BTC : You can still withdraw up to 4,000.00000000 BTC provided you have enough on your account (your limit is 4,000.00000000 BTC per 24 hours ) USD : You can still withdraw up to $10,000.00000 provided you have enough on your account (your limit is $10,000.00000 per 24 hours and $50,000.00000 per 30 days) I guess the Bitcoinica funds had requested higher withdrawal limits than normal verified accounts, otherwise it would take 10 days to get the coins out & 4 days to drain the $s, or has this siphoning off being going on for a while. I assume that the $40k were sent to sock puppet accounts by Mt. Gox $ codes & then coins were bought & moved out, rather than being withdrawn in actual $s. Shout out to the hacker - Don't taint me bro! 1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8  |
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Beyond unbelievable! You just couldn't make this shit up (unless you actually did, did you?) - at least I couldn't anyway  |
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Just to report that I lent smart1985 300 BTC @ 8.56% per month for 60 days on 2012 05 15 & received back today 351.36 BTC, when I lent the bitcoin price was $4.96 & it is now $7.60 so an appreciation of 53% + on top of the 51.36 BTC interest, many thanks smart1985 I look forward to doing more business with you (I have 7 loans still running with him atm) - recommended!  Just one request, that the payout address (withdrawal address) was locked in when the deposit was made, or for the account as a whole & unchangeable except by some 2FA, a PIN on the site or manually by registering previously an email address & Skype address plus secret question or something for the site owner to personally confirm before allowing any change. |
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I'm getting no where so far with my Intersango team claim for 1,000 BTC that I lost due to Swaps being introduced on 2012 02 16 which unfairly & illegally changed the TOS under which I'd deposited & opened my positions & made my positions untenable at a time when you were still claiming to be & acting as "the founder & CEO of Bitcoinica" which is why I trusted you & not some secret, unknown, mysterious cabal of new owners/operators. On 13/2/12 when I held a long position with Bitcoinica of 5,000 BTC @ a base price of $5.8540 My margin deposit was 4,000 BTC + $3,002 = $22,665 & the forced liquidation (ZT) price was $2.915 With the current price of $7.50 my position would have been immensely in profit & was never in any danger of being force liquidated. Anyway, here's my claim again in public & I shall also enter it on your personal claims site for consideration: Hi Genjix, I submitted this claim to verify@bitcoinica.com on the 11th of June 2012, as yet I have had no response (except general auto ones), it is now nearly 1 month later & 4 months since Zhoutong agreed that Bitcoinica would issue me with a refund, I realize that you are very busy but I would very much appreciate a confirmation from you that who ever it is that owns Bitcoinica now & back then when this happened is going to honor Zhoutong's promise to make this refund & the approx time that it will take you to process this matter that pre-dates the final incident that ended up affecting so many others. Many thanks, Forum & Bitcoinica ID: Otoh On 13/2/12 I held a long position with Bitcoinica of 5,000 BTC @ a base price of $5.8540 My margin deposit was 4,000 BTC + $3,002 = $22,665 & the forced liquidation (ZT) price was $2.915 I entered in to this position in good faith under the terms & conditions as stated by Zhou Tong at the time & previously, I intended to hold this position for the very long term & even add more margin in order to the lower the already low ZT price, at the time Zhou Tong was posting in the forums with his ID still claiming to be the 'Founder & CEO of Bitcoinica' & purportedly acting as such. Then on 16/2/12 Swaps interest was introduced draining away my margin balance by changing the TOS under which it had been deposited & hence making my position long term untenable - I tried all I could to get out of this blatantly unfair situation & eventually seeing no alternative I liquidated the position for a loss of $4,842 which at the time was 1,000 BTC, note that my margin was by then all in dollars as was my loss. As I stated at the time on the Bitcoinica forum thread, which I will attach, to change the TOS under which money is deposited & positions opened without allowing customers to withdraw it all without any loss is both unfair & illegal so I would like to lodge a claim for full reimbursement of my funds that were retained by Bitcoinica due to this act, a total of $4,842 (or 1,000 BTC as you prefer). Zhou Tong has already agreed in his post & reply to me of 22/3/12 to refund the Swap's interest which was $456 of the $4,842 I look forward to your acknowledgement of this claim at your earliest convenience & restitution in full asap. Many thanks, Otoh a couple of days ago finally got out of the nightmare scenario of being trapped in a large high $5s base price long position on Bitcoinica which would have been fine as my ZT price was in the $2s originally & I was happy to wait long term & could have kept it at 1:1 leverage np, until that was he unilaterally decided to start taxing long positions with swap charges, to me this is just Bitcoin wild west no rules rule - I'm waiting to see if his stated registration goes through because once it does I intend to claim back that swap money just removed from my account by changing without notice the conditions under which it was deposited & making my position long term untenable so that I had to close it for a big loss as I believe this sort of action is totally illegitimate in any jurisdiction
