the list of updates & charts sent out was mirrored to password protected pages that actually display them so one could open individually or the whole series for review etc

also I'll put up the subscriber's forum names who are public here as they obviously don't mind, though I haven't even had a chance to read the last newsletter as yet

hmmm, perhaps I won't after all make this pitch  , many thanks to all those who gave constructive feedback, I shall add some more replies later - I was also just thinking that the BTC  100 charity effort may be a way to go, offer to add Bitcoin charity support via E's foundation to some of E's favorite & sometimes niche charitable ventures if they were to accept them & that would be bound to get E's interest in what Bitcoin was

this makes sense, but E is very hands offs I believe in running things so I doubt that my my friend's son has much if hardly any contact, he's fairly young & isn't the boss of it but I shall ask him & also tell him about Bitcoins, as for my friend I shall do the same but again they move in such different worlds that there is little contact between them - in the past they used to hang out & my best friend really used to know E well, unfortunately they had a terminal falling out so that road is closed, I've been trying to get him (my best friend) interested in coins as I think that the peeps he does business with, international art dealers, would be able to really benefit from it but his reaction to a virtual crypto currency is "& then poof! it's gone" - I told him it's 'the art of money' (Satoshi being the maestro artist who created it) which he liked, unfortunately that was just before the Linode hax so yep he wasn't wrong about how it can just go poof if you're not totally careful in handling it & tech savvy & it even happens to those that are & repeatedly too, though of course anything that isn't sufficiently well secured & looked after can be subject to theft or loss through carelessness so Bitcoin isn't alone in that regard

As Bitcoins is the currency of The Silk Road where those further down the narco food chain hang out & as they are constantly innovating to stay ahead of the curve re bizness & survival then I'm sure that it's on their radar screens, I bet it would cause some jaw dropping losses of coins as Carlos after a line too many accidentally wipes the wallet dat for equivalent of a shipment or 2, the logistical hurdle for them is probably how to move the coins in & out of cash as exchanges tend to want to KYC for such large sums, but then there is the convenience factor as opposed to say moving & storing room fulls of fiat to take in to account on the plus side for them, those lawless Ruskies are at the world number 3 spot for BTC interest I note



a typical room full of fiat



https://imgur.com/a/VENE3vf

a typical pen drive full of the same amount of coins

apology accepted, I posted in the Speculation thread as it's mostly where I hang out & didn't want to make a big deal of this by posting it on the main Bitcoin forum where I expect it would attract even more pathetic fucktard comments like adamstgBit's

exactly & exactly why I made this thread, for input on that & not to troll the Nigerian prince OMG someone may be about to drop $1M on this penny stock BS as ineededausername seemed to think

& also why I hope to move this forward in rl too, initial feedback is disappointing but if I feel it may be worthwhile I do it without any np

yep, that would need WA's go ahead on though, plus I'd have to see what was possible on the free site, it's learning by doing for me, lol - I don't even know what "php" is, but Google's my friend & it seems that I have way too much time on my hands atm maybe - though that can & often does change overnight 

I am sorry for the reception this has got, the topic is not a troll & the chances of E even being interested are I imagine very slim (none of my friends for instance that I have tried to sell on BTC have been persuaded, even the one's that I advised strongly to get in to gold in early 2007 - pre housing derivatives crash, which I also told them was imminent), but everything I have said is true & I was thinking of what good may be done for Bitcoins's development if a VHNW individual took an early & sympathetic interest

there are plenty of open source efforts well worth funding & developing, ie Armory wallet, if someone with those type of funds had my level of interest it would be both beneficial to the Bitcoin concept as a whole as to them personally for investing in related start ups etc - I was also recalling a thread on how best to support Bitcoin if you had $x00,000 or $1M - there were some very constructive ideas on what one could do there, ie - for one: stable exchange rate held for 1 year plus say by bid ask walls of $1M/BTC anywhere you choose to plant it, great for merchants & an eye opener for the media, getting legal precedents set in important jurisdictions re Bitcoins status & tons more...

I said that this person works for the greater good & not personal gain so you are totally incorrect, if E was in to this it would be first off for Bitcoin as a whole because of wishing to support it, if E found personal financial uses for BTC then that prob would also be good for BTC, E is not a shark as you seem to assume all wealthy peeps are & would be well aware of the consequences of destabilizing the market by excessive buys - did you even read my OP?

I made a little prototype free web page of how I thought a waveaddict site may work, I sent the UN/PW for it to WA to take over if he wished to run with it until he got his set up, hopefully I've not got anything too wrong on it, I thought it may be handy to put in his forum sig or for others to use, but as I've had no feedback from him on it I guess that it doesn't appeal, anyway as he also hasn't voiced any objections to it from a couple of days ago I feel that I may as well post it here for feedback & to see if it's of any interest/use - note: it is an unofficial site, like a fan site say, whilst the info I believe is correct it is solely my unsolisited creation & nothing to do with waveaddict, though the content is mostly copied from his posts & newsletters of course - I will delete it the instant he says he'd rather it was gone

waveaddict's bitcoin charting subscription service ~ an unofficial fan site by Otoh

would it be a good idea to try & get a Billionaire interested in Bitcoins at this stage?