anyone else who's suffered because of this pse to let me know & we can coordinate to recuperate this blatant rip off with damages also for overall position loss if it hadn't happened once we were locked in
it's so nice atm to finally be out of that & tomorrow off for a long weekend without having to follow every price movement & the feeling of having trusted way too much money to someone who just makes the rules up to suit themselves as they go along, honestly I was amazed to get anything back out at all in that scenario - never again!
We can offer a refund if you were charged any swap for a position that you established before the rule change provided there is no new positions established after that. By continue using our service, you have already signaled the acceptance of the new rule. Well this seems a good a time as any to claim your offer on this, yes I would like to be refunded for all swaps that I was charged on positions that I had before the rule change, you know what they are Secondly I do not accept that by trying to get out of my position means that I accept your arbitrary change in the terms of service under which I deposited money with you, it is illegal for you to do so, therefor I hold you personally responsible along with any partners & new owners for the full amount of the swaps charged to me plus having to then liquidate my untenable position that you put me in, total loss getting on for $5,000 I was waiting for your registration to go through before pursuing this & then left it for a while so you could recover from the Linox hack but now events show it needs to be dealt with asap, so kindly confirm that you will stand by your word & refund what I have lost due to your actions Many thanks, karma as I'm sure you are appreciating doesn't go away, it comes around & stronger each time until a just restitution is made, your call yesterday I received this reply from ZT by PM which I'm sure he won't mind me quoting here: You need to contact Bitcoinica Consultancy for this, and make sure you outline all the losses you incurred.
I started the swap system under Bitcoinica LP's approval and I was a full power representative at that time. However I did not have financial incentive - I can't touch a single cent of your swap money.
OK, now I need to think about this & how to proceed, I don't actually really even understand it, any helpful input would be welcome, many thanks ZT for responding, so it seems though that Bitcoin Consultancy which I now guess is called Bitcoinica Consultancy were not the owners & operators until after Zhou Tong's promise of the 22nd March 2012 to refund for swaps, but that he had already secretly sold Bitcoinica = Bitcoinica LP to T. Seale's investment group & was at that time effectively an employee of them "Bitcoin Consultancy was first retained to perform a comprehensive security audit on March 27 and they became owners and operators of Bitcoinica LP on April 24. As General Partner, they have exclusive legal authority to manage the company." - Quoted from tseale speaking for the investment group that took over from ZT I believe that when they take over the company, they should continue the unresolved disputes with customers. I designed the system because someone asked me to, and I gave the promise on behalf of the company because I had power to do so and it's consistent with Bitcoinica's usual dispute resolution attitudes. If the amount is not large, I think they will honor. Otherwise you may need to explain very carefully to make it reasonable. Many thanks, I shall explain it very carefully & reasonably, my previous posts & screen shots show how much I lost due to the T&C under which I had deposited money & opened positions with Bitcoinica being changed without notice to then make those same positions untenable, I have filled a claim for a token holding on the Bitcoinica site which I assume would be the first steps in establishing that my ID, email, password, etc is unaffected by the latest events - I appreciate your open & honorable manner of dealing with this & sincerely hope that those who asked you to implement the changes that caused me this unfair loss also recognize their responsibility to put this right, respect your promise at the time on their behalf to do so & that we can reach a fair & just conclusion here. |
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Nice move (I couldn't play myself, since I'm at the 50BTC max) Oooo, I didn't think of that, I'm over by lots so maybe my entry doesn't count - on the other hand someone asked me for a testimonial on Vescu by PM yesterday & I highly recommended him so maybe good karma. |
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But what if "trusted" person sends to fake person #1 then to fake person#2 then fake person #3. How do you link back to the real scammer? You will be going after 3 people who dont exist.