I would much appreciate feedback on this & if you think that it would be then how would you suggest I approach this person, who I shall call E, I can pretty much be sure that E will read a brief proposal & maybe links to a more in-depth one, here's some background on E

E is someone I admire greatly, creative, fun, open minded, very very generous with an active philanthropic foundation that supports many varied worthy causes & projects - such as medical research, human rights, female empowerment, the arts, child & animal charities, ecological products & issues, construction, to the tune of about $40M over around the last 10 years in nearly 70 different countries worldwide & also has contributed to projects in the arts/women in my local area related of a good friend of mine who I persuaded to contact E's foundation & ask for help with funding what she was doing (my friend's husband was very grateful to me, as in "do you know how much you've just saved me per year?" - it was in the 5 figures)

E lives & works in the US & a couple of countries in the EU mostly & plenty of work too - not just a philanthropist

I am a long time neighbor of E & while not knowing E personally (I have though met & been to one of E's functions) I am good friends with at least one of E's buddies (though they don't hang out together nowadays, though are close - E came to his 50th BD party etc) whose house/s E bought at a good price so he could buy an amazing deal/property nearby & who's son (E's godchild) works full time now for E at an ecological production unit that E started under 5 years ago with an initial investment of some $15M - I organized with my friend's son a private group tour of the facilities & it's impeccable, everyone was very impressed with it

I have also witnessed, by chance, anonymous incredible generosity from this person that probably no one else who even knows E actually knows anything about at all

If E does choose to support something new then generally prefers to do that as a lump sum in to some project rather than as an ongoing commitment, though has contributed regularly to my friend's bi-annual arts/women projects

I obviously have no idea if E will have the slightest interest in Bitcoin or if interested what E may choose to do, E lead quite a rebellious bohemian life when younger so I'm thinking it may appeal & as a very high net worth individual may see personal advantages to it, E uses cash a lot - the donations to my friend's project are in cash (at least the first one was, I haven't asked how subsequent ones were given), on the other hand E may be quite indifferent to it, E may find it of interest that instead of being approached for funding here for once someone may be offering an opportunity to make money whist hopefully doing something that may be of long term benefit to Bitcoin

I shall ask my friend if I can use his name when sending my proposal, I'm sure that it would be fine - in fact even if I didn't ask him it wouldn't be any big deal for him - but as his son now works for E it is only right that I run it by him first

So, feedback, brief initial proposal ideas, deeper linked info, proposals of what E could contribute to Bitcoins if liking the concept wished to see it grow & support it & how E might benefit in various ways by doing so or at least not be out of pocket - or that the good done was worth the expenditure which would be E's main motivation I'm sure

I shall probably take my time with this as I'd like to get it right, it's a one shot deal I imagine, though I can be quite impulsive & just say screw it - let's do it & send it off when I feel that it's hot enough to be worth a crack at & to continue tweaking & faffing around may mean a lost op

this is a dynamic post in that I shall edit it to fill in the bits where I've just left ***s atm & need to look up or check - plus adding to it anything else that comes to mind re this later & correct typos & stuff as I haven't read it back tho even, as other stuff to get in to ~ partying etc.  

posting this early stages idea (though I've had it for a while) here in Speculation, if & when it's ready to propose to E then I shall start a post on it in the main Bitcoin forum unless peeps think that it would be better off just continuing here with this initial one

O_O <3 supprizes

Is there no software that you could program to wipe all data if either re-opened or tampered with in any way before the due release date for the data on it or does it have to be some physical? I like your micro-controller with burnt in private key & timer though, you should patent it & what's the min power requirement, could it be set up for solar, I have a compass that's light has being going for years with some safe (hopefully) radioactive element to it, but also might be an addvantage for it to need power as if you choose to extend the release date then you just unpower it for however long you wish to have extra added on as you say, but no way to speed it up - I'd go for one of those np  

edit: sry - don't know how I missed that when you gave all the power needed detail, a battery per year seems fine or wire it into a plug for another item or something that runs from the mains but with battery back up, like the alarm system inside your safe