This should be pretty obvious. Say nobody pays up... it all goes back to Garr255 for trusting the wrong dude.
And yes, if I send it like this: Me -> someoneItrust -> knownsock -> knownsock then I will have to take the blame. If it goes like this: Me -> someoneItrust -> someoneTheytrust -> knownsock 1 -> knownsock 2 then "someoneTheytrust" is at fault Me -> my sock puppet 1 -> my sock puppet 2 I don't quite follow this, if sock puppet 2 defaults then wouldn't sock puppet 1 be the one on the line & Me in the clear? This could be solved if so by passing the responsibility back up the line, if SP2 fails to pass on the coins then SP1 is liable, but if SP1 also fails to reimburse the OP then Me is liable. |
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hey imsa or payb.tc, trust in me  trusssssst...  1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 |
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lol
Al the Alpaca added 0.0011 BTC
rkj added 0.0005 BTC
NothinG added 0.0095
PatrickHarnett taxed 0.0101
fatigue added 0.013 BTC
adamstgBit taxed 0.005
Gladamas added 0.0315
phantitox taxed 0.0395
Otoh added 0.01010101
[Tycho] added 1.07801714
Scott J added 0.0188185
honest bob added 0.0001337
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Hey URSAY you call THAT jizz face? THIS is a JIZZ FACE! NSFWFTFY |
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Updated to the newest version, but guys please add yourself to the list in future. Anyone below a full member please refrain from doing so. Note, it's better to quote this list/post & add yourself rather than C&P as that loses the posts # links 1)Garr255 - 189JHV6KPzvnPmjYCGPbvMMmZUWppere7h #22)the joint - 17EVRSvdPJGhk7uKHCpY9ghnWnx7j3pPAs #33)sadpandatech - 13YmfB6TeLzyCdnwsVZ5MdYVCLnfm5eNGF #44)nimda - 1KiZGitw2zEr4uPzZsT7dh7F6e5yoKGvE7 #55)Al the Alpaca - 1EWRJ5BeibZxMguujPLzqM8WWiHpFJtLLx #66)pirateat40 - 1CR5BadHQt8wd4t98mE4rw9hUfSGQ4ZGDg #197)rjk - 17qypELtTKqr716m937wLWbapnFG6i4fyZ #208)NothinG - 1BjMLLGrwYk3hrcnSqEUEeGchkx9tiykfY #219)PatrickHarnett - 1KwECAhJGr8BPGgn6mezf5Z3jT7vG1HaAZ #2710)pekv2 - 12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9 #3211)unclemantis - 12kM9BocNb5zSG7RMKp9wPxopK5NpayrMZ #3412)mb300sd - 1HVmv5EtQZtcsFfXe6Crz972BrB1MwsNCM #3913)rudrigorc2 - 1MSPwixhqiwMLXxw3WXtNjg2nst6qVWhCX #4414)Brunic - 16Hz2xA4NmAp4CU3Mr9aJy8H9D5XqXupHG #4915)fatigue - 1Fj4QZbavJeKfagjDqUPFqQ4iJ4bHqFAMG #5216)Phraust - 15UJrPbxd6ULPJaxASUoWUp6xc473T7mww #8817)adamstgBit - 15nutdfqcS38hXdZoL7LNz5wBt8Aq4wCUT #8918)bluefirecorp - 1PsQ8qFp6ZY94gXvFLP4cqcmoLQSDCqLJc #9019)Drakahn - 1C1UMHsdPxgsWGWBhdaTC47kibJjFgWnhb #9120)Gladamas - 1FVySmZNZ6LUvz1mKkt9zgRWjBzvkM4Roh #9221)phantitox - 1GtGFJskG47Q6Q1NFsfMLWfNV9ivabbyab #9322)John (johnthedong) - 1Cm2ymVqiHA42jv31rtyze684oWTDkreza (instawallet addy, DON't REUSE) #9823)Keefe - 1BZy1xxwcxQyRZErcYUFke72TSU7cV5Ptf #10724)Otoh - 1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 #110 25)[Tycho] - 1VayNert3x1KzbpzMGt2qdqrAThiRovi8 (please provide TX hash when sending) ( tx) #75 26)Dalkore - 12SSYCcvaHadm8Myxb3mUTzyv96VNhyzeZ #67 27)payb.tc - 14no5MUE4ur2gyyEE3BHpHhV82gKm8NLbH #133 28)damnek - 17xbiU6EWdaf74rmwxPv9AQZc1MeKMWh5n #115 29)Tril - 1Xgeo7EQgrk22paxmKVrhNVSmauczL6EE #11730)Scott J - 18UVSvCAb6QGjPSdiXxveeu56ujmu3kTt4 #11831)honest bob - 14x3n2ntSAGN4gGvGoLhi6NbUuuoWwvfdL #14032)giszmo - 1KLYFWyv5aeci2PwJQs9aTRN1JRzDDL96o #143- has the coin(s) 33)arklan - 1F4j4Lha8BjL4wxwFVbGaQwMJ4Kd1brfXb #14534)dooglus - 1BooBz2AEwUd6JepB7NhNsnAe58Q6obpcu #15935)riX - 155gBnpiBQcpnP6coTX6V7znSK3G73uNjK #160... 101) Return to Sender - 18dktRf1EYbyaYTkSSZJiacBmCemxwWdqm #1 |
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As he handles withdrawals manually, thank goodness & also any changes of withdrawal addresses manually as that can't be done on his site I was pleased to see from when the original passwords were just the deposit addresses, then a simple 2FA that would work for everyone who requested it would be a 4 number PIN that can be set one time on the site (or PM maybe) & is irrevocable except by email confirmation (per-arranged email address) & Skype interrogation re: account history, balance, RL name if previously given, secret question, whatever, etc & there should be a scaled fee for one loosing/forgetting one's PIN to mitigate the hassle - say 2% of balance on the account.
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Someone else that I lent to recently I asked them to never change my withdrawal address without first checking with me via either email or Skype, I must get around to setting this up with Bitcoin Max too, I don't save a copy of the PM with my contact info on it either.
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Weekly coupon payment paid.
Because of the delay in payment I paid bondholders 112% this week. Thank you for your patience!
Many thanks, btw I PM'D you yesterday when you have a moment, no rush & also I see that I misunderstood the part that I quoted from the OP in my PM so please to ignore my question about that bit. |
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For prosperity purposes, if would be nice to view the animation of the entire ordeal, showing times and places on a globe.
Along with showing the whole process reversed, but not played backwards, as I mentioned earlier. Send the coin back down the line in the exact opposite order.
~Bruno~
Step 1: add yourselves to this map for locations if you like, or make a new one that's just dedicated to this game/experiment perhaps? |
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I've updated it to the newest version, but guys please add yourself to the list in future.
Anyone below a full member please refrain from doing so.