I don't know when but one day there will be a mega news announcement, a big company integrating Bitcoins in some manner with their operations, it will be all over financial & later the main stream news, speculators will pile in, the price will double or more, so more main steam news, the public will start speculating, lots of progress will have been made for simplicity, security & mobile use & most importantly of all it will catch nearly everyone off guard & no chart could predict the first time this happens, maybe when it starts to happen regularly but the first big jump that's based on a real life event will be a black swan suddenly soaring up in to the heavens  

so always keep a nice % only long whatever & don't short what you can't afford to lose, especially if you use leverage & it may well happen too fast for some places that peeps have their coins in for them to function in an orderly manner, plus the big company may anticipate all this & go all in before their announcement then it will be instant or slow accumulation then instant, depends on how urgent they wish to announce

I wonder too if he could build a time lock in to it, that'd be cool & an all in one solution, may have a big demand for many purposes - could be one of Bitcoin's undiscovered super uses & appeal to HNW individuals, say like rock starts or sport's ones or celebs that are cashing it in atm but it all may end fast & they also have youthful costly bad habits that they wish to hedge against for their old age, 30s - 40s or more, something that was tinker proof because it had an auto destruct built in for if you tried to

edit: or for crims when they know that they're going down for a long stretch or needed plausible deny-ability to pass a lie detector test to say that they no longer retained any control of those ill-gotten funds, peeps wishing to set up bigger charitable foundations than they can afford as yet, lock it in for a couple of centuries & voila your BitNobel prizes are good to go, or for when you're about to tie the knot with that half your age stripper in Las Vegas/Pattaya & if it lasts more than 5 months/years your stashed wealth reappears - this should probably be done at the first stage of falling in love/lust with her/him (Hi Brucey) in any case

edit 2: or when you've just bought $85,000 worth of coins @ $4.80 to $5.00 & you don't want to risk being manipulated into selling or shorting with them for n days/w/m or years or better yet the armory would lock them down until they had reached a certain price, or with staggered release at set levels - both with if/or/& preferences, ie release 1,000 if/when the price gets to twice what you'd paid, say $9.65 - release 1,000 on 2015 01 01 - release 1,000 after the 2014 01 01 only if the price is over $8.50 - release some/all if the price falls/rises by x% - release some (or random amount) at random (settable random difficulty) for the lulz etc...

edited my reply in my last post above to add some tweaks

re OP, wait for a low volume lull where the price has been stuck for a while, preferably where your big buy would trigger a trend line break that many were watching & waiting to go all in on, like right this W/E for instance then what you don't need on Gox to do this with, place long at your max leverage on Bitkoinica (& tip your friends off to do the same) & then immediately pull the trigger, sell half the Bitkoinica gains & send them to Gox, buy more & try to cascade the price up maybe, drop me a PM first & I'll lend you a hand with it, I've growing a little bored with my IPO GOOGs

use armory, copy the private key for your stash, code it if it isn't already then set up a boomerang service email to yourself for the future date, do this with a couple of other services too & maybe a paper copy of the same with a lawyer that is irrefutable, destroy the original copy of the private key & voila an effective time safe

set up a secondary, third recipients to have access to your email account (eg, in your will - or by the above method but able to cancel) & to be told about this & how it works in case you have set the notification too far in to the future when you're not actually around any more

edit: I haven't looked in to if they offer an unchangeable future date service or if you would need to make an account which was non retrievable & then to destroy the user name & password (both 23 chars random generated from lastpass.com) to it after setting it up or something so that you were permanently locked out from it - lol it could make a good film script, imagine you going to different hypnotists to try & get those recalled after the gods of irony decide to make you have to change your mind about it

open letter sent to waves that I though I'd just post here as well...

hiya waves

the 2 trend lines seem to be due to converge early next week, unless there is break out action tonight or tomorrow, now this is probably voodoo to you - but you do do Elliot waves & stuff so maybe not, a few peeps perhaps may even be following/trading based on their interpretations of this (influenced by taking it into account), anyway it's that there is a really so called powerful & important astrological aspects next week, as in probably the most auspicious aspects in perhaps the whole year, anyway if you're still with me here & not sent me to the spam loony bin as yet then it's as follows:

Tuesday
Jupiter in Taurus trine Mercury in Capricorn (= v nice)

Wednesday
Venus in Taurus trine Pluto in Capricorn (long term nice)
Venus conjunction Jupiter in Taurus (totally Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious nice)
Venus trine Mars in Capricorn (FTW)
Mars in Virgo trine Jupiter (WTG)

Thursday
Mars in Virgo trine Pluto in Capricorn (GFI)

A triple, or also called grand trine in earth (elements, Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn)

I'll post this on your thread to see how much mockery & trolling I will get incoming, anyway just for fun & next week should be kinda awesome I expect - it would be a good week for some fun at any rate & may tickle the manipulator's fancies to come out & play

PS - if you look up at the night sky atm you can see the conjunction (getting close up together in the same part of the sky as viewed from spaceship Earth) of the brightest star, Venus & hugging it up, Jupiter (much bigger, but further away of course)

Cheers

Otoh