1)Garr255 - 189JHV6KPzvnPmjYCGPbvMMmZUWppere7h #22)the joint - 17EVRSvdPJGhk7uKHCpY9ghnWnx7j3pPAs #33)sadpandatech - 13YmfB6TeLzyCdnwsVZ5MdYVCLnfm5eNGF #44)nimda - 1KiZGitw2zEr4uPzZsT7dh7F6e5yoKGvE7 #55)Al the Alpaca - 1EWRJ5BeibZxMguujPLzqM8WWiHpFJtLLx #66)pirateat40 - 1CR5BadHQt8wd4t98mE4rw9hUfSGQ4ZGDg #197)rjk - 17qypELtTKqr716m937wLWbapnFG6i4fyZ #208)NothinG - 1BjMLLGrwYk3hrcnSqEUEeGchkx9tiykfY #219)PatrickHarnett - 1KwECAhJGr8BPGgn6mezf5Z3jT7vG1HaAZ #2710)pekv2 - 12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9 #3211)unclemantis - 12kM9BocNb5zSG7RMKp9wPxopK5NpayrMZ #3412)mb300sd - 1HVmv5EtQZtcsFfXe6Crz972BrB1MwsNCM #3913)rudrigorc2 - 1MSPwixhqiwMLXxw3WXtNjg2nst6qVWhCX #4414)Brunic - 16Hz2xA4NmAp4CU3Mr9aJy8H9D5XqXupHG #4915)fatigue - 1Fj4QZbavJeKfagjDqUPFqQ4iJ4bHqFAMG #5216)Phraust - 15UJrPbxd6ULPJaxASUoWUp6xc473T7mww #8817)adamstgBit - 15nutdfqcS38hXdZoL7LNz5wBt8Aq4wCUT #8918)bluefirecorp - 1PsQ8qFp6ZY94gXvFLP4cqcmoLQSDCqLJc #9019)Drakahn - 1C1UMHsdPxgsWGWBhdaTC47kibJjFgWnhb #9120)Gladamas - 1FVySmZNZ6LUvz1mKkt9zgRWjBzvkM4Roh #9221)phantitox - 1GtGFJskG47Q6Q1NFsfMLWfNV9ivabbyab #9322)John (johnthedong) - 1Cm2ymVqiHA42jv31rtyze684oWTDkreza (instawallet addy, DON't REUSE) #9823)Keefe - 1BZy1xxwcxQyRZErcYUFke72TSU7cV5Ptf #10724)Otoh - 1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 #110 25)[Tycho] - 1VayNert3x1KzbpzMGt2qdqrAThiRovi8 (please provide TX hash when sending) ( tx) #75 - Has the coin 26)Dalkore - 12SSYCcvaHadm8Myxb3mUTzyv96VNhyzeZ #6727)payb.tc - 14no5MUE4ur2gyyEE3BHpHhV82gKm8NLbH #13328)damnek - 17xbiU6EWdaf74rmwxPv9AQZc1MeKMWh5n #11529)Tril - 1Xgeo7EQgrk22paxmKVrhNVSmauczL6EE #11730)Scott J - 18UVSvCAb6QGjPSdiXxveeu56ujmu3kTt4 #11831)honest bob - 14x3n2ntSAGN4gGvGoLhi6NbUuuoWwvfdL #14032)giszmo - 1KLYFWyv5aeci2PwJQs9aTRN1JRzDDL96o #14333)arklan - 1F4j4Lha8BjL4wxwFVbGaQwMJ4Kd1brfXb #14534)dooglus - 1BooBz2AEwUd6JepB7NhNsnAe58Q6obpcu #15935)riX - 155gBnpiBQcpnP6coTX6V7znSK3G73uNjK #160... 101) Return to Sender - 18dktRf1EYbyaYTkSSZJiacBmCemxwWdqm #1Note, it's better to quote this list/post & add yourself rather than C&P as that loses the posts # links |
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1)Garr255 - 189JHV6KPzvnPmjYCGPbvMMmZUWppere7h 2)the joint - 17EVRSvdPJGhk7uKHCpY9ghnWnx7j3pPAs 3)sadpandatech - 13YmfB6TeLzyCdnwsVZ5MdYVCLnfm5eNGF 4)nimda - 1KiZGitw2zEr4uPzZsT7dh7F6e5yoKGvE7 5)Al the Alpaca - 1EWRJ5BeibZxMguujPLzqM8WWiHpFJtLLx 6)pirateat40 - 1CR5BadHQt8wd4t98mE4rw9hUfSGQ4ZGDg 7)rjk - 17qypELtTKqr716m937wLWbapnFG6i4fyZ 8)NothinG - 1BjMLLGrwYk3hrcnSqEUEeGchkx9tiykfY 9)PatrickHarnett - 1KwECAhJGr8BPGgn6mezf5Z3jT7vG1HaAZ 10)pekv2 - 12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9 11)unclemantis - 12kM9BocNb5zSG7RMKp9wPxopK5NpayrMZ 12)mb300sd - 1HVmv5EtQZtcsFfXe6Crz972BrB1MwsNCM 13)rudrigorc2 - 1MSPwixhqiwMLXxw3WXtNjg2nst6qVWhCX 14)Brunic - 16Hz2xA4NmAp4CU3Mr9aJy8H9D5XqXupHG 15)fatigue - 1Fj4QZbavJeKfagjDqUPFqQ4iJ4bHqFAMG 16)Phraust - 15UJrPbxd6ULPJaxASUoWUp6xc473T7mww 17)adamstgBit - 15nutdfqcS38hXdZoL7LNz5wBt8Aq4wCUT 18)bluefirecorp - 1PsQ8qFp6ZY94gXvFLP4cqcmoLQSDCqLJc 19)Drakahn - 1C1UMHsdPxgsWGWBhdaTC47kibJjFgWnhb 20)Gladamas - 1FVySmZNZ6LUvz1mKkt9zgRWjBzvkM4Roh 21)phantitox - 1GtGFJskG47Q6Q1NFsfMLWfNV9ivabbyab 22)John (johnthedong) - 1Cm2ymVqiHA42jv31rtyze684oWTDkreza (instawallet addy, DON't REUSE) 23)Keefe - 1BZy1xxwcxQyRZErcYUFke72TSU7cV5Ptf 24)Otoh - 1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 25)[Tycho] - 1VayNert3x1KzbpzMGt2qdqrAThiRovi8 (please provide TX hash when sending) - Has the coin 26)Dalkore - 12SSYCcvaHadm8Myxb3mUTzyv96VNhyzeZ 27)payb.tc - 14no5MUE4ur2gyyEE3BHpHhV82gKm8NLbH 28)damnek - 17xbiU6EWdaf74rmwxPv9AQZc1MeKMWh5n 29)Tril - 1Xgeo7EQgrk22paxmKVrhNVSmauczL6EE 30)Scott J - 18UVSvCAb6QGjPSdiXxveeu56ujmu3kTt4 31)honest bob - 14x3n2ntSAGN4gGvGoLhi6NbUuuoWwvfdL 32)giszmo - 1KLYFWyv5aeci2PwJQs9aTRN1JRzDDL96o 33)arklan - 1F4j4Lha8BjL4wxwFVbGaQwMJ4Kd1brfXb ... 101) Return to Sender - 18dktRf1EYbyaYTkSSZJiacBmCemxwWdqm https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12054317/5b1a2b55d0b8934a373c9456ea8a2598f8636af318c5ba22030b058714169591 |
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I strongly suggest all the uber geeks to get uber bullish on Bitcoin. Pronto!
Yea, yea, I know, I've been telling this non stop to everyone for 18 month now.
But do not tell me later that I did not warn ya.
no, I did not mean this little push to 7$. good call  Vlad the insider |
